What are your doubts on Buddhism
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Go check what's the medical definition of amnesia will you? It is a false memory that you describe.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:You don't have, but you forgotten your past life, and that is just like amnesia, but that doesn't mean you cannot recall it again some time in future. -
am‧ne‧sia /æmˈniʒə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[am-nee-zhuh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA PronunciationOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Go check what's the medical definition of amnesia will you? It is a false memory that you describe.
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loss of a large block of interrelated memories; complete or partial loss of memory caused by brain injury, shock, etc.
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That's what I mean. I don't understand you. -
How are memories formed? Once you learn the medical definition, you should know why what you say is nonsense.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:am‧ne‧sia /æmˈniʒə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[am-nee-zhuh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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loss of a large block of interrelated memories; complete or partial loss of memory caused by brain injury, shock, etc.
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That's what I mean. I don't understand you. -
Don't mind pointing to us, where exactly to locate the medical definition?
And which medical book you got your info from?
Maybe also share with us about your understanding about how memories are form, from the medical perspective offcourse.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:How are memories formed? Once you learn the medical definition, you should know why what you say is nonsense. -
By the way, a lot of things we are discussing have been discussed before, in a series of longest topics (300+ replies). This one, the longest ever, has 407 replies, take your time to read them if you are free. Discussed a lot about science and Buddhism and how Buddhism is compatible. Buddhism cannot be discussed openly? (oh by the way, anyone sees the irony in the topic title?
)Originally posted by Thusness:Hi Casino_King,
I have not formulated any form of ‘logical argument ‘yet -- no premise, no assertion and no conclusion drawn about anything. So ‘logically flaw’ is quite meaningless. Rather you have formed an assertion that "science certainly does not need to do something to account for non-material phenomenon." and I merely clarify before proceeding further. Do not jump into conclusion too quickly for no reasons. I believe a simple response like “You misunderstood my message, what I meant is …” is much simple.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
Consciousness exists with the human brain, that is clear...
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Perhaps if we were to live in the 17th centuries applying the Newtonian viewpoint, what you said might still be acceptable in the scientific community. Unfortunately, we donÂ’t. In light of quantum mechanics and neuroscience, I think that is a bold statement and you may want to substantiate it with some valid scientific findings.
Last but not least, unlike Taoism or Christianity, immortality is not Buddhism’s main concern. Even if there is no continuity of consciousness after death, true Buddhist practitioners will not be overly disturbed as they are thoroughly trained to understand the meaning of emptiness and doctrine of no-self. This practice of mental detachment is what that brings about a true scientific spirit that prepares Buddhists to see “What is” in their journey towards enlightenment. -
Technically, it flows like this:Originally posted by concerned_man:Don't mind pointing to us, where exactly to locate the medical definition?
And which medical book you got your info from?
Maybe also share with us about your understanding about how memories are form, from the medical perspective offcourse.
Tactile or sense memory
Short term memory
Long term memory
Straight from our senses, we record it down as tactile or sense memory. After which it is recorded as our short term memory for a very short period of time. In any case there is a repeated use of the short term memory, then there is a probablity that it becomes a long term memory. -
So if your body isn't gestated yet, you got no memory.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Technically, it flows like this:
Tactile or sense memory
Short term memory
Long term memory
Straight from our senses, we record it down as tactile or sense memory. After which it is recorded as our short term memory for a very short period of time. In any case there is a repeated use of the short term memory, then there is a probablity that it becomes a long term memory. -
Although, in Buddhism, memory isn't just confined to brain or body. (Ajahn Brahmavamso spoke about this in the 'Buddhism and Science' article)Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:So if your body isn't gestated yet, you got no memory. -
I'm learning about Buddhism, but am still a long way off to considering myself a Buddhist. Here are some questions I have, sorry they're poorly worded because I'm not familiar with the proper terms.
I believe in the Buddhist philosophy, idealogy and principles to life, but can't bring myself to believe in gods, prayer etc - the "religious practices" side of this reigion. How do I reconcile this contradiction? Will I ever be a Buddhist if I never resolve this paradox?
