when do i get my transcendental body?
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what do i do to get it faster
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pls explain what you meanOriginally posted by Cenarious:what do i do to get it faster -
Then Mahamati said to the Blessed One: You have spoken of an astral-body, a "mind-vision-body" (manomayakaya) which the Bodhisattvas are able to assume, as being one of the fruits of self-realization of Noble Wisdom: pray tell us, Blessed One, what is meant by such a transcendental body?
The Lankavatara Sutra
The Blessed One replied: There are three kinds of such transcendental bodies: First, there is one in which the Bodhisattva attains enjoyment of the Samádhis and Samapattis. Second, there is the one, which is assumed by the Tathágatas according to the class of beings to be sustained, and which achieves and perfects spontaneously with no attachment and no effort. Third, there is the one in which the Tathágatas receive their intuition of Dharmakaya.
The transcendental personality that enters into the enjoyment of the Samádhis comes with the third, fourth and fifth stages as the mentations of the mind-system become quieted and waves of consciousness are no more stirred on the face of Universal Mind. In this state, the conscious-mind is still aware, in a measure, of the bliss being experienced by this cessation of the mind’s activities.
The second kind of transcendental personality is the kind assumed by Bodhisattvas and Tathágatas as bodies of transformation by which they demonstrate their original vows in the work of achieving and perfecting; it comes with the eighth stage of Bodhisattva-hood. When the Bodhisattva has a thoroughgoing penetration into the Maya-like nature of things and understands the dharma of imageless-ness, he will experience the "turning-about" in his deepest consciousness and will become able to experience the higher Samádhis even to the highest. By entering into these exalted Samádhis he attains a personality that transcends the conscious-mind, by reason of which he obtains supernatural powers of self-mastery and activities because of which he is able to move as he wishes, as quickly as a dream changes as quickly as an image changes in a mirror. This transcendental body is not a product of the elements and yet there is something in it that is analogous to what is so produced; it is furnished with all the differences appertaining to the world of form but without their limitations; possessed of this "mind-vision-body" he is able to be present in all the assemblages in all the Buddha-lands. Just as his thoughts move instantly and without hindrance over walls, rivers, trees, and mountains, and just as in memory he recalls and visits the scenes of his past experiences, so, while his mind keeps functioning in the body, his thoughts may be a hundred thousand yojanas away. In the same fashion the transcendental personality that experiences the Samádhi Vajravimbopama will be endowed with supernatural powers and psychic faculties and self-mastery by reason of which he will be able to follow the noble paths that lead to the assemblages of the Buddhas, moving about as freely as he may wish. But his wishes will no longer be self-centered nor tainted by discrimination and attachment, for this transcendental personality is not his old body, but is the transcendental embodiment of his original vows of self-yielding in order to bring all beings to maturity.
The third kind of transcendental personality is so ineffable that it is able to attain intuitions of the Dharmakaya, that is, it attains intuitions of the boundless and inscrutable cognition of Universal Mind. As Bodhisattva-Mahasattvas attain the highest of the stages and become conversant with all the treasures to be realized in Noble Wisdom, they will attain this inconceivable transformation-body which is the true nature of all the Tathágatas past, present and future, and will participate in the blissful peace which pervades the Dharma of all the Buddhas. -
how do i realise noble wisdom
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If you practice what you have been taught you will awaken to our boundless, all pervading dharmakaya, also known as buddha nature. As for the rest, wait until you attain 3rd, 4th , 5th or 8th bhumi then we discuss. Its useless to discuss if haven even attain 1st bhumi, and you cannot jump stages.Originally posted by Cenarious:how do i realise noble wisdom -
what was i taught?
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oh gawdOriginally posted by Cenarious:what was i taught?
Just kidding. Anyway not so good to discuss in detail on open forum and may not be the path of everyone... but anyway,
Since that day you have already received fa wang fa, fa wang fa should become your natural state. Fa wang fa isn't practised, it isn't a method, it is a 'wu wei fa'. If you can just remain in this natural state, then you can 'guan tong' everything... even precepts, samadhi, wisdom is in it. Therefore master says, 'xiu1 xing2 bu ru xiu1 shen1' (cultivate moral conduct is better than cultivating our actions), 'xiu1 xing2 bu ru xiu1 xin1' (cultivating mind is better than cultivating moral conduct), 'xiu1 xin1 bu ru wu2 sheng4' (therefore birthlessness is our natural state, and is not called 'cultivation'/'xiu', is wu wei). We should maintain this natural state, which is to 'chi2' this 'fa', as far as possible in our lives. But most of us can't (maintain natural state throughout our living), so we can practise certain methods like meditation, chanting, etc... to gather strength. But if you can sit in your natural state, that is also 'methodless meditation', wu wei sitting. The difference between natural state and breathing mindfulness is that for breathing mindfulness, the awareness/mindfulness is on breathing, while natural state is 'whole awareness'. Sitting meditation is impt to keep as a habit (at least 30 min a day) especially those who 'chuan fa'. For me I still practise breathing mindfulness. If you received 'shi wei yi fa' you can practise that, that is also 'you wei fa' but you haven't receive and neither has I.
Furthermore I must say, this cultivation thing in Buddhism isn't just following methods... although depending, they may help. 8 Fold Path is not a method.. following certain methods gather strength but doesn't mean we will become enlightened just by that. Cultivation is the entire way of being, living the enlightened way. If you have any habits left, that is an opportunity to cultivate. If you meet someone and is angry, that is an opportunity to cultivate. When you are in a tense situation you can't just tell him 'excuse me, let me meditate for 5 minutes before continuing my argument'. -
i tot it says "transgender.."
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whats so special about keeping calm, so boring
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i cannot jump stages? in one sutra avalokiteshvara (iirc) said that on hearing a discourse from a buddha he jumped from 2nd to 8th bhumiOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:If you practice what you have been taught you will awaken to our boundless, all pervading dharmakaya, also known as buddha nature. As for the rest, wait until you attain 3rd, 4th , 5th or 8th bhumi then we discuss. Its useless to discuss if haven even attain 1st bhumi, and you cannot jump stages. -
where?Originally posted by Cenarious:i cannot jump stages? in one sutra avalokiteshvara (iirc) said that on hearing a discourse from a buddha he jumped from 2nd to 8th bhumi -
not just calm. practise is to transform, 'tiao fu' the anger. transform it to wisdom. the article by nai min mentioned about 'tiao fu'Originally posted by Cenarious:whats so special about keeping calm, so boring
other than being a big help in arguing -
in one sutra where one bodhisatva like took over the seminar from buddha at the start and gave a teaching to the assemblyOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:where? -
whereOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:not just calm. practise is to transform, 'tiao fu' the anger. transform it to wisdom. the article by nai min mentioned about 'tiao fu' -
8.doc and 9.doc. his practise diary?Originally posted by Cenarious:where -
I dunno about that. You have to ask the Bodhisattva but as far as I know the stages has to be gradually attained and takes a very long time of practise and also perfection of the paramitas.Originally posted by Cenarious:in one sutra where one bodhisatva like took over the seminar from buddha at the start and gave a teaching to the assembly -
i tell you what since you got so many questions and i am not a good practitioner, why dont u find li zhu lao shi yourself and ask her?Originally posted by Cenarious:where -
i dont accumulate qns i just post them when a qn arisesOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:i tell you what since you got so many questions and i am not a good practitioner, why dont u find li zhu lao shi yourself and ask her? -
ask the bodhisatva??Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I dunno about that. You have to ask the Bodhisattva but as far as I know the stages has to be gradually attained and takes a very long time of practise and also perfection of the paramitas. -
time to accumulate them and ask. so u will receive dharma advise that is more reliable.Originally posted by Cenarious:i dont accumulate qns i just post them when a qn arises -
By the way my last piece of advise here. Don't think too much about these cos it doesn't help.Originally posted by Cenarious:what do i do to get it faster -
Arguing correctly is wisdom. I always win because I always have the right views. I don't have anger when I argue.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:not just calm. practise is to transform, 'tiao fu' the anger. transform it to wisdom. the article by nai min mentioned about 'tiao fu' -
There is no transformation then, it just happens that you didn't get angry.Originally posted by Cenarious:Arguing correctly is wisdom. I always win because I always have the right views. I don't have anger when I argue. -
If winning is so important to you, probably you've not understood the right way.Originally posted by Cenarious:Arguing correctly is wisdom. I always win because I always have the right views. I don't have anger when I argue. -
I never said it was important. However if I speak the truth then I automatically win.Originally posted by kaister:If winning is so important to you, probably you've not understood the right way.
And if one speaks the truth and still gets owned then it is time to rethink about his stand.