All stories are told by the mind
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yes that's root of our unhappiness.The Buddha's advice is that we should be free from these distractions if we want to experience bliss This release must however be obtained by our own effort and come from within ourselves We cannot gain salvation from a god or the Buddha or from heaven We cannot get ultimate freedom through external agents Supernatural beings cannot help us to gain wisdom and final liberation no matter how much we worship them or praise them through penances. charms. mantras incantations and invocations and animal sacrifices. 'We are the results of what we were and we will be the results of what we are." Actions condition our happiness or unhappiness and finally secure our salvation Salvation or deliverance is an individual affair. just as each human being has to eat drink and digest and sleep for himselfOriginally posted by path_seeker:All actions sourced from one's thought, which is rooted in our mind. We think, we thought, we perceived, our emotions, is all controled by this place in our skull. Without it, we will be a walking zombies. With it, we could move towards anywhere between the plane of good and evil.
Everytime we do something, our mind form impressions, and that impression could lead us to our next action, maybe an argument with the person infront of you, or a hug with the person sitting next to you.
Taming the mind is like restraining an wild horse. You can supress this thought and another arises. We are so used to not letting our brain rest, when u really want to go into a thoughtless stage, your head just couldn't get use to it.
Understanding your mind doesn't make you soulless, but rather, makes you mindful of what you are, and where you are.
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Originally posted by _wanderer_:
if we dont differentiate good and bad virtuous and not virtuous jail or not jail death sentence and not death sentence guilt and not guilt sad and happy then what does it matter that we kill babies for fun
However, having embraced this View of Emptiness, as what Longchen said, we should not think that we don't need to care about performing virtuous or nonvirtuous actions, because for us the unenlightened beings, we're still bound by karma. So though aware of the "lack of an inherent truly existing nature" of virtues and nonvirtues, we should still try to adopt virtuous behaviour and abandon nonvirtuous behaviour. -
i canOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:The ability to control thoughts is very limited especially for non-meditators. For example sometimes a song gets caught in your head, can you control it and stop it from arising again? It can even be quite frustrating. But on a higher level of practise, effort is not needed to 'control thoughts'. -
You can temporarily suppress it but it may return. It very much depends on your level of samadhi.Originally posted by Cenarious:i can -
u sureOriginally posted by Cenarious:i can
wana hav a test
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i can stop it foreverOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:You can temporarily suppress it but it may return. It very much depends on your level of samadhi. -
howOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:u sure
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That is not quite possible, even if you can reach Buddha Boy's level of samadhi you still may not fully be able to control your thoughts.Originally posted by Cenarious:i can stop it forever -
well let see...ok if i'm correct u'r a student rite?Originally posted by Cenarious:how -
yesOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:well let see...ok if i'm correct u'r a student rite? -
so says youOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:That is not quite possible, even if you can reach Buddha Boy's level of samadhi you still may not fully be able to control your thoughts. -
ok...so how do u go to sch everydayOriginally posted by Cenarious:yes
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busOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:ok...so how do u go to sch everyday -
You will still suffer unless you are an arhant or a bodhisattva or a Buddha. Meaning it is impossible for you to stop discriminating completely and you will suffer the consequences. An an arhant and a bodhisattva and a buddha cannot possibly 'kill babies for fun'. If you see the entire 'Kosmos' as yourself (nonduality), will you have fun killing yourself? That is only for mentally unsound people, and mentally unsound people cannot stop their discrimination and suffering, and that is why they are unsound.Originally posted by Cenarious:if we dont differentiate good and bad virtuous and not virtuous jail or not jail death sentence and not death sentence guilt and not guilt sad and happy then what does it matter that we kill babies for fun
Furthermore there must be compassion. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=75842859
On the right hand panel, play the second video from the top. Be patient and watch the whole thing. I think he said it very well. First video is also quite good but is on a different subject. -
Go ask those practitioner yourself.Originally posted by Cenarious:so says you
You think you can control your thoughts, but it is just that you are not aware enough. If you were aware enough, you would know even in deep meditative states, thoughts still arise. -
i see. so what are u thinking through out ur everyday journeyOriginally posted by Cenarious:bus -
Yes Longchen,Originally posted by longchen:Awareness is not behind the mind. The mystics who describe this thinks that there is an observer(self) watching the mind(thoughts)... This is I AM. I also thought so too in the past... until Thusness probed me to re-investigate the dynamics in deep meditation again.