Can a Buddhist be without any dietary restrictions? -
Glad you're beginning to learn more about Buddhism as Buddhism is completely relevant to our daily lives and offers us insight into the nature of reality if we can practise it. May you gain in wisdom and find bliss of dharma.Originally posted by choco B:I'm learning about Buddhism, but am still a long way off to considering myself a Buddhist. Here are some questions I have, sorry they're poorly worded because I'm not familiar with the proper terms.
I believe in the Buddhist philosophy, idealogy and principles to life, but can't bring myself to believe in gods, prayer etc - the "religious practices" side of this reigion. How do I reconcile this contradiction? Will I ever be a Buddhist if I never resolve this paradox?
Can a Buddhist be without any dietary restrictions?
'Gods' and 'prayers', what do you mean by them? In Buddhism we do not worship any gods. And what do you mean by 'prayers'? Can you elaborate them?
Lastly, a Buddhist only needs to watch that (if they are not vegetarian) their meat comes from 5 clean sources, see Five Clean Sources of Meat. Why? Because we do not want to commit more serious karma as a result of the diet we take. If we can eat meat under these 5 conditions, the karma will be much less.Five Clean Sources of Meat
Many people firmly recognise that the Buddha's teachings are full, subtle, comprehensive and profound. They recognise and revere the truth of the Buddha-dharma as soon as they encounter it. However, they face a common dilemma: they hesitate to take refuge in the Three Treasures because they do not wish to be vegetarians. For this reason, some ponder at the gate of Buddhism for a long time and are afraid to take that step forward. Others arrive at the crossroad of religion, some took the wrong turn and ended up with some cults or unorthodox ways. They do not realise that it is not easy to be born a human, and it is even harder to have the opportunity to encounter the Buddha-dharma. Having been born a human, it is indeed a waste of opportunity not to embrace Buddhism as it knocks at our door.
The Buddha-dharma is infinite and there are in reality more than 84,000 Dharma doors, or methods by which we can embark to learn and practise Buddhism. Vegetarianism is just one of the many methods. To refrain from killing is merely a means of assisting us to progress in our cultivation. As a medicine, meat is permitted in the Buddhist precepts if it is required to cure a particular sickness. Buddhism cherishes compassion. However, killing and causing harm to life have their retributions. The world has no peace as victims and villains engage in a vicious cycle of vengeance and revenge, culminating in calamities and disasters, and inflicting suffering and misery across the world.
Buddha understands the ignorance and habits of sentient beings that have accumulated from aeons of their many past lives. In order to provide sentient beings with an expedient means of embracing Buddhism, those who are not able to convert to a vegetarian diet on a long term basis are permitted to consume meat provided:
(1) That he did not slaughter the animal personally
(2) That he did not instruct others to slaughter
(3) That the slaughter was not committed for his sake
(4) That he did not witness the slaughter
(5) That he did not hear the cries associated with the slaughter
To refrain from killing is fundamental to Buddhism. Regardless of life forms, we must not kill, we must not instruct others to kill, and it must not be killed for our sake, for example, to celebrate our birthday or because we were coming to dinner. These are three sources of clean meat.
In Confucianism, benevolence also means to refrain from killing. It is said that heaven has the virtue of loving life. It cannot bear to witness the loss of life, let alone eat the flesh of those whose cries in death we have heard. Buddhism advocates compassion and loving-kindness to all sentient beings, regardless of their relation to you. It is only appropriate that we do not kill for our livelihood or for the purpose of celebrating occasions, such as births, birthdays, funerals or weddings. Meats are no different from the other foodstuffs purchased from the market if people do not witness the killing or hear the cries of the animal that is being slaughtered. If a differentiation between the two kinds of purchases and the taste of the meat do not exist in the mind, then the guilt is lighter. Together with the three mentioned earlier, these constitute the five sources of clean meat.
Meat eating however is a pre-condition to killing. If people refrain from eating meat, there will be no killing of animals for meat. Sadly, the human race has committed killings for aeons and is engaged in an endless cycle of vengeance and revenge over their past lives. For one who is slaughtered for meat in this life, it is probably because he had done the same to others in the past. The score is even, no more and no less.
