Will you visit the Casino?
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Maybe we should invite this casino_king character back...
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That's a good ideaOriginally posted by onceinabluemoon:Maybe we should invite this casino_king character back...
i'll send him an email. -
mm i did study a little bit about marketing bt then i thought there has always been social stigma that gambling is bad. Such marketing gimmicks might not be as powerful as u think they are as they also need to overcome cultural barriers, family values and mindset of people. Couldn't it be depends on whether if ur children have been taught of these values...Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:I think you have missed an important aspect. The whole idea of building a resort next to the casino is to "fool" people into associating gambling with "fun"
When parents or schools bring children to the casino's theme parks, they are selling to the children th idea that gambling is "fun" by association.
You need to have studied marketing or advertising to appreciate this point.
That you yourself had visited Genting and do not associate gambling with "fun" does not mean the there will not be many that do.
Advertisers do not expect everyone to buy their message. The know, however, many will.
If you worry about children associate with gambling as fun, then the only way to counter-act this is by educate them.
Eventually, if many social problems are really created by gambling, people will start wake up from this idea that gambling is fun but also very harmful.
Anyway the IR is really going to be built. It is inevitable. Even if singapore don't have an IR. There are other parts of the world that have such things and what can we do about it? -
mmmmmmmmmOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:That's a good idea i'll send him an email.
i tot there is a clone of casino_king..... beginning with a letter H?
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Yup... other countries also build IR.... and other countries are seeing the bad effects now... really bad.Originally posted by Isis:mm i did study a little bit about marketing bt then i thought there has always been social stigma that gambling is bad. Such marketing gimmicks might not be as powerful as u think they are as they also need to overcome cultural barriers, family values and mindset of people. Couldn't it be depends on whether if ur children have been taught of these values...
If you worry about children associate with gambling as fun, then the only way to counter-act this is by educate them.
Eventually, if many social problems are really created by gambling, people will start wake up from this idea that gambling is fun but also very harmful.
Anyway the IR is really going to be built. It is inevitable. Even if singapore don't have an IR. There are other parts of the world that have such things and what can we do about it?
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Nope that's not him. I can assure you. Different character also. Also.. casino_king is younger. Two thirds the age of 'H'. 20+Originally posted by Isis:mmmmmmmmm
i tot there is a clone of casino_king..... beginning with a letter H? Casino didn't say how old he is... but I know 
keke
Maybe onceinabluemoon is casino_king's clone Anti-PAP (am i right onceinabluemoon?) and anti-casino. 
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Like EN said, there is no need to wait and see... we can just study the effects in the other countries.Originally posted by Isis:mm i did study a little bit about marketing bt then i thought there has always been social stigma that gambling is bad. Such marketing gimmicks might not be as powerful as u think they are as they also need to overcome cultural barriers, family values and mindset of people. Couldn't it be depends on whether if ur children have been taught of these values...
If you worry about children associate with gambling as fun, then the only way to counter-act this is by educate them.
Eventually, if many social problems are really created by gambling, people will start wake up from this idea that gambling is fun but also very harmful.
Anyway the IR is really going to be built. It is inevitable. Even if singapore don't have an IR. There are other parts of the world that have such things and what can we do about it?
Furthermore, wait and see means that many would have been badly affected by then. Using people as guinea pigs; I wonder what Buddhism has to say about that? -
Onceinabluemoon .. u seems to be very worrying about the impact of Casino on ur children. May i ask how old are your children now?Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:Like EN said, there is no need to wait and see... we can just study the effects in the other countries.
Furthermore, wait and see means that many would have been badly affected by then. Using people as guinea pigs; I wonder what Buddhism has to say about that?
Yes the social effects are already obvious and prevalent in certain countries but then this also depends on how the government goes about handling this issue which differs among other countries... what we can all do now is to minimise this bad effects. Many people in this country are against casino and some are pro for it. However, the decision ultimately depends on singapore government and it has been already made.... nnless some twists of events changed the decision.
may i ask..... why did u wana ask what buddhism say about this ?
It is more like you are asking what are the views of buddhists on it ?
Probably, u should be asking how to i go about parenting my children and imparting the correct values to my children..
Different buddhist will have different views on whether will he or she visit the casino.
