Any HOLY Arahat in tis tiny Earth?
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Any Enlightenment one in tis century?
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I guess d answer is ' NO ' ......
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In Orthodox Dharma Age, many genuine Arahats. In Image/Semblance Age, still got. now in Dharma ending age...4th stage arahat in person, i don't think so. 3rd stage anagamin, should have.
however i think manifested bodhisattvas returners got quite a few.
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Yes the 'Orthodox Dharma Age' we can see at least thousands of arhats even in the Buddha's era alone.Originally posted by sinweiy:In Orthodox Dharma Age, many genuine Arahats. In Image/Semblance Age, still got. now in Dharma ending age...4th stage arahat in person, i don't think so. 3rd stage anagamin, should have.
however i think manifested bodhisattvas returners got quite a few.
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But now still have. Ajahn Mun, Ajahn Chah, Ajahn Maha Boowa are just some of the few. There are many others who are perhaps less well known or did not announce their attainments.
And yes, there are alot of them who have attained 1st, 2nd, and 3rd stage of Arhat. And anyway some of us in the forum are also highly realised...
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Sadly newsOriginally posted by sinweiy:In Orthodox Dharma Age, many genuine Arahats. In Image/Semblance Age, still got. now in Dharma ending age...4th stage arahat in person, i don't think so. 3rd stage anagamin, should have.
however i think manifested bodhisattvas returners got quite a few.
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Only manifested bodhisattvas returners!
....Couldn't find any ' Enlightenment one ' ......
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........they are all arhats....
..hmm....Arhats...Are they...???But now still have. Ajahn Mun, Ajahn Chah, Ajahn Maha Boowa are just some of the few. There are many others who are perhaps less well known or did not announce their attainments.
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In Dharma ending age,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes the 'Orthodox Dharma Age' we can see at least thousands of arhats even in the Buddha's era alone.
But now still have. Ajahn Mun, Ajahn Chah, Ajahn Maha Boowa are just some of the few. There are many others who are perhaps less well known or did not announce their attainments.
And yes, there are alot of them who have attained 1st, 2nd, and 3rd stage of Arhat. And anyway some of us in the forum are also highly realised... (not me la of course)
Still have Arhat ard... -
for info :
The commentaries on the Vinaya Pitaka[49] and the Anguttara-nikaya[50] say that the eight important rules which the Buddha gave to the Bhikkhuni Sangha will make his Teachings last for five thousand years rather than five hundred. There will be one thousand years for Arahats who attain analytical insight, one thousand years for Arahats without those attainments, one thousand years for Non-returners, one thousand years for Once-returners, and one thousand years for Stream-winners. After these five thousand years of penetration of the true Doctrine (pativedha-sadhamma),[51] the accomplishment in the texts (pariyatti-dhamma) will remain. After the accomplishment in the texts disappears, the signs (linga) will continue for a long time.
http://www.ubakhin.com/uchittin/arimet/ARIMET03.html
so there are 2 kinds of arahats, with or w/o analytical insight. the really genuine ones are much insightful.
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Yes. There are many today who continue to have a deep insight into the reality of No-Self, and with such insights he will break the 3 fetters of Sceptical Doubt, Belief in existence of a 'self', and attachment to Superstitions, Wrongly rituals and rites, etc. Then as he breaks more fetters he will advance to 2nd, 3rd, stage of Arhat and finally when all fetters are destroyed he attains 4th stage. It is very likely that one or more Non-returner (3rd stage) or higher practitioners have visited this forum.Originally posted by Owl^:In Dharma ending age,
Still have Arhat ard...
As per Mahayana's understanding, for Bodhisattvas, many Bodhisattvas around are also enlightened and liberated, although they purposely stay in samsara to carry out his vows - saving sentient beings, perfect his paramitas, practising to attain complete and perfect Buddhahood. At which point in time is a Bodhisattva liberated from samsara may depend on one's understanding. According to Lankavatara Sutra, an Arhat reaches an equivalent of the 6th Bhumi. There are altogether 10 Bhumis before Buddhahood, and there are many bodhisattvas around who are of various bhumis.
And welcome back to sgForums, long time no see. You must be one of those form the 'psychic forum' (at least you sounded like)Diamond Sutra:
Oh Conqueror, what will happen in the future, in the days of the last five hundred, when the holy Dharma is approaching its final destruction? How could anyone of those times ever see accurately the meaning of the explanations given in sutras such as this one?
And the Conqueror bespoke,Oh Subhuti, you should never ask the question you have just asked: "What will happen in the future, in the days of the last five hundred, when the Dharma is approaching its final destruction? How could anyone of those times ever see accurately the meaning of the explanations given in sutras such as this one?"
And again the Buddha bespoke,
Oh Subhuti, in the future, in the days of the last five hundred, when the holy Dharma is approaching its final destruction, there will come bodhisattvas who are great beings, who possess morality, who possess the fine quality, and who possess wisdom.
And these bodhisattvas who are great beings, oh Subhuti, will not be ones who have rendered honor to a single Buddha, or who have collected stores of virtue with a single Buddha. Instead, oh Subhuti, they will be ones who have rendered honor to many hundreds of thousands of Buddhas, and who have collected stores of virtue with many hundreds of thousands of Buddhas. Such are the bodhisattvas, the great beings, who then will come. -
hmm... ..AEN's post think they are at the level of arahats....my post think they are at the level of non-returners. so my level of genuine arhats must be even higher.
i know non-returners standard are able to write or comment sutras already.
maybe genuine arahats have spiritual powers wan...
even more amazing insights i think.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:And welcome back to sgForums, long time no see. You must be one of those form the 'psychic forum' (at least you sounded like)
hi, long no see u....
ICCCccccc.....Tks a lot.
Psychic forum...U mean fr X-factor forum ar....hehee
I'm not psychic la,only a wanderer in tis sg.forums -
Actually according to Mahayana and Lankavatara Sutra (different terminologies used here)... all so called Arhant are called once-returners (6th Bhumi), because they have to return and attain the 7th Bhumi Bodhisattva (non-returner), and then practise until eventually attain Buddhahood. But not so in Theravada Buddhism. But I think not so important, they are all noble beings we should learn fromOriginally posted by sinweiy:hmm... ..AEN's post think they are at the level of arahats....my post think they are at the level of non-returners. so my level of arhats must be even higher.
i know non-returners standard are able to write or comment sutras already.
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Hehe no probOriginally posted by Owl^:
hi, long no see u....
ICCCccccc.....Tks a lot.
Psychic forum...U mean fr X-factor forum ar....hehee
I'm not psychic la,only a wanderer in tis sg.forums -
so my fren ,wats ur likes in the practice arena ?Originally posted by Owl^:
hi, long no see u....
ICCCccccc.....Tks a lot.
Psychic forum...U mean fr X-factor forum ar....hehee
I'm not psychic la,only a wanderer in tis sg.forums
to work hard to salvate yourself or work hard to salvate others as well ? -
HiOriginally posted by bohiruci:so my fren ,wats ur likes in the practice arena ?
to work hard to salvate yourself or work hard to salvate others as well ?
Glad to see ya...a kind soul
you've been very very very very patience to an owl
i'm just a wanderer la...still thinking....still...
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interesting bio of Ajahn Mun:
http://www.thedragonscave.org/archives/tdc/buddhist/pdf/acariya-mun.pdf
The biographer has first of all revealed that Ajahn Mun was a non-returner, anagami (p44-45). He says that Ajahn Mun had told only his closest disciples that he was an anagami at that time but the biographer has chosen to reveal this in the book. but later also tho that He reached Arahantship in the latest years. hmm..
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another page.
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Yes there is Arahat now and they are living on this world. Their Arahatship is only disclosed to close disciple. Most Arahat do not want to mislead people of their achievement.
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sometimes a Come-back Bodhisattva who returns as an arahat, would be considered an arahat to the hinayana. while to mahayana, a bodhisattva. ordinary considered them as only bright-eyed, aborable children (see pg 183 on Ajahn Mun bio).
for info on jian4, si1 huo4:Eighty-Eight Deluded Viewpoints
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhism/BuddhistDict/BDE.html
"There are Eighty-Eight Deluded Views, which are suddenly eradicated, and Eighty-One Cognitive Delusions (see entry), which are gradually eliminated.
"There are ten basic deluded views which manifest themselves in relation to the Four Holy Truths in each of the Three Worlds-desire, form, and formless. The ten are greed, hatred, stupidity, arrogance, doubt, the view of (bodily) self, one-sided views, deviant views, the view of being attached to views, and the view of grasping (non-beneficial) prohibitive precepts.
"In the world of desire, all ten operate in relationship to the Truth of Suffering, while seven (all except the view of self, one-sided views, and the view of grasping prohibitive precepts) operate in relation to the Truths of Accumulating and Cessation, and eight (all except the view of self and one-sided views) operate in relation to the Truth of the Path. In the form and formless worlds the relationship of the delusions to the Truths follows the same order with the exception of hatred in relation to all four Truths, since hatred must be eliminated before one can enter . Thirty-two deluded views in the world of desire, twenty eight in the world of form, and twenty-eight in the formless world total eighty-eight. . . .
"Upon eliminating the Eighty-Eight Deluded Views, one becomes a first-stage Arhat (Skt. , Stream-winner)." (HS 123 124)
Eighty-One Cognitive Delusions
"There are nine degrees of cognitive delusions, which manifest themselves on nine separate grounds. The nine degrees are simply the higher superior, the higher intermediate, and the higher inferior; the middle superior, the middle intermediate, and the middle inferior; the lower superior, the lower intermediate, and the lower inferior. The Nine Grounds are the Five Destinies [=Six Paths of Rebirth minus ], which comprise the first ground, the Four Dhyanas, and the Four Formless Samadhis. . . . Upon eliminating the first six degrees of the first ground, one becomes a second stage Arhat (Skt. , Once-Returner). Upon eliminating the final three degrees of the first ground, one becomes a third stage Arhat (Skt. , Never-Returner). When all the remaining seventy-two are eliminated, one becomes a fourth stage Arhat (Skt. ). sometimes only the fourth stage is referred to as Arhatship." (HS 124)
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