People who eat meat from the five clean sources are advised to learn to chant the Buddha's name and the Buddhist mantras, so as to transfer the merits to those whose meat they are eating. They should also wish them an early rebirth in the human realm, to eliminate any thoughts of vengeance, to nurture their virtuous roots to benefit all sentient beings and together build a peaceful, caring and blissful pure land in this world. Only when this is promoted across the entire world, will we be able to eliminate hatred and vengeance, and enhance a mind of compassion and loving kindness. In this way we will be able to transform this Saha world into a pure land. -
Hmm I'm having problems explaining without revealing too much Suffice to say that I'm kinda under pressure to convert to Buddhism by my family. As previously mentioned I agree with the Buddhist philosophy but being a skeptic I can't bring myself to believe in the ... supernatural (OK this is a lousy word but dunno how else to describe) aspects.
My aunt who is the "religious beacon" in my family, sort of guides the family in Buddhism. She is devout, full vegetarian, chants in the black robe, has an altar, observes the important dates, etc.
However I can't agree with some of her practices:
e.g. praying to guan yin for favours e.g. good luck for an interview, etc - IMO Buddhism is not about granting favours.
e.g. her belief that by praying, good things will happen (rain will stop when going out, etc) - just find it hard to believe
e.g. releasing birds to "do good" - but they were captured in the first place, so what's the point?
I agree with most of what she teaches about the religion and they are about the same as buddhist teachings as far as I read about them here. But what about the issues that I have conflict over? I may never see Buddhism the way she sees it, & I don't really know how to reconcile this with her. (OK so this is family problem not religious problem).
But while I explore the religion on my own I'm sure there will be more doubts , e.g. I don't quite understand how chanting sutras will make a difference in anything, I believe more in real action. Being a skeptic all my life I already have difficulty believing in the notions of hell and spirits. So does this mean I will never be a true Buddhist?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:'Gods' and 'prayers', what do you mean by them? In Buddhism we do not worship any gods. And what do you mean by 'prayers'? Can you elaborate them? -
I agree with you that one should not be too superstitious over such things. One who truly knows dharma will know that Buddhism is really about practising and cultivation, to see the truths for ourselves. It is not only just a philosophy, and it is not a religion that is about rituals and things like that. Even if there are rituals they are secondary, only as an expedient means for sentient beings. They have its purpose and place, but Buddhists should know that rituals is not the primary purpose of Buddhism, of the teachings of Buddha. Buddhism is about cultivating wisdom, a bright mental culture... living a blissful life and experience freedom, bcos of dharma.Originally posted by choco B:Hmm I'm having problems explaining without revealing too much Suffice to say that I'm kinda under pressure to convert to Buddhism by my family. As previously mentioned I agree with the Buddhist philosophy but being a skeptic I can't bring myself to believe in the ... supernatural (OK this is a lousy word but dunno how else to describe) aspects.
My aunt who is the "religious beacon" in my family, sort of guides the family in Buddhism. She is devout, full vegetarian, chants in the black robe, has an altar, observes the important dates, etc.
However I can't agree with some of her practices:
e.g. praying to guan yin for favours e.g. good luck for an interview, etc - IMO Buddhism is not about granting favours.
e.g. her belief that by praying, good things will happen (rain will stop when going out, etc) - just find it hard to believe
e.g. releasing birds to "do good" - but they were captured in the first place, so what's the point?
I agree with most of what she teaches about the religion and they are about the same as buddhist teachings as far as I read about them here. But what about the issues that I have conflict over? I may never see Buddhism the way she sees it, & I don't really know how to reconcile this with her. (OK so this is family problem not religious problem).
But while I explore the religion on my own I'm sure there will be more doubts , e.g. I don't quite understand how chanting sutras will make a difference in anything, I believe more in real action. Being a skeptic all my life I already have difficulty believing in the notions of hell and spirits. So does this mean I will never be a true Buddhist?
Releasing birds is a good practise, but we must make sure that those birds will survive on their own. Releasing animals has its merits also, that's like setting free someone who is kidnapped. Of course that is a virtuous deed. However even if we cannot release animals, an even better thing is to 'protect animals', every single animal we should try to protect them from harm, and if we can be a vegetarian by all means do be a vegetarian and by this we can save a lot of animals' lives because if there is no demand then there will not be so many animals killed.
By the way what tradition is your mother from, or what Venerable does your mother take refuge under?
