so in conclusion buddhism can be summarised as
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can you also stop wanking for the rest of your life?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Thank you. -
Excuse me, I never wanked before.Originally posted by Cenarious:can you also stop wanking for the rest of your life? -
wow good, but how old are you?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Excuse me, I never wanked before. -
30s...Originally posted by Cenarious:wow good, but how old are you? -
AmazingOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:30s...
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What's so amazing? That's my psychological makeup.Originally posted by Cenarious:Amazing -
Which is matter, mind or thought?Originally posted by Cenarious:does mind have mass? exactly. -
mind is made up of thoughtsOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Which is matter, mind or thought? -
When I take out your mind, I can see your thoughts? Or will I see brain matter?Originally posted by Cenarious:mind is made up of thoughts -
Both wrong. Mind can't be taken out.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:When I take out your mind, I can see your thoughts? Or will I see brain matter? -
In Buddhism, mind is a faculty (6th consciousness) in which gives attentions to mind objects. Whenever a thought is attended, objectified, 'thinking' happens and consciousness arises. The very nature of this consciousness is pure awareness, although due to dualistic discrimination, consciousness arises.Originally posted by Cenarious:mind is made up of thoughtshttp://www.diamondway.org/usa/3shamar_change2.php
the momentary mind
The sixth consciousness, the mental faculty, has for its object any knowable thing. This is known as the momentary mind, whose subtle sensory faculty is mental in nature. It is called the momentary mind because it occurs each moment mental cognition begins or ceases. This moment allows mental perception to occur; it is the space between consciousness and its object. This is like a space between one's face and a mirror, without which it would be impossible to see oneself. The momentary mind is the gap that separates consciousness and its object, the distance between them. However, it is not a vacuum, but something mental in nature. Through meditation it is possible for the mind to know its own sensory faculty.
The six sensory faculties, the six fragmentary consciousnesses belonging to them, and the six objects which stimulate them, all emerge from the fundamental consciousness and dissolve back into it like waves rising up and sinking into the ocean. All these eighteen different factors are mind's projections, including the so-called sensory objects, which have no material reality. In addition, these different factors exist only in relation to each other, and not independently in their own right.
How does this interdependent relationship of the sensory processes occur? Since beginningless time, out habitual behavior, derived from ignorance, has left traces that are stored in the fundamental consciousness. The fundamental consciousness fails to recognize its own true nature and takes itself and the five psycho-physical constituents (skandhas in Sanskrit) to be a 'self'. This mistaken belief causes the emotional afflictions to emerge, which then govern behavior. The self's actions are subject to the law of cause and effect, leaving traces or propensities that are stored in the fundamental consciousness until they ripen, producing the realm of perception that corresponds to that particular propensity. For example, if the potential for becoming a human being is stored in the fundamental consciousness, when this ripens, there will emerge the six sensory faculties, their six objects, and the six fragmentary consciousnesses proper to human existence.
The basis for perception of the world is the fragmentary consciousness of the mental faculty, or the momentary mind, because it is this which conceptualizes the objects received by the other five sensory faculties, retaining them, distinguishing one from the other, and then inclining towards or away from them. This is one kind of attachment. Another kind is that formed by the emotionally afflicted mind. The nature of the emotional mind is the same as that of the momentary mind, although the ensuing attachment happens in a slightly different way. -
Then what is true?Originally posted by An Eternal Now: -
Thanks for the sharing.... 'I am' currently embarking onto a new stage... and this article seems to correlates.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:In Buddhism, mind is a faculty (6th consciousness) in which gives attentions to mind objects. Whenever a thought is attended, objectified, 'thinking' happens and consciousness arises. The very nature of this consciousness is pure awareness, although due to dualistic discrimination, consciousness arises.
quote:http://www.diamondway.org/usa/3shamar_change2.php
the momentary mind
The sixth consciousness, the mental faculty, has for its object any knowable thing. This is known as the momentary mind, whose subtle sensory faculty is mental in nature. It is called the momentary mind because it occurs each moment mental cognition begins or ceases. This moment allows mental perception to occur; it is the space between consciousness and its object. This is like a space between one's face and a mirror, without which it would be impossible to see oneself. The momentary mind is the gap that separates consciousness and its object, the distance between them. However, it is not a vacuum, but something mental in nature. Through meditation it is possible for the mind to know its own sensory faculty.