I do not agreed with gambling but then i am lay person in this society and I can't avoid all these issues. -
This is what buddha has said.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Sigalovada Sutta
(3) "What are the six channels for dissipating wealth which he does not pursue?
(a) "indulgence in intoxicants which cause infatuation and heedlessness;
(b) sauntering in streets at unseemly hours;
(c) frequenting theatrical shows;
(d) indulgence in gambling which causes heedlessness;
(e) association with evil companions;
(f) the habit of idleness.
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(d) "There are, young householder, these six evil consequences in indulging in gambling:
(i) the winner begets hate,
(ii) the loser grieves for lost wealth,
(iii) loss of wealth,
(iv) his word is not relied upon in a court of law,
(v) he is despised by his friends and associates,
(vi) he is not sought after for matrimony; for people would say he is a gambler and is not fit to look after a wife.
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To each, their own.
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I do not think compassion should stop at one's own children... other people and their children are human too...Originally posted by Isis:Onceinabluemoon .. u seems to be very worrying about the impact of Casino on ur children. May i ask how old are your children now?
Yes the social effects are already obvious and prevalent in certain countries but then this also depends on how the government goes about handling this issue which differs among other countries... what we can all do now is to minimise this bad effects. Many people in this country are against casino and some are pro for it. However, the decision ultimately depends on singapore government and it has been already made.... nnless some twists of events changed the decision.
may i ask..... why did u wana ask what buddhism say about this ?
It is more like you are asking what are the views of buddhists on it ?
Probably, u should be asking how to i go about parenting my children and imparting the correct values to my children..
Different buddhist will have different views on whether will he or she visit the casino.
I do not agreed with gambling but then i am lay person in this society and I can't avoid all these issues.
Since you did some marketing you should know about "positioning" "consumer behavior" "advertising and promotions"
You should understand the impact of building a resort around a casino.
Even though the gahman had made the decision, I am so afraid that Singaporeans come around to accept it as a good decision. Then the bad karma will fall on the nation and not just on the decisions makers. -
yea im afraid we will be creating bad karma not only for singaporean but also for tourists visting us. From an economist point of view, it might be good for us. If our economy falls, our society will also face alot of social problems.Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:I do not think compassion should stop at one's own children... other people and their children are human too...
Since you did some marketing you should know about "positioning" "consumer behavior" "advertising and promotions"
You should understand the impact of building a resort around a casino.
Even though the gahman had made the decision, I am so afraid that Singaporeans come around to accept it as a good decision. Then the bad karma will fall on the nation and not just on the decisions makers.
But nevertheless, without suffering, there will be no enlightenment. i will say let it be, nothing is permanent and so is singapore's good or bad karma/fortune.
If we can do something about it, do it but if we can't then we have to let it be.
Do u have any viable solution for a win-win solution? Singapore's current political situation does not seem to be listening to the people.
btw i think sociology should applies more on social behaviour and human behaviour, rather than marketing. correct me if im wrong. -
Yes, I'll, because of a lack of novelty in Singapore. Look what happened to Vivocity.
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is it wise to mix religious view with economic / political view? there are many things to worry about if one is worry about almost anything. a person (young or old) can be knocked down by a car, can be in accidents or fatal disaster like in sunami while going for holiday, or maybe one can even get cut by knives while preparing meal in kitchen or maybe children can lead to astray by mixing around with the wrong company... etc etc....
the big picture here is the IR in singapore this thread referring to right? well worries are not necessary when things have not motioned into life action. if one say if we stop it now then it might have a chance to prevent unforseen things to happen. well too late. please look at the time to stop the becoming of IR, not now but it should have been before during the board meeting & discussion (for those who are "worried / concerned" ).
for me - yes i will visit the casino, infact the IR that is to see what it brings. to indulge in gambling is not my practice. then for one who's worried, then how about maybe soccer betting / toto / 4d all also can stop. there are many things that is not possible to stop or change and also it is possible but before that lofty idea, maybe one should look at one's own current condition - family - education starts from home. -
The point is, do you think of it as "Good" or "Bad"? The IR
To accept something that is "Bad" as "Good"; what does Buddhism say about that?
After you have acknowledged that it is "good" or "bad"; what do you do about it?
