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it means i accept God into my heart truthfully. or in other words, accept jesus as your personal saviour (and your sins are forgiven, in which case you can now put down your past and be at ease)Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Ok. So what do you mean by 'you have God'? You don't own God right? You need to phrase properly.
I'm not saying you don't understand. Mindfulness is like 'experiencing' clarity in all manifestation, yet no 'experiencer'. By surrendering one will eventually experience that clarity, but why not experience it now. Buddha is more clear on the mindfulness aspect.
'Surrendering' is like surrendering to divine happening, seeings things as happening by divine will, and therefore not becoming attached. One has surrendered to what is. When there is no attachment, then one will also experience clarity. I don't know how much they know about mindfulness so I will not comment further.
divine will? i thought that was only found in christianity. -
1st part: Accept Jesus as savior merely as a belief is not enough. Belief can merely be a "thought form". One can merely belief and continue his ways of sinning. There are so many Christians who supposedly accepted Christ but are they enlightened and liberated? How many have as you mentioned earlier "experienced what JonLS experienced"? In Christianity, one must be 'born of spirit'. What is that? Casino_King can tell you.Originally posted by Cenarious:it means i accept God into my heart truthfully. or in other words, accept jesus as your personal saviour (and your sins are forgiven, in which case you can now put down your past and be at ease)
divine will? i thought that was only found in christianity.
From Is God A Thing?
2nd part: yes I am speaking in context of Christianity.Originally posted by casino_king:GOD is Spirit according to the Bible. What is spirit, you might say? I can only speak based on my own relationship with God and I tell you that I have no wish to define God for you or anybody because as far as I am concern, GOD is beyond's any man's comprehension and you only communicate and have a relationship / be aware of God in your own life.
How a man ends up being aware and have a relationship with God is by being "born of the spirit." I certainly know that I was born again. When you are born again, "angels" and "heaven" and your whole being rejoices.
It is not much different then when a baby is born, except that this is personal. You are the one that rejoices with the "heavenly beings."
I put them all in " " because you might have a different understanding of those words in " " that I used.
Many Christians here cannot accept what I say, even though it was Jesus who said, "You must be Born Again" and "You must be born of the Spirit" and insists that it is simply "believe, have faith" and not a "new birth" in you (the other school hope that as long as you believe you then assume you have new birth
) As if you need to hope and not know something so obvious as a new birth in yourself.
I believe that Enlightenment has the same effect. If you are Enlightened please tell me what it is like. -
ya, i know.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:1st part: Accept Jesus as savior merely as a belief is not enough. One can merely belief and continue his ways of sinning. In Christianity, one must be 'born of spirit'. What is that? Casino_King can tell you. -
to seek anything more than presence and free of suffering is to massage your ego. buddhists also apply to the how many are enlightened thing.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:There are so many Christians who supposedly accepted Christ but are they enlightened and liberated? How many have as you mentioned earlier "experienced what JonLS experienced"?
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Yes so my point is belief is not enough.Originally posted by Cenarious:to seek anything more than presence and free of suffering is to massage your ego. buddhists also apply to the how many are enlightened thing.
And of course one should seek liberation above all else. If one can seek liberation above all else, all other mundane things, one will be liberated quickly. (but do NOT have any expectations of liberation or whatever you want out of practise) -
hey AEN, thanks for explaining that part out.. now i sort of understood what i experienced.. and i also have a long way to go too.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I am not sure whether this is what you experience... But at some point if you are mindful and the mind is free from thoughts, the dualistic bond that creates an impression of separation, 'you' and 'the world' dissolve. Suddenly it doesn't feel like you are here, looking at the world out there. Instead, you feel like you BECOME the looking, you are the universe, you are the tree, you are the seeing and the seen. Another way of putting it.. It is not you who sees, the universe self-sees. Things become vivid and clear, there is clarity in it, and you are that... The mountains and the universe is closer than your skin. When this happened to me, there is also a blissful 'energy' arising, like in meditative jhanas. But anyway that is not enlightenment, because it is not realising our buddha nature, in other words it is an 'experience' of no-self yet the nature of no-self and awareness is not understood. Enlightenment is not an experience that comes and go.
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Originally posted by geforce:hey AEN, thanks for explaining that part out.. now i sort of understood what i experienced.. and i also have a long way to go too.
I also have a very long way
Be raw & undefine. Look at the colours, feel the air & experience the presence & be totally absorbed into the experience. Awareness is that flow of experience. There is no self, only this mere seeing. -
Originally posted by Thusness:A friend came to pass me some cheques to sign and saw me reading this forum...
IT triggered a short conversation and I asked:
"Without the using the thought of I, how do you experience I?"
He closed his eyes for a while...
Open his eyes and said "Everything!"
and his eyes like
Try it!
Can You Find A Boundary?
Right now, close your eyes and simply be aware of all the sounds and sensations that are here, listening openly to the whole thing. What happens if you try to sense where "you" begin and end? Can you actually find a boundary?
You can think about some boundary, like "the skin," but in simple open awareness, can you actually find it? Does it have any real subtance? Or is your actual experience the undividedness of everything?