Truth is, there is no observer. Awareness and knowingness is in-built in Mind. There is no division...
my 2 cents
With "I", knowing is always conceptual and thought bound. When we realised that there is really no one there from beginning, knowingness is one clear Presence that is really everything.
Spiritual journey begins when one first experienced the pure sense of existence. However when we are unable to fully understand the experience and the implication of dependent origination, we misinterpreted the experience as the “I AM”. The rest of our journey is the unfolding and the further refinement of our understanding of this “I AM”. It will take many years of practice and right conditions for one to come to this realization that the ‘I AM” is really a mistaken identity. In fact it is the ultimate block that prevents us from knowing our true nature.
When ‘I’ persists, reality is thought-like and conceptual. When the 'I' subsides, everything is realised as the one Reality. There is no crystal clear mirror reflecting anything, the manifestation itself is sufficient. Sinking back ito an 'I', to a 'Witness' is problem of all problems. All along the clear mirror doesn't exist, all along there is just one hand clapping, there second hand doesn’t exist.
Do put in all effort into mastering the art of letting go. If we can let go of the body, it will help lessen our thought. Let the body and thought die of their own nature…just let go until a deep tranquil calm arise. This ‘tranquil calmness’ is the ‘strength’ for the sustained experience of total transparency.
Happy Journey.
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thoughts arise but they do not stain me, and if i dont want a particular thought to arise then it wont ariseOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Go ask those practitioner yourself.
You think you can control your thoughts, but it is just that you are not aware enough. If you were aware enough, you would know even in deep meditative states, thoughts still arise. -
thnks very enlighteningOriginally posted by Thusness:Yes Longchen,
With "I", knowing is always conceptual and thought bound. When we realised that there is really no one there from beginning, knowingness is one clear Presence that is really everything.
Spiritual journey begins when one first experienced the pure sense of existence. However when we are unable to fully understand the experience and the implication of dependent origination, we misinterpreted the experience as the “I AM”. The rest of our journey is the unfolding and the further refinement of our understanding of this “I AM”. It will take many years of practice and right conditions for one to come to this realization that the ‘I AM” is really a mistaken identity. In fact it is the ultimate block that prevents us from knowing our true nature.
When ‘I’ persists, reality is thought-like and conceptual. When the 'I' subsides, everything is realised as the one Reality. There is no crystal clear mirror reflecting anything, the manifestation itself is sufficient. Sinking back ito an 'I', to a 'Witness' is problem of all problems. All along the clear mirror doesn't exist, all along there is just one hand clapping, there second hand doesn’t exist.
Do put in all effort into mastering the art of letting go. If we can let go of the body, it will help lessen our thought. Let the body and thought die of their own nature…just let go until a deep tranquil calm arise. This ‘tranquil calmness’ is the ‘strength’ for the sustained experience of total transparency.
Happy Journey. -
im having my school vacation now, and i only learned how to control it during this vacationOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:i see. so what are u thinking through out ur everyday journey -
i see so what r u doing the whole of today ?Originally posted by Cenarious:im having my school vacation now, and i only learned how to control it during this vacation -
--------------Originally posted by An Eternal Now:You will still suffer unless you are an arhant or a bodhisattva or a Buddha. Meaning it is impossible for you to stop discriminating completely and you will suffer the consequences. An an arhant and a bodhisattva and a buddha cannot possibly 'kill babies for fun'. If you see the entire 'Kosmos' as yourself (nonduality), will you have fun killing yourself? That is only for mentally unsound people, and mentally unsound people cannot stop their discrimination and suffering, and that is why they are unsound.
