I think I have seen selflessness
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Yes , it can be changed provided it's not for me to see it, Usually i do not really see fate. I see events , and real living relationships. Also disasters.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:But if you understood what I said, fate can be changed
Its sad to be unable to change it , so I rather not choose to try to even shape the present for the future. What we shape, we shape what we could not foresee.
(remember the week I said something about the red dot expanding in the pacific ocean?)
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Sorry I didnt see you updated your post.Originally posted by Cenarious:aren't you contradicting yourself?
conditions determine if you will make that will or not, or whether you are conscious or not. you are also conditioned.
but yeah i agree that it is also not determinism but only as long as u dont keep holding onto the past
It is definitely not determinism, although karma manifests. The cause is determined from your past action (Step 2), the Effect is not determined yet (Step 4). In between lies factors like the level of consciousness, and The constant opening for present input into the causal process makes free will possible. -
neither did i say that everything cannot be changed. you can change stuff but it depends on how conscious you are, and that is also conditioned by how delusioned you are, which is conditioned by how what you did before. so its all fated although we dont realise it.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I'm not contradicting what... there is will, there is choice, but no chooser, no willer. Read carefully
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Some are difficult to change, but do you know even earthquakes can be prevented. But it required massive amounts of merit making to change it.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Yes , it can be changed provided it's not for me to see it, Usually i do not really see fate. I see events , and real living relationships. Also disasters.
Its sad to be unable to change it , so I rather not choose to try to even shape the present for the future. What we shape, we shape what we could not foresee.
See the turn-about of events for the 'prophecised' Californian Earthquake, resulting only in a 7+ magnitude - although biggest in several years - yet no casualties (let's hope the Big One never comes).
Californian "Big One" Earthquake is Coming!
Californian Earthquake (Part 2)
californian earthquake part 3
Those who wants to read a summary may want to read Part 3 alone.
The problem lies much in the fact that not many people know that they can change it. The dharma says you can. Another interesting read will be Liao Fan's 4 Lessons.
http://www.etext.org/Religious.Texts/Misc/4teachen.html
I hope Sinweiy would give a summary for this
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Now it means that the REALITY is that we CAN change things, we are only FOOLED into thinking we can'tOriginally posted by Cenarious:neither did i say that everything cannot be changed. you can change stuff but it depends on how conscious you are, and that is also conditioned by how delusioned you are, which is conditioned by how what you did before. so its all fated although we dont realise it.
you are part of nature but you dont realise it.
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I have read that , and it gives great comfort , in reality if you were to witness me by "hopping" in to my spiritual experiences , you might not have the rationality to even explain or be at least sane.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Some are difficult to change, but do you know even earthquakes can be prevented. But it required massive amounts of merit making to change it.
See the turn-about of events for the 'prophecised' Californian Earthquake, resulting only in a 7+ magnitude yet no casualties (let's hope the Big One never comes).
Californian "Big One" Earthquake is Coming!
Californian Earthquake (Part 2)
californian earthquake part 3
The problem lies much in the fact that not many people know that they can change it. The dharma says you can. Another interesting read will be Liao Fan's 4 Lessons.
http://www.etext.org/Religious.Texts/Misc/4teachen.html
I hope Sinweiy would give a summary for this
I'm living almost every stage of my life in de-ja-vu. Its like experiencing my life again. How would you feel if you have seen your own life in the " mirror of truth/tribulations " and revived to live it?
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how is there a "we"? we are also part of nature, doing nature's work of changing.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Now it means that the REALITY is that we CAN change things, we are only FOOLED into thinking we can't
Not the other way round.
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I see... well my suggestion is though they may seem very predictable and real, you have to see it as illusory. All phenomena are by nature illusory... if we become attached, think that it is real, it can cause us insanity and sufferings.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:I have read that , and it gives great comfort , in reality if you were to witness me by "hopping" in to my spiritual experiences , you might not have the rationality to even explain or be at least sane.
I'm living almost every stage of my life in de-ja-vu. Its like experiencing my life again. How would you feel if you have seen your own life in the " mirror of truth/tribulations " and revived to live it?