Are the sounds you hear right now inside or outside you? Again, you can think that they are "outside," but in your actual direct experience, if you listen openly, is there a boundary? Can you find the place where "inside" becomes "outside" and visa versa? Is anything outside or separate from awareness? Is there a "you" apart from, or other than awareness itself?
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Yes belief is not enough.It is not good to believe others too easily, but neither is it good to believe yourself too easily. You are no more trustworthy than others, in the sense that much of our thinking is conditioned, biased and contained within fixed limitations. If we stay within that limited view, in that limited belief system and its assumptions, we are going to remain trapped and we will be unable to grow.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes so my point is belief is not enough.
And of course one should seek liberation above all else. If one can seek liberation above all else, all other mundane things, one will be liberated quickly. (but do NOT have any expectations of liberation or whatever you want out of practise)
It is the sincerity and openness to contemplate and see things from different angles, to try to understand and trust in the human ability to consider things carefully. Dare to question, be open, be willing to listen; question and consider. -
pples create God in their own image. Different people describe God in different ways. They tend to create God in their own minds - in other words they conceive God in their minds. And they can only create God in their own minds, in their own image, because all that they can create is the thoughts and images that they conceive. That is why we can recognise every description of God that we encounterOriginally posted by Cenarious:ok i searched the net and it is exactly what i was thinking, so what was the mindfulness you thought that i was saying?
God is omnipresent. He is both internal and external. He is everywhere you can ever imagine.
We can relate to every aspect that is described, because it is something that has been created by the human mind. -
hanarOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:pples create God in their own image. Different people describe God in different ways. They tend to create God in their own minds - in other words they conceive God in their minds. And they can only create God in their own minds, in their own image, because all that they can create is the thoughts and images that they conceive. That is why we can recognise every description of God that we encounter
We can relate to every aspect that is described, because it is something that has been created by the human mind. -
Updated my previous post. Included something from casino_king..Originally posted by Cenarious:hanar -
which one
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Second post on this pageOriginally posted by Cenarious:which one
04 October 2006 · 04:59 PM
The short conversation between Thusness and Casino_King on the 2nd page of that topic is also rather interesting. He thinks he has 'crossed over the other shore', but Thusness says.. not yet -
thnksOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Second post on this page
04 October 2006 · 04:59 PM
The short conversation between Thusness and Casino_King on the 2nd page of that topic is also rather interesting. He thinks he has 'crossed over the other shore', but Thusness says.. not yet 
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you are right. I have gone astray.
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woah looking at the old links i realise i missed out on so many teachings
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what links?Originally posted by Cenarious:woah looking at the old links i realise i missed out on so many teachings -
but of course christianity isn't God itself, just as dharma is not enlightenment. (i was confused last night)
and i find christianity to be a very good dharma. -
threads that contain posts that thusness madeOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:what links? -
Nirvana is beyond the duality of motion and stillness, and the way that's experienced is that you feel that you (Buddha Mind) are absolutely still in the midst of a world of absolute motion, but the two don't feel different or separate. That's the nondual, Mahayana Nirvana, in which the relative dualities of nirvana-and-samsara, life-and-death, subject-and-object, matter-and-consciousness, form-and-spirit are seen to be nondual or "one," an inseparable unity.
http://www.buddhistinformation.com/buddhism_and_the_illusion_of_time.htm
This and the "space" and dis-identifying from thoughts that eckhart tolle writes about is my God. This is so easily attained when your friend starts describing God to you. -
Besides, the Chan practice is never trying to reach this or that experience. It simply offers a Gong-An for the practitioner to ponder, and nothing else. So, please forget about the desire to reach something. The method is simply to work on a Gong-An.
http://www.yogichen.org/efiles/purezen.html
I think gong-an = koans.
God itself is a gong-an. God is not this or that, so whatever your mind conjures up is not God. Yet your friends keep telling you to seek God and God is everywhere etc, and then your mind naturally disidentifies. And since you are only human, in the presence of God all your ego disappear. -
My views were wrong. Sorry for hijacking this topic. Please continue with your discussion and pretend I never posted here.
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=== JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote === This Choiceless Awareness
This Choiceless Awareness
Great seers have always told us to acquire experience. They have said that experience gives us understanding. But it is only the innocent mind, the mind unclouded by experience, totally free from the past - it is only such a mind that can perceive what is reality. If you see the truth of that, if you perceive it for a split second, you will know the extraordinary clarity of a mind that is innocent. This means the falling away of all the encrustations of memory, which is the discarding of the past. But to perceive it, there can be no question of 'how'. Your mind must not be distracted by the 'how', by the desire for an answer. Such a mind is not an attentive mind. As I said earlier in this talk, in the beginning is the end. In the beginning is the seed of the ending of that which we call sorrow. The ending of sorrow is realized in sorrow itself, not away from sorrow. To move away from sorrow is merely to find an answer, a conclusion, an escape; but sorrow continues. Whereas, if you give it your complete attention, which is to be attentive with your whole being, then you will see that there is an immediate perception in which no time is involved, in which there is no effort, no conflict; and it is this immediate perception, this choiceless awareness that puts an end to sorrow.
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