The six sensory faculties, the six fragmentary consciousnesses belonging to them, and the six objects which stimulate them, all emerge from the fundamental consciousness and dissolve back into it like waves rising up and sinking into the ocean. All these eighteen different factors are mind's projections, including the so-called sensory objects, which have no material reality. In addition, these different factors exist only in relation to each other, and not independently in their own right.
How does this interdependent relationship of the sensory processes occur? Since beginningless time, out habitual behavior, derived from ignorance, has left traces that are stored in the fundamental consciousness. The fundamental consciousness fails to recognize its own true nature and takes itself and the five psycho-physical constituents (skandhas in Sanskrit) to be a 'self'. This mistaken belief causes the emotional afflictions to emerge, which then govern behavior. The self's actions are subject to the law of cause and effect, leaving traces or propensities that are stored in the fundamental consciousness until they ripen, producing the realm of perception that corresponds to that particular propensity. For example, if the potential for becoming a human being is stored in the fundamental consciousness, when this ripens, there will emerge the six sensory faculties, their six objects, and the six fragmentary consciousnesses proper to human existence.
The basis for perception of the world is the fragmentary consciousness of the mental faculty, or the momentary mind, because it is this which conceptualizes the objects received by the other five sensory faculties, retaining them, distinguishing one from the other, and then inclining towards or away from them. This is one kind of attachment. Another kind is that formed by the emotionally afflicted mind. The nature of the emotional mind is the same as that of the momentary mind, although the ensuing attachment happens in a slightly different way.
'I am' now, at times, seeing how mind cognate and sees 'things' and 'individual'. This is an unconscious gripping habit that forms concepts from perceptions that are derive from the other streams that forms the sensory data... all of which are 'streams' of cause and effects.
For, in truth, there are no things and no individuals. Just as there is no 'you' as a self, there are no others as 'self' too. It is the amazing cogniting functions of mind that 'illusionate' and conceptualises perceptions into things, environment and individuals.
In truth, there is only one Universal Mind...and 'beyond/without' the cognition of mind that is no 'purpose'. ' Purpose' or meaning are all conceptualised at the cognitive level... that is why... the deeper state of nature cannot be known through discussion and arguing... because all these activities are operating at the conceptual and cognitive level.
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Nope.Buddha reject the theory of souls.Of all religions and philosophies in the world, only two,reject the theory of soul.One is Buddhism and the other is the world view of modern science.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Then what's reincarnation about? Isn't it about souls? -
Thanks for sharing your insightsOriginally posted by longchen:Thanks for the sharing.... 'I am' currently embarking onto a new stage... and this article seems to correlates.
'I am' now, at times, seeing how mind cognate and sees 'things' and 'individual'. This is an unconscious gripping habit that forms concepts from perceptions that are derive from the other streams that forms the sensory data... all of which are 'streams' of cause and effects.
For, in truth, there are no things and no individuals. Just as there is no 'you' as a self, there are no others as 'self' too. It is the amazing cogniting functions of mind that 'illusionate' and conceptualises perceptions into things, environment and individuals.
In truth, there is only one Universal Mind...and 'beyond/without' the cognition of mind that is no 'purpose'. ' Purpose' or meaning are all conceptualised at the cognitive level... that is why... the deeper state of nature cannot be known through discussion and arguing... because all these activities are operating at the conceptual and cognitive level.
Just my opinion...please read with discernment... thanks.
hmm i just saw this quote in another forum few days ago,
“There is more information in one thimble of reality
than can be understood by a galaxy of human brains. It is
beyond the human brain to understand the world and its
environment, so the brain compensates by creating simplified
illusions that act as a replacement for understanding.
When the illusions work well and the human who subscribes
to the illusion survives, those illusions are passed to new
generations.
“The human brain is a delusion generator.
The delusions
are fueled by arrogance—the arrogance that humans are the
center of the world, that we alone are endowed with the magical
properties of souls and morality and free will and love. We
presume that an omnipotent God has a unique interest in our
progress and activities while providing all the rest of creation
for our playground. We believe that God—because he thinks
the same way we do—must be more interested in our lives
than in the rocks and trees and plants and animals.”
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As I have explained to Cenarious, mind is a faculty that is conscious. Consciousness is in itself formless and is conscious of form.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Then what is true?