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Erm there's something about this demon as explained by the Japanese Manga "Ghost Teacher" the 'teacher with the demon hand'.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I see... well my suggestion is though they may seem very predictable and real, you have to see it as illusory. All phenomena are by nature illusory... if we become attached, think that it is real, it can cause us insanity and sufferings.
There is this demon who will purposely show you the future to disrupt your life.
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Sorry I didn't see this part. This is not how Buddhism teaches.Originally posted by Cenarious:so its all fated although we dont realise it.
you are part of nature but you dont realise it.
Yours is determinism. Buddhism teaches that past karma does NOT determine future karma.
BOTH past and present determines present, present determines present and future.
So basically you are still stuck in linear analysis and needs to re-read my previous post... -
why did u ignore the rest of that post, and how does future change the present?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Sorry I didn't see this part. This is not how Buddhism teaches.
Yours is determinism. Buddhism teaches that past karma does NOT determine future karma.
BOTH past and present determines present, present determines present and future.
So basically you are still stuck in linear analysis and needs to re-read my previous post...
OH YEAH YOU DIDNT SAY FUTURE WILL CHANGE PRESENT I MISREAD SORRY -
should not be asking the eternal nowOriginally posted by Cenarious:why did u ignore the rest of that post, and how does future change the present?
This part ,
I can explain," the future may affect what decisions you make now." It's relative to vice versa. -
that future of yours isnt it made by your present mind?Originally posted by NotFromVenus:should not be asking the eternal now
This part ,
I can explain," the future may affect what decisions you make now." It's relative to vice versa. -
If you can see spirituality does not exists in time and space.Originally posted by Cenarious:that future of yours isnt it made by your present mind? -
You may want to speak to a Buddhist teacher about your situation.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Erm there's something about this demon as explained by the Japanese Manga "Ghost Teacher" the 'teacher with the demon hand'.
There is this demon who will purposely show you the future to disrupt your life.
I guess I might need exorcism or more faith.
And most importantly you have to practise the dharma. I gave an advise based on Thusness's advise to TWE on another problem a few months ago. I think it applies here.
http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=198043Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Have you practised concentration without proper guidance especially in focusing between the eyebrow? Cos this can open up the channel for medium.
I am told by a friend.. thusness, that There are several reasons, it can arise due to karmic affinity, it can arise due to karmic debt, it can arise due to wrong practices. If he practice concentration without proper guide especially focusing in between the eyebrown, it might open up the channel for medium. Without proper guidance, this could happen.
If it is due to karmic affinity and karmic debt, then i think it is easier to solve as the experience negotiator can do something about it. But if one practices wrongly, that level stays and is open...this can be quite troublesome.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes thats right. Often this needs to be done.. if you want to overcome yourself without such help with negotiators, then you must be prepared to suffer many years, it can take years and depending on your practice... no doctors can help. We must start practising the dharma diligently ourselves to overcome such situations. If you practice no-self and is able to experience presence in the correct way, it does not affect you. Because there will be no entry point. When we are constantly authenticated by Presence and there is no entry for that trance level to take place. That level of consciousness does not exist. No external forces can forcefully create that communication unless it is open due to some reason. Due to lack of proper practices.
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Originally posted by Cenarious:OH YEAH YOU DIDNT SAY FUTURE WILL CHANGE PRESENT I MISREAD SORRY
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changing from unconscious to conscious, isnt that also dependent on conditions?
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Usually "it" happens when I'm half-conscious . Not fully aware of the self or is careless the whole day.Originally posted by Cenarious:changing from unconscious to conscious, isnt that also dependent on conditions?
Have you experienced a day or a few days whereby you feel that you could not keep focused at anything you do? You keep misplacing things and couldn't find the keys you were holding in your own hand? -
Just now I mentioned, The constant opening for present input into the causal process makes free will possible.Originally posted by Cenarious:changing from unconscious to conscious, isnt that also dependent on conditions?
The constant opening for present input into the causal process, this, is not merely due to past karma or past conditions.
