When I was little
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my mother made me join a catholic cell group and when we prayed I would listen to the sound of silence
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And what is it like?Originally posted by Cenarious:my mother made me join a catholic cell group and when we prayed I would listen to the sound of silence
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Gd nite guys
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all it did was make me wait quietly for God and i waited attentively in the Now.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:And what is it like?
Anyway your mom is a catholic?
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den u hear someone fart.
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Gd niteOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:Gd nite guys 
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I see. If you truly heard the sound of silence, then you have realised what young Toyo realised, the soundless sound.Originally posted by Cenarious:all it did was make me wait quietly for God and i waited attentively in the Now.
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elaborate plzOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:I see. If you truly heard the sound of silence, then you have realised what young Toyo realised, the soundless sound. -
The story goes:Originally posted by Cenarious:elaborate plz21. The Sound of One Hand
Explanation:
The master of Kennin temple was Mokurai, Silent Thunder. He had a little protege named Toyo who was only twelve years old. Toyo saw the older disciples visit the master's room each morning and evening to receive instruction in sanzen or personal guidance in which they were given koans to stop mind-wandering.
Toyo wished to do sanzen also.
"Wait a while," said Mokurai. "You are too young."
But the child insisted, so the teacher finally consented.
In the evening little Toyo went at the proper time to the threshold of Mokurai's sanzen room. He struck the gong to announce his presence, bowed respectfully three times outside the door, and went to sit before the master in respectful silence.
"You can hear the sound of two hands when they clap together," said Mokurai. "Now show me the sound of one hand."
Toyo bowed and went to his room to consider this problem. From his window he could hear the music of the geishas. "Ah, I have it!" he proclaimed.
The next evening, when his teacher asked him to illustrate the sound of one hand, Toyo began to play the music of the geishas.
"No, no," said Mokurai. "That will never do. That is not the sound of one hand. You've not got it at all."
Thinking that such music might interrupt, Toyo moved his abode to a quiet place. He meditated again. "What can the sound of one hand be?" He happened to hear some water dripping. "I have it," imagined Toyo.
When he next appeared before his teacher, Toyo imitated dripping water.
"What is that?" asked Mokurai. "That is the sound of dripping water, but not the sound of one hand. Try again."
In vain Toyo meditated to hear the sound of one hand. He heard the sighing of the wind. But the sound was rejected.
He heard the cry of an owl. This also was refused.
The sound of one hand was not the locusts.
For more than ten times Toyo visited Mokurai with different sounds. All were wrong. For almost a year he pondered what the sound of one hand might be.
At last little Toyo entered true meditation and transcended all sounds. "I could collect no more," he explained later, "so I reached the soundless sound."
Toyo had realized the sound of one hand.
The Essential Gateway to Truth by Means of Instantaneous Awakening
7.Q: When there are sounds, hearing occurs. When there are no sounds, does hearing persist or not?
A: It does.
Q: When there are sounds it follows that we hear them, but how can hearing take place during the absence of sound?
A: We are now talking of that hearing which is independent of there being any sound or not. How can that be? The nature of hearing being eternal, we continue to hear whether sounds are present or not.
Q: if that is so, who or what is the hearer?
A: It is your own nature, which hears, and it is the inner cognizer who knows. -
does that mean there is a soul?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Explanation:
The Essential Gateway to Truth by Means of Instantaneous Awakening
7.Q: When there are sounds, hearing occurs. When there are no sounds, does hearing persist or not?
A: It does.
Q: When there are sounds it follows that we hear them, but how can hearing take place during the absence of sound?
A: We are now talking of that hearing which is independent of there being any sound or not. How can that be? The nature of hearing being eternal, we continue to hear whether sounds are present or not.
Q: if that is so, who or what is the hearer?
A: It is your own nature, which hears, and it is the inner cognizer who knows. -
Not soul. It means our luminous nature cannot be lost.Originally posted by Cenarious:does that mean there is a soul? -
luminous nature is that a universal soul?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Not soul. It means our luminous nature cannot be lost. -
Not 'soul', but the nature of clarity and knowingness, 'awareness'.Originally posted by Cenarious:luminous nature is that a universal soul? -
an attribute of the universe?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Not 'soul', but the nature of clarity and knowingness, 'awareness'. -
Clarity (Tib. selwa) also translated as luminosity. The nature of mind is that it is empty of inherent existence, but the mind is not just void-ness, completely empty because it has this clarity, which is awareness or the knowing of mind. So clarity is a characteristic of emptiness (shunyata) of mind.
Luminosity (Tib. selwa) In the third turning everything is void, but this void-ness is not completely empty because it has luminosity. Luminosity or clarity allows all phenomena to appear and is a characteristic of emptiness (Skt. shunyata).