Furthermore there must be compassion. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=75842859
On the right hand panel, play the second video from the top. Be patient and watch the whole thing. I think he said it very well. First video is also quite good but is on a different subject.
More:"I was walking to work, alongside the Sengawa river, just like every day, when in an instant I got it. Every damned thing I'd ever read in a Buddhist book was confirmed that day. The Universe was me and I was the Universe. I looked up at the sky and it was exactly like looking at a mirror. I don't mean that metaphorically either. You know the feeling of recognition you get when you look in a mirror? That's me, you say. Well I got that feeling no matter where I looked. There was no doubt that this state was true. I had no need to confirm it with anyone. And this state has stayed with me ever since then. Even if I want to put it down I can't. Sometimes it's painful. You know those assholes that rammed those planes into the World Trade Center? That was me. The people that died in the collapse. Me again. I don't mean I identify with them or sympathize with them. I mean I am them. It's impossible to explain, but this isn't a figure of speech or bad poetry. I mean it absolutely literally.
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"But the Universe is soooooo much bigger than any of that. The sky is me, and the stars too, chirping crickets and the songs they make, sparkling rivers, snow and rain, distant solar systems and whoever may live there, it's all me. And it's all you, too." - Brad Warner, author of Hardcore ZenAnother topic, Interesting site about stages of progress
So now you know why it's virtually impossible for enlightened people to enjoy sadistic fun.
....All the myriad phenomena before his eyes-the old and the young, the honorable and the base, halls and pavilions, verandahs and corridors, plants and trees, mountains and rivers-he regards as his own original, true, and pure aspect. It is just like looking into a bright mirror and seeing his own face in it. If he continues for a long time to observe everything everywhere with this radiant insight, all appearances of themselves become the jeweled mirror of his own house, and he becomes the jeweled mirror of their houses as well. Dogen Zenji has said: "The experiencing of the manifold dharmas through using oneself is delusion; the experiencing of oneself through the coming of the manifold dharmas is Satori.".... -
first i went to see doctor, then my mother took me to a facialOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:i see so what r u doing the whole of today ? -
Hi Thusness,Originally posted by Thusness:Yes Longchen,
With "I", knowing is always conceptual and thought bound. When we realised that there is really no one there from beginning, knowingness is one clear Presence that is really everything.
Spiritual journey begins when one first experienced the pure sense of existence. However when we are unable to fully understand the experience and the implication of dependent origination, we misinterpreted the experience as the “I AM”. The rest of our journey is the unfolding and the further refinement of our understanding of this “I AM”. It will take many years of practice and right conditions for one to come to this realization that the ‘I AM” is really a mistaken identity. In fact it is the ultimate block that prevents us from knowing our true nature.
When ‘I’ persists, reality is thought-like and conceptual. When the 'I' subsides, everything is realised as the one Reality. There is no crystal clear mirror reflecting anything, the manifestation itself is sufficient. Sinking back ito an 'I', to a 'Witness' is problem of all problems. All along the clear mirror doesn't exist, all along there is just one hand clapping, there second hand doesn’t exist.
Do put in all effort into mastering the art of letting go. If we can let go of the body, it will help lessen our thought. Let the body and thought die of their own nature…just let go until a deep tranquil calm arise. This ‘tranquil calmness’ is the ‘strength’ for the sustained experience of total transparency.
Happy Journey.
Thanks again -
wow so goodOriginally posted by Cenarious:first i went to see doctor, then my mother took me to a facial
ok maybe u can start tmr.So tmr stop having any thought be mindful and stay full awareness.See and observe for yourself and check how long can you be mindful of every present moment.
so tmr when you r walking,you walk when you r eating u eat Don't think about something else, thus ignoring the current moment
And yes even thinking of not having a thought is a thought