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i know that consciousness has always been there, but where does this present input come from?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Just now I mentioned, The constant opening for present input into the causal process makes free will possible.
The constant opening for present input into the causal process, this, is not merely due to past karma or past conditions.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
ya, fate can be change. though there's always an exception. some very strong one can only be defer.
Another interesting read will be Liao Fan's 4 Lessons.
http://www.etext.org/Religious.Texts/Misc/4teachen.html
I hope Sinweiy would give a summary for this[/b]
there are a few factors that effect the fate. that say, first tian ming4(your life when born); second yun4(timing); third fengshui(by that it mean location); fouth de(virtue); Fifth du su(education/wisdom).
for the first: "tian ming", is normally what you are born as. example handsome, ulgy, short, tall, handicap, into what kind of family etc. those that are unchangable. it is karmical.
for the second: timing, ie which year you are born can effect your fate.
third location, ie where u are born, example europe, china, spore, earth or other world system etc.
Above three factors are mostly natural. Last 2 is personal.
fouth de2 is how you accumulate merits and virtue; showing compassion to others, doing good deeds can change you fate too. the more people you help the more good affinities you have and the more affinities mean, they will help you in return, hence change your fate. (it's common sense).
then lastly we have education/wisdom. surely got education is better than no education. though foolishness also have their fortune, but that's another story. best is still open to wisdom.
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so yeah there is ultimately only the present, i been reading you wrong i thought u were saying future can change present and past
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This is not what our leaders teach us,Originally posted by sinweiy:ya, fate can be change. though there's always an exception. some very strong one can only be defer.
there are a few factors that effect the fate. that say, first tian ming4(your life when born); second yun4(timing); third fengshui(by that it mean location); fouth de(virtue); Fifth du su(education/wisdom).
for the first: "tian ming", is normally what you are born as. example handsome, ulgy, short, tall, handicap, into what kind of family etc. those that are unchangable. it is karmical.
for the second: timing, ie which year you are born can effect your fate.
third location, ie where u are born, example europe, china, spore, earth or other world system etc.
Above three factors are mostly natural. Last 2 is personal.
fouth de2 is how you accumulate merits and virtue; showing compassion to others, doing good deeds can change you fate too. the more people you help the more good affinities you have and the more affinities mean, they will help you in return, hence change your fate. (it's common sense).
then lastly we have education/wisdom. surely got education is better than no education. though foolishness also have their fortune, but that's another story. best is still open to wisdom.
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1st is (IC)
2nd is (NS)
3rd is (CPF)
4th is ($$$)
5th is (Shut up and listen) Grey Humor
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Ultimately there is no difference between past, present and future. There is only this eternally present Present. So this sgForums account name you created is quite a nice name... I wonder how did you thought of that initially?Originally posted by Cenarious:so yeah there is ultimately only the present, i been reading you wrong i thought u were saying future can change present and past
but then is there really free will ultimately? can you be fully enlightened right now?
Changes occur in timelessness, in the timeless Now (not a Now in relation to past and future), because timelessness is reality. It only appears to have reality when we analysis in linear mode. So strangely to say, Cause and Effect happens simultaneously as you cannot really separate the two, or in timelessness, everything is Unmanifested. Nothing was ever born.
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/bodhidharma/karma_truth.html - under the last part, IV. Karma and free will:Cause and effect, just like birth and death, lose their significance at the Enlightened level because at the level of basic nature there is no one to receive the effect of Karma, whether it is good or bad. Therefore, at the extreme, when one is Enlightened, the law of Karma is not applicable. All that the Enlightened one does, says, or thinks is through free will, a manifestation of basic nature, and not the effect of past Karma.
No wonder Thusness told Longchen,
http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=213938Possibly but not conclusively. I do not deny that there are just certain aspects of consciousness that require us to work undisturbed deligently. Sufficient level of clarity is required to serve as the condition and momentum for deeper level of insight to take place. For this, one might have to leave behind normal everyday life and live in solitude for a period of time. But in the final stage, one's action is totally indeterminable.
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i read it somewhere and thought it sounded cool, didnt think it was related to enlightenment back then