What does Buddhism say when the Buddhist encounter something evil? What does Buddhism say if one is to ignore the evil, embrace the evil, indulge in the evil, associate with the evil, patronise the evil?
What does Buddhism say about disguised evil. An evil thing given clothing of good?
I am more interested in Buddhism's view more than than personal views... -
well perhaps i don't frequently label myself as a buddhist or dreamily boast that i have great buddhist values. whatever. what is a personal view vs a buddhist practice? was that "a personal view"??? i didn't realise that. shall i keep quiet and just let the island sink? hhhhmm....
good or bad is in the eyes of the beholder. to think it is good is also bad. to think it is bad is also good in disguise. how sure 100% that it is going to be bad or going to be good?
onceinabluemoon, your style is very "familiar". well perhaps you do know already what's good or bad. if you really wish to know from a buddhist's perspective, i'd recommend you the search by looking for a reliable dharma center or organization or the highly enligtened ones to answer your troubled queries.
like someone mentioned to each his own.
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Everybody's got their own views... what Buddhism say is better.
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oh i have something say about the IR thing. i do not really look at it as a main theme of gambling addicts or some unforseen bad consequences. well that is if anyone else can see from my angle.
there are the good & bad sides if a person wants to weigh the scale.
the bad - cos it gambling - lead to addiction, debts, sorry states, influential, other problems, etc.
the good side is - it brings in (money) for the country - in return that the state can use to improve further the livelihood of the nation, etc.
another good side is - (i'm a realtor & investor which is my business) with others in the same position as me, it is a big impact on the real estate industry which benefit both buyers & sellers (trade) & also the economics of the country & the region which it gives job for the other nationality to earn a living.
as bad as it may seem or can happen, it is also beneficial in other ways. to summarise or totalising it all that is bad or good is not an intelligent perspective & just because other "house" has shown bad example, doesn't mean we will follow suit or vice versa. like i mentioned education starts from home / school / commuinity / whatever else, the becoming is just turning into the right direction despite the hidden "dangers". you determine it, not others. say or talk so much also no use.
relax, most important is to have balanced view. i also have a kid, i might as well worried also or maybe not on the gambling side but worried when she'll lose her virginity or lead astray. compassion got many ways to do, doesn't mean you do this or that is called compassion. it comes from within, talk so much also cannot reflect compassion, so must do it without thinking it is for compassion sake.
all things are appreciated - both good & bad. good cos it benefits one & all; bad cos it strengthens you, teach you lesson, make you become a better person.
no worries....
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I highly doubt that Buddhist view is any better, there are just as many pros and cons for building a casino but visiting a casino will bring along a better view about professional gaming operations.Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:Everybody's got their own views... what Buddhism say is better. -
So in Buddhism there is no good or bad? Everything can be good or bad? If I kill somebody it might be good because he might be an evil person?
If I kill all the insects and animals in my house it might be good because the insects might cause diseases?
If your daughter is raped it might be good because that made the rapist happy?
I really don't get you. I think I rather hear what Buddhism or Buddhist scriptures say. -
is a "number game". but from buddhists' view, it surely is beyond conceptions or even the thought of anything is a game.Originally posted by :a casino will bring along a better view about professional gaming operations. -
perhaps you can expound more on the middle way for us to learn something. what you need to teach is what you need to learn "most".Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:So in Buddhism there is no good or bad? Everything can be good or bad? If I kill somebody it might be good because he might be an evil person?
If I kill all the insects and animals in my house it might be good because the insects might cause diseases?
If your daughter is raped it might be good because that made the rapist happy?
I really don't get you. I think I rather hear what Buddhism or Buddhist scriptures say. -
"Middle Way" does not refer to looking at everything as neither good or bad; neither here nor there...Originally posted by paperflower:perhaps you can expound more on the middle way for us to learn something. what you need to teach is what you need to learn "most". -
Stop cropping my postings. I meant about the operations aspect of the gaming industry, not the gambling.Originally posted by paperflower:is a "number game". but from buddhists' view, it surely is beyond conceptions or even the thought of anything is a game.
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go on.... reflect more on that.Originally posted by onceinabluemoon:"Middle Way" does not refer to looking at everything as neither good or bad; neither here nor there...
i can't tell you what's right or wrong, only you can turn the switch on.