The fact that the mind is formless means that it is unconstrained, and hence has immense potential. The mind can comprehend all objects including its own creations. The description of the root mind as 'formless' doesn't just refer to its non-material nature, but it emphasises that it is unlimited, non-mechanistic and totally free from any structure or topology. So it it is free from steps, loops, branches, strings, tables, stacks, queues, datastructures and all the other algorithmic constraints . In Buddhist psychology the root mind is non-physical and non-algorithmic. The mind cannot be understood in terms of circuit diagrams and flowcharts. It is pure awareness. -
I think Ken Wilber said something about the relation between mind and brain in the Brief History of Everything.. would appreciate if you can post it here. I think got to do with the 4 quadrants. I don't have the book with me now.Originally posted by Cenarious:mind is made up of thoughts -
sorry just to correct certain things i said about consciousness cos i think my explanation not adequate. Awareness is not only formless, its nature is empty... It is completely empty. Not knowing this, the 'formless' source can be an object of clinging. This awareness is also not separate from form, otherwise it would be dualistic. It is not separate from conditions.. Neither is it equal to its conditions. Not two, not one. Being non dualistic it is completely beyond the mind's ability to comprehend, because the mind functions in dualistic ways. It can only be experienced through mindfulness.
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purpose has to do with habit-energy isn't it? no habit-energy means no purpose right?Originally posted by longchen:Thanks for the sharing.... 'I am' currently embarking onto a new stage... and this article seems to correlates.
'I am' now, at times, seeing how mind cognate and sees 'things' and 'individual'. This is an unconscious gripping habit that forms concepts from perceptions that are derive from the other streams that forms the sensory data... all of which are 'streams' of cause and effects.
For, in truth, there are no things and no individuals. Just as there is no 'you' as a self, there are no others as 'self' too. It is the amazing cogniting functions of mind that 'illusionate' and conceptualises perceptions into things, environment and individuals.
In truth, there is only one Universal Mind...and 'beyond/without' the cognition of mind that is no 'purpose'. ' Purpose' or meaning are all conceptualised at the cognitive level... that is why... the deeper state of nature cannot be known through discussion and arguing... because all these activities are operating at the conceptual and cognitive level.
Just my opinion...please read with discernment... thanks. -
You play computer game?Originally posted by Cenarious:purpose has to do with habit-energy isn't it? no habit-energy means no purpose right?
We know the computer game is just a game. But when we are playing we try to better the opponent and survive. When you are playing the game... the game is so exciting and real and you try your very best to survive.... the game has a lot of meaning for you. If you don't understand the game... you watch the game and you do not feel anything at all...
understand?
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thats habit energy getting you to become excited after understanding the game isnt it, and all your reactions, or even playing the gameOriginally posted by longchen:You play computer game?
We know the computer game is just a game. But when we are playing we try to better the opponent and survive. When you are playing the game... the game is so exciting and real and you try your very best to survive.... the game has a lot of meaning for you. If you don't understand the game... you watch the game and you do not feel anything at all...
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Yah... something like that.Originally posted by Cenarious:thats habit energy getting you to become excited after understanding the game isnt it, and all your reactions, or even playing the game -
so i can realise quantum physics with my bare mind after that??!?!Originally posted by longchen:Yah... something like that. -
Dunno about the quantum physics partOriginally posted by Cenarious:so i can realise quantum physics with my bare mind after that??!?!
But if you can get to the point of an initial total bare mind...that is... no sensory perception and no thoughts...you will experience that the sense of being at a location (here-ness) is no more....
You will experience the amazing experience of infinity and all pervading-ness. that is being everywhere at the same time. And when you come back to your senses... you will say 'wow!'. The truth is so different from the everyday consciousness....
No point thinking too much.... it doesn't help. Get a first hand experience. -
Simi first hand experience... Can you make it clearer? Is it omnipresence?Originally posted by longchen:Dunno about the quantum physics part
But if you can get to the point of an initial total bare mind...that is... no sensory perception and no thoughts...you will experience that the sense of being at a location (here-ness) is no more....
You will experience the amazing experience of infinity and all pervading-ness. that is being everywhere at the same time. And when you come back to your senses... you will say 'wow!'. The truth is so different from the everyday consciousness....
No point thinking too much.... it doesn't help. Get a first hand experience.