Ok as for chanting sutras, my master used to say, chanting is not as good as understanding the sutra, and understanding the sutra is not as good as really practising the sutra and even higher level, the sutra must lead us to Insight, to enlightenment. Chanting sutras is a good practise.. why? Because even if we do not understand the sutra completely now, we plant a deep karmic seed of the teachings of the Buddha into our consciousness and when conditions are there the seed will ripen and we will gain insight. Furthermore chanting sutras have its own vast merits, so if people chant sutras we should encourage them.
But true Buddhists shouldn't just stop at chanting, I think you understand what I mean. -
To add on to the previous post.
Originally posted by choco B:
Don't feel pressurised. To take refuge in the Three Treasures to become a Buddhist, is something to rejoice. Because taking refuge is like returning. For countless aeons sentient beings like us have wandered from one lifetime to the other in ignorance... undergoing countless sufferings and not seeing that there is any hope of freedom and awakening. Not seeing our innate Buddha Nature. So to take refuge is like after aeons of wandering in ignorance in the 6 realms we have finally remembered our parents at home, and we wish to return.
Hmm I'm having problems explaining without revealing too much Suffice to say that I'm kinda under pressure to convert to Buddhism by my family. As previously mentioned I agree with the Buddhist philosophy but being a skeptic I can't bring myself to believe in the ... supernatural (OK this is a lousy word but dunno how else to describe) aspects.
Taking refuge is also creating a deep affinity with the triple gems so that we may continue to encounter the three treasures and continue on our spiritual path in future lives..
It is normal to have doubts because many things are beyond our scope to comprehend. This should not stop us from taking refuge or becoming a Buddhist. There is no need to blindly believe everything you hear. But if we have confidence in the Three Treasures to lead us to enlightenment, and really practise the teachings, one day we will find out for ourselves. What is the ultimate aim of practising Buddhism? It is 'ming xin jian xing'. To awaken to our true nature, our own buddha nature. To attain Buddhahood. This is definitely possible and countless others (even today, even in this forum) have awakened to their true nature under the guidance and teachings of the buddhadharma.
When our practise/cultivation bears results, we will gain confidence in the words of the Buddha. We will see for ourselves what the Buddha said is indeed absolutely true and the way he taught truly leads to fruition. So as our practise and cultivation gains strength, the more confidence we have in the teachings of the triple gems. Even 'heaven' and 'hell' also truly exist and eventually you will know. -
In regards to 'asking favours'... still ultimately is your karma. But in Mahayana Buddhism it is also possible to pray for certain changes as long as it is not against the principles of Buddhism, and I posted this recently in: can fate be changed?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:There is no such thing as fate... is only karma. And yes, karma can be changed, if you think you have done something wrong, you can repent, do virtuous deeds, etc, and this will help overcome the karma. Chanting also helps...
In the Mahayana tradition... it is actually possible to pray to the Buddhas and bodhisattvas for help. I'll summarise a little on what my dharma teacher said about this. This is called Skillful Means, and the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas is able to help in certain cases. It really depends on your situation... and what you pray for must be of right intentions, what you pray for must not contradict the dharma. For example if you pray to win big bucks from toto or gambling then of course you won't find that praying is helpful. Instead, the more you pray, the more you won't win. If say you are in financial crisis and you have a family to feed.. you really need money, and if you chant Namo Guan Shi Yin Pu Sa very often, very regularly, and pray for changes.. then you might indeed see a change of events.
However, it may not work in all cases. Because still it is your karma. The Buddhas/bodhisattvas can only help you have 'access' to these wholesome, virtuous seeds. So let's say you have $100 in your bank, if you are in crisis and you need some money, you pray to the Buddhas/bodhisattvas you may get some money from your bank (i.e the 8th consciousness, alaya consciousness). But if the money is used up (i.e the karma is used up) then even if you pray to Buddha/bodhisattva, they cannot help you.
So if you really didn't see much changes then perhaps it is because you do not have enough good karma. So it is important also, to be wholesome, do virtuous things, avoid unwholesome actions/speech/thoughts, this is to accumulate blessings. But that is not enough of course... because there is a saying by Buddha in accordance to a true story.. if you cultivate blessings and not wisdom, you will be reborn as a royal elephant (good karma but ignorant), and if you cultivate wisdom only but not blessings, even after you become Arhat (liberated person who attained Nirvana), the lay people do not give you alms to eat. So, meaning even if you are enlightened, on the material side you are poor.
But.. still for one who has wisdom, he completely every moment as it is, irregardless of the life situation around him. He is unaffected.. peaceful.. calm.. and joyful at all times. Therefore dharma practise is important, it allows us to be liberated and at peace, happy at all times.
p.s what kind of "fate" do you want to be changed? -
Can you feel pain before you gestalt?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Although, in Buddhism, memory isn't just confined to brain or body. (Ajahn Brahmavamso spoke about this in the 'Buddhism and Science' article) -
Gestalt: A physical, biological, psychological, or symbolic configuration or pattern of elements so unified as a whole that its properties cannot be derived from a simple summation of its parts. Also called gestalt phenomenon.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Can you feel pain before you gestalt?
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This cannot be said of sense perception, but of thoughts and interpretation.
Sense perception comes first before interpretation. -
Just some point to take note.In stark contrast to the world's other major religions, however, Buddhism invokes no divinity, no supreme gods to whom we might appeal for salvation.Instead, Buddhism calls for us to hoist ourselves up by our own bootstraps to develop the discernment we need to distinguish between those qualities within us that are unwholesome and those that are truly noble and good, and to learn how to nourish the good ones and expunge the bad. This is the path to Buddhism's highest perfection, nibbana. Not even the Buddha can take you to that goal.You alone must do the work necessary to complete the journeyOriginally posted by choco B:I'm learning about Buddhism, but am still a long way off to considering myself a Buddhist. Here are some questions I have, sorry they're poorly worded because I'm not familiar with the proper terms.
I believe in the Buddhist philosophy, idealogy and principles to life, but can't bring myself to believe in gods, prayer etc - the "religious practices" side of this reigion. How do I reconcile this contradiction? Will I ever be a Buddhist if I never resolve this paradox?
Can a Buddhist be without any dietary restrictions? -
what is ur definition of a true buddhist?Originally posted by choco B:Hmm I'm having problems explaining without revealing too much Suffice to say that I'm kinda under pressure to convert to Buddhism by my family. As previously mentioned I agree with the Buddhist philosophy but being a skeptic I can't bring myself to believe in the ... supernatural (OK this is a lousy word but dunno how else to describe) aspects.
My aunt who is the "religious beacon" in my family, sort of guides the family in Buddhism. She is devout, full vegetarian, chants in the black robe, has an altar, observes the important dates, etc.
However I can't agree with some of her practices:
e.g. praying to guan yin for favours e.g. good luck for an interview, etc - IMO Buddhism is not about granting favours.
e.g. her belief that by praying, good things will happen (rain will stop when going out, etc) - just find it hard to believe
e.g. releasing birds to "do good" - but they were captured in the first place, so what's the point?
I agree with most of what she teaches about the religion and they are about the same as buddhist teachings as far as I read about them here. But what about the issues that I have conflict over? I may never see Buddhism the way she sees it, & I don't really know how to reconcile this with her. (OK so this is family problem not religious problem).
But while I explore the religion on my own I'm sure there will be more doubts , e.g. I don't quite understand how chanting sutras will make a difference in anything, I believe more in real action. Being a skeptic all my life I already have difficulty believing in the notions of hell and spirits. So does this mean I will never be a true Buddhist?
i could advise u to find ur definition of being a buddhist and walk there path..
if you want to..
I think you are pretty troubled by ur aunt's pressure to convert u into one. Do note that ur aunt isnt a representation of buddhism. i think ur aunt is abit superstitious there, as in praying for good things to happen such as for rain to stop. Praying isn't really totally bad as it can give one calm feelings. However, a buddhist who understand the law of karma also know that one need to put in some efforts to make things happen too.
There is nothing wrong being a skeptic. i was once a skeptic but i learnt later on and clear some misconceptions about buddhism. In fact, Buddha has encouraged buddhist to question and not blindly believe in his teachings.
Even if you don't believe in spirits, it is okay. Actually, whether to believe in spirits exist anot... will it make one happy? Buddha has simply revealed what he has known. There is no harm keeping an open-mind.u can still be a skeptic but not a closed-minded one.
If u don't believe in spirits, still can be a buddhist la. Don't be silly.
It is conducive to take refuge in Buddha, Dharma and Sangha in your learning in buddhism. -
first of all, your aunt is more of what i would call a "believer" type rather than a "practitioner", the buddhist aspirations are more than what you see in her, she is not a very inspiring example (if what you observe is true) although i must say that there is nothing wrong with her waysOriginally posted by choco B:Hmm I'm having problems explaining without revealing too much Suffice to say that I'm kinda under pressure to convert to Buddhism by my family. As previously mentioned I agree with the Buddhist philosophy but being a skeptic I can't bring myself to believe in the ... supernatural (OK this is a lousy word but dunno how else to describe) aspects.
My aunt who is the "religious beacon" in my family, sort of guides the family in Buddhism. She is devout, full vegetarian, chants in the black robe, has an altar, observes the important dates, etc.
However I can't agree with some of her practices:
e.g. praying to guan yin for favours e.g. good luck for an interview, etc - IMO Buddhism is not about granting favours.
e.g. her belief that by praying, good things will happen (rain will stop when going out, etc) - just find it hard to believe
e.g. releasing birds to "do good" - but they were captured in the first place, so what's the point?
I agree with most of what she teaches about the religion and they are about the same as buddhist teachings as far as I read about them here. But what about the issues that I have conflict over? I may never see Buddhism the way she sees it, & I don't really know how to reconcile this with her. (OK so this is family problem not religious problem).
But while I explore the religion on my own I'm sure there will be more doubts , e.g. I don't quite understand how chanting sutras will make a difference in anything, I believe more in real action. Being a skeptic all my life I already have difficulty believing in the notions of hell and spirits. So does this mean I will never be a true Buddhist?
put it this way, i would suggest you start consciously observe the world around you using the Three Characteristics Of Existence, see if what it says is true, if it is and you start to develop a strong need to seek a solution to end suffering, only then you will find a satisfactory answer in the darhma, and only then you will embark on the path of being a true buddhist -
Originally posted by Xprobe:
wow thanks for introducing my new topic!
first of all, your aunt is more of what i would call a "believer" type rather than a "practitioner", the buddhist aspirations are more than what you see in her, she is not a very inspiring example (if what you observe is true) although i must say that there is nothing wrong with her ways
put it this way, i would suggest you start consciously observe the world around you using the Three Characteristics Of Existence, see if what it says is true, if it is and you start to develop a strong need to seek a solution to end suffering, only then you will find a satisfactory answer in the darhma, and only then you will embark on the path of being a true buddhist -
haha, no need, it is the basic realisation that drives one to discover the truth and relevance of the dharma, thus becoming a true practitioner with unwavering confidence and committment
or else for whatever other reasons they "enter" , they will "leave" because the same reasons changed or diminished (impermanence) -
Very true... only the Truth is everlastingOriginally posted by Xprobe:haha, no need, it is the basic realisation that drives one to discover the truth and relevance of the dharma, thus becoming a true practitioner with unwavering confidence and committment
or else for whatever other reasons they "enter" , they will "leave" because the same reasons changed or diminished (impermanence)
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Actually, I had never seen it before
But i am now seeing some Buddhists who are very mean, sarcastic and engage in deceits towards others, and felt themselves fully justified
I am quite saddened actually
Btw, these are not my doubts on Buddhism, in case people again, want to take chance to take potshots. -
Yes that's sad. I wouldn't even be surprised if a person who claims to be Buddhist engage in crimes, etc.Originally posted by laurence82:Actually, I had never seen it before
But i am now seeing some Buddhists who are very mean, sarcastic and engage in deceits towards others, and felt themselves fully justified
I am quite saddened actually
Btw, these are not my doubts on Buddhism, in case people again, want to take chance to take potshots.
Bcos everyone's attitude to Buddhism (even if they claim to be devote), their practise, understanding, realisation, are all different...
Oh and to add on.. if people persist in such non-buddhist behaviors.. pls dont act as if you are devoted in Buddhism, you are creating bad karma for yourself and giving ppl a very bad impression. -
