can fate be changed?
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can fate/karma be changed?
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i donno the answer but i can share with you what i believe in..Fate is changeable if you believe..eg.if one is fated to be fat..but if one work hard to loss weight then i considered tha as changing fate..Some people may argued that losing weight is also fated...I don believed that Working hard and believing in yourself is the best so fated or not depends on yourself..So sucks it up and work hard....
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If you follow God then certain aspects of your fate cannot be changed. As God will allow Satan to send you troubles to test your faith.
On the other hand if you follow yourself, then your fate is in your own hands. -
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The First Lesson: Learning To Create Destiny
The Second Lesson: Ways to Reform
The Third Lesson: The Way to Cultivate Kindness
The Fourth Lesson: The Benefit of the Virtue of Humility
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There is no such thing as fate... is only karma. And yes, karma can be changed, if you think you have done something wrong, you can repent, do virtuous deeds, etc, and this will help overcome the karma. Chanting also helps...Originally posted by needhelp1234:can fate/karma be changed?
In the Mahayana tradition... it is actually possible to pray to the Buddhas and bodhisattvas for help. I'll summarise a little on what my dharma teacher said about this. This is called Skillful Means, and the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas is able to help in certain cases. It really depends on your situation... and what you pray for must be of right intentions, what you pray for must not contradict the dharma. For example if you pray to win big bucks from toto or gambling then of course you won't find that praying is helpful. Instead, the more you pray, the more you won't win. If say you are in financial crisis and you have a family to feed.. you really need money, and if you chant Namo Guan Shi Yin Pu Sa very often, very regularly, and pray for changes.. then you might indeed see a change of events.
However, it may not work in all cases. Because still it is your karma. The Buddhas/bodhisattvas can only help you have 'access' to these wholesome, virtuous seeds. So let's say you have $100 in your bank, if you are in crisis and you need some money, you pray to the Buddhas/bodhisattvas you may get some money from your bank (i.e the 8th consciousness, alaya consciousness). But if the money is used up (i.e the karma is used up) then even if you pray to Buddha/bodhisattva, they cannot help you.
So if you really didn't see much changes then perhaps it is because you do not have enough good karma. So it is important also, to be wholesome, do virtