so in conclusion buddhism can be summarised as
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Reference to "bu xiang yi xing fa - 24 kind, exist yet not exist...like time or space.they are abstruct. but still they are from xin xin shuo sheng fa (mind create). " You telling me they don't exist? They exist in relative form yet, if they don't exist materially, then we don't exist so they are not mind created.Originally posted by sinweiy:100 fa ming men have 5 types:
1) xin fa (mind dharma) - 8 consciousness
2) xin shuo fa (the working of mind) = 50 kind
3) se fa(form dharma) - 11 kind, 5 sense organ(mind is included in type 1), 6 chen/senses (eg smell etc).
4) bu xiang yi xing fa - 24 kind, exist yet not exist...like time or space.they are abstruct. but still they are from xin xin shuo sheng fa (mind create).
5) wu wei fa - bu sheng bu mia (neither born nor destroy).
1-4 are you wei fa(continuos). you wei fa got 94. wu wei got 6.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
it mean time and space is illusory, yes. Einstein got proof before. space and time is relative. like example when u are happy, time is faster. when unhappy, time is slower. happy or unhappy is mind create.
Reference to "bu xiang yi xing fa - 24 kind, exist yet not exist...like time or space.they are abstruct. but still they are from xin xin shuo sheng fa (mind create). " You telling me they don't exist? They exist in relative form yet, if they don't exist materially, then we don't exist so they are not mind created.
Prove to me that souls cannot be born nor be destroyed. For that matter, prove to me souls exist.
bu xiang yi xing fa is not soul.
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Which is false knowledge? Yes, to treat the experience of luminosity as a source hiding somewhere is the wrong way of understanding God/Brahman. Only through realising dependent origination, and through direct experience (see thusness's six stages of experience) will one fully understand its nature. Not understanding as in knowledge or theory, because nothing at this level can be grasped by the gross mind. The gross mind only understands things intellectually but never intuitively. Although countless mystics have experienced the 'true experience' that is beyond all description although you may call it 'God' or 'absolute', which cannot be doubted when experienced because it is more real than real, many are blinded by this transcendental experience and fail to see its true nature... And tightly cling onto the formless. The wise neither clings to form nor formless.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Or false knowledge?
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
i thought buddhism would be more like quantum physics where energy is also empty
got different.
it's more like "flux of energy".
ref:
The Buddha said, 'The body, O monks, is not the Self. Sensation is not the Self. Perception is not the Self. The mental constructions are not the Self. And neither is consciousness the Self. Perceiving this, O monks, the disciple sets no value on the body, or on sensation, or on perception, or on mental constructions, or on consciousness. Setting no value of them, he becomes free of passions and he is liberated. The knowledge of liberation arises there within him. And then he knows that he has done what has to be done, that he has lived the holy life, that he is no longer becoming this or that, that his rebirth is destroyed.' (Anatta-Lakkhana Sutta).
The Anatta doctrine of the Buddha is over 2500 years old. Today the thought current of the modern scientific world is flowing towards the Buddha's Teaching of Anatta or No-Soul. In the eyes of the modern scientists, man is merely a bundle of ever-changing sensations. [b]Modern physicists say that the apparently solid universe is not, in reality, composed of solid substance at all, but actually a flux of energy. The modern physicist sees the whole universe as a process of transformation of various forces of which man is a mere part. The Buddha was the first to realize this.
Soul-Theories
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/115.htm
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
ermm..soul is from x'tian (etc), rather than from buddhism, so u would have to ask the x'tian. we never say soul exist let alone say it cannot be born nor be destroyed.
Prove to me that souls cannot be born nor be destroyed. For that matter, prove to me souls exist.
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Originally posted by Cenarious:
empty until what level?
i thought buddhism would be more like quantum physics where energy is also empty
hope it's not until nothingness.
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Can explain why ?Originally posted by sinweiy:someone asked Monk Bu Dai, what's Buddhadharma/Buddhism?
Monk Bu Dai put down His bag(bu dai).
then the person asked afther that what do you do?
Monk Bu Dai took the bag up and left.
now this is very interesting, regarding the re-picking up!
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Then what's reincarnation about? Isn't it about souls?Originally posted by sinweiy:ermm..soul is from x'tian (etc), rather than from buddhism, so u would have to ask the x'tian. we never say soul exist let alone say it cannot be born nor be destroyed.
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Einstein proved that time and space are relative to events occuring not emotion.Originally posted by sinweiy:it mean time and space is illusory, yes. Einstein got proof before. space and time is relative. like example when u are happy, time is faster. when unhappy, time is slower. happy or unhappy is mind create.
bu xiang yi xing fa is not soul.
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quote:
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
someone asked Monk Bu Dai, what's Buddhadharma/Buddhism?
Monk Bu Dai put down His bag(bu dai).
then the person asked afther that what do you do?
Monk Bu Dai took the bag up and left.
now this is very interesting, regarding the re-picking up!
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Can explain why ?
mmm i was wondering if i got the zen meaning right..
nang de ji, fang de xiao.. fang de xiao, nang de ji ?
u see it nw and nw u don't see it?
why he left after picking up that ? -
it does sound like the "relatively concepts". Remind me of my mechanics theory in year 2, displacement and relatively of time and all there..Originally posted by sinweiy:it mean time and space is illusory, yes. Einstein got proof before. space and time is relative. like example when u are happy, time is faster. when unhappy, time is slower. happy or unhappy is mind create.
bu xiang yi xing fa is not soul.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
never the less, we say abt your own experience. like Isis asked, u ever experienced thiz Phenomena of time is sometime slow, sometime fast before ???
Einstein proved that time and space are relative to events occuring not emotion.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
don't mind read first the :
Then what's reincarnation about? Isn't it about souls?[/b]
Soul-Theories
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/115.htm
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Originally posted by Isis:
i think it got to do with 'du zhong sheng' (delivering sentient beings). 'pick up' the dharma to help liberate others.
Can explain why ?
mmm i was wondering if i got the zen meaning right..
nang de ji, fang de xiao.. fang de xiao, nang de ji ?
u see it nw and nw u don't see it?
why he left after picking up that ?
we said The Four Universal Bodhisattva Vows:
However Innumerable Beings Are, I Vow to Save Them.
However Inexhaustable the Defilements Are, I Vow to Extinguish Them.
However Immearurable the Dharmas Are, I Vow to Master Them.
However Unsurpassable the Buddha-Way is, I Vow to Attain It.
have completed #2 of letting go, they are already mentally ready in Concentration, and can even say they are enlightened, hence #3 is 'picking up' of tips of Immearurable Dharmas so as to fulfil vow #1 and eventually #4 per se.
imho,
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Your link doesn't help much in terms of relationship between reincarnation and souls. It was a thesis explaining why souls doesn't exist.Originally posted by sinweiy:don't mind read first the :
Soul-Theories
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/115.htm
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No, in buddhism there is no concept of self or soul. There is no self and therefore no reincarnation. Do look into the topic stickied by neutral onliner "is rebirth NOT reincarnation"Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Then what's reincarnation about? Isn't it about souls? -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
'reincarnation' is Hinduism, that also have the concept of souls, going from one body to the next.
Then what's reincarnation about? Isn't it about souls?
Your link doesn't help much in terms of relationship between reincarnation and souls. It was a thesis explaining why souls doesn't exist.
Buddhism is 'rebirth' with more detail and scientific explaination. like our skin cell come into being and die off, new cell come into being.
it's more like formation/destruction of solid substance in the universe and just changing flux of energy. while soul concept think there's a Permanant and stop changing godhood, something like that.
mere idea of 'reincarnation' and 'soul' is too shallow an understanding of ordinally people without real wisdom. need to study deeper.
or can try the main page:
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/main.htm there got many links.
one of the link got:
Rebirth
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/96.htm
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No, I have not experienced it before. Maybe because I am such a emotionless person.Originally posted by sinweiy:never the less, we say abt your own experience. like Isis asked, u ever experienced thiz Phenomena of time is sometime slow, sometime fast before ???
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ok good, remain emotionless all your life.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:No, I have not experienced it before. Maybe because I am such a emotionless person. -
Thank you.Originally posted by Cenarious:ok good, remain emotionless all your life. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
never mind. i think Einstein's fomula of e=mc^2. if one can travel faster than speed of light. time can also be slower.
No, I have not experienced it before. Maybe because I am such a emotionless person.[/b]
or theory on Time dilation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
Time is some wat like rubber band.
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But if you refer back to Planck's theory of mass and velocity limitation, you realise that it is impossible for it to happen. Only a matter without mass have infinite velocity.Originally posted by sinweiy:never mind. i think Einstein's fomula of e=mc^2. if one can travel faster than speed of light. time can also be slower.
or theory on Time dilation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
Time is some wat like rubber band.
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does mind have mass? exactly.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:But if you refer back to Planck's theory of mass and velocity limitation, you realise that it is impossible for it to happen. Only a matter without mass have infinite velocity. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
i am no expert in Physic, but found this regarding the "experience of time slowing" of a person in a spaceship.
But if you refer back to Planck's theory of mass and velocity limitation, you realise that it is impossible for it to happen. Only a matter without mass have infinite velocity.
from the Physics expert, QnA:
http://experts.about.com/q/Physics-1358/Time-travel.htmQuestion
some "abstruct" illusions there.
If a spaceship is traveling at the
speed of light and time is slowing so
say how does the spaceship travel the
186,000 miles in a second?
Answer
First of all, let's change your question to "spaceship is traveling CLOSE to the speed of light". Anything with mass can not travel at that high a speed.
Now let's explain what we mean when we say "time is slowing." The situation is as follows:
Someone is in a spaceship. I won't say "standing still" because one of Einstein's postulates is that motion can only be described as relative to something else, so you can say that the person is standing still relative to the spaceship she is in.
Anyway, she sees another spaceship going by at 99% of the speed of light IN HER REST FRAME. She looks at the ruler, the clock, and the kilogram weight on that ship. She says "How odd: the clock in that spaceship is going slow, that ruler is too short, and that mass is more than a kilogram."
Meanwhile, the person in the second spaceship looks at the clock, the ruler, and the kilogram weight in the first spaceship. HE says "How odd: the clock in the ship stationary to the stars is going slow, the ruler is too short, and that mass is more than a kilogram."
It's important to emphasize that BOTH people are correct in how they view the other's measuring devices: in THEIR own frame. If you make the first postulate (No way to tell if you are moving or standing still EXCEPT relative to something else) AND the second -- No matter what frame you are in, light will always be measured as traveling at the same speed -- and then do the math, you get these results. It's a bit confusing, I admit, but experiments have shown this is what happens.
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Provided you can survive at that kind of speeds for it to happen.Originally posted by sinweiy:some "abstruct" illusions there.
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