unintentional karma (spin off)
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if you "unintentionally" Killed another person, will that person hold resentment/grudge.? i think yes.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
There was once a blind monk who would , while walking about, accidentally step on ants, thereby killing them. when his fellow monks noticed this, they report it to the Buddha who pointed out that as the blind monk's killing of the ants was unintentional, it was neither wholesome nor unwholesome karma and no corresponding effect would arise.
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however, i heard from Ven Hai Tao, that unintentional action also have unintentional effect. there was this monk who while preaching, accidentally kill an insect. the insect later was reborn as a wild boar which had an itch teeth. so it went to scratch on a huge rock. which fell from the cliff and killed the monk below. the wild boar was also unintentional.
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if were to wonder if the 2 stories are contradicting.
i think for the first story, maybe Buddha do not want the monk to worry too much, as there's not much he can do to unintentional 'Effect', except be more careful/mindful.
i think unintentional karma is quite like equivalent to Collective karma.
i think karma of ignorance is not easy to sever unless one open wisdom and realise emptiness/not self.
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fyi, here's from Ven Huifeng:
Dear Xabir:
Karma is cetana, volition / intention.
As such, there is no 'unintentional' karma.
The Jains (another religious group at the time of the Buddha) believed that even unintentional actions have karmic result. The Buddha disagreed.
They also believed that physical action was heaviest,
Where the Buddha stated that mental (cetana - intention) is heaviest.
The monk who stepped on the ants was a blind arhat. It is impossible for him to arise the thought of killing, as this is an unwholesome thought. Arhats do not have unwholesome thoughts.
karma can apply to walking, sitting, etc. depends on what state of mind one does these in.
eg. in the time of a past buddha, a layman went to make offerings to the buddha, carrying gold cutlerly some distance to make the offering. Along the way, as he walked, he was full of joy and happiness that he could make an offering to the Buddha and Sangha. In the time of Sakyamuni, he uncovered a gold-vein in the ground. The Buddha explained how this was the result of his carrying the gold vessel, with positive mental karma, to the Buddha. (The site of the gold-vein was the length of the journey he walked carrying the gold cutlerly, pots, etc.)
The mental, physical and verbal actions of liberated being, etc. Buddhas and arhats, are arkiya - non-functional (not the best translation), in the sense that they do not have karmic result for themselves. They no longer have volition in the sense above.
Hope this makes things clearer.
Huifeng -
cont..
Dear Sinwei:
The below is not directly in response to you, because I don't know your views on the matter. It just made me think of something though, so thought I would add a little.
Whether an action has result or not is independent on whether the recipient experiences resentment or not.
There seems the misconception at times that:
"One experiences the negative result of killing, because the person killed will come back for revenge."
This is incorrect. Why?
Example:
A person could kill an arhat. The arhat will not have any sense of revenge at all, and secondly, they can't come back to take revenge, even if they wanted to, which they don't.
Yet, that action of killing an arhat will have extremely, extremely serious consequences - direct rebirth into the low hells, for a long, long, time.
And, as Sinwei rightly states:
A person could accidently kill something, and they may seek revenge. Now, how could one experience the negative result (of their revenge) without committing the karma in the first place (the karma of intentional murder)?
Now of course, their relationship may be more complex than that, and there may be other factors, but that would be a case of result without karmic action.
So, again, the view that it is due to revenge is incorrect.
When one commits an action, the seeds of that action - wholesome, unwholesome or neutral - are planted.
When the circumstances (causes and conditions) are ripe, they will experience the results - pleasure, pain or neutral sensation / feeling - respectively.
Huifeng -
who is Ven Hai Tao?Originally posted by sinweiy:if you "unintentionally" Killed another person, will that person hold resentment/grudge.? i think yes.
i think karma of ignorance is not easy to sever unless one open wisdom and realise emptiness/not self.
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how can you compare the knowledge and powers of Ven Hai Tao to the Buddha?
the most Ven Hai Tao is an arahant, and arahant powers is limited as compared to the Buddha. -
If your dont understand ven Hai Tao talks , please go and ask him
do not make conjecture ..the stories by ven Hai tao is from jataka tales
not cook up from somewhere
thanks
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If I blow up this planet then where should the rest that is suppose to be rebirth as humans go to?
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Originally posted by maggot:
fyi, other earth-like-planets are countless in the ten directions/boundless cosmo. know that human realm is not limited to our earth only.
If I blow up this planet then where should the rest that is suppose to be rebirth as humans go to? 
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Hmm..interesting..
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The cyclic universe has no beginning nor an end.
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Originally posted by marcteng:
He's a great well known monk from taiwan.
who is Ven Hai Tao?
how can you compare the knowledge and powers of Ven Hai Tao to the Buddha?
the most Ven Hai Tao is an arahant, and arahant powers is limited as compared to the Buddha.
http://www.fa-in.org/film/ht/
let me say that we are not comparing the 2 person, but to understand the meaning of the two stories, i believe Ven Hai Tao also took it out from the sutra texts From the Buddha also. so we are to contemplate what Buddha really meant.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
you should try to read the jataka tales yourself
He's a great well known monk from taiwan.
http://www.fa-in.org/film/ht/
let me say that we are not comparing the 2 person, but to understand the meaning of the two stories, i believe Ven Hai Tao also took it out from the sutra texts [b]From the Buddha also. so we are to contemplate what Buddha really meant.
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the Spirit of Free Inquiry .. Buddha never told us to have blind faith
and seek Ven Hai Tao for queries (sometimes when spoken too fast ,people tends to miss out something that makes the who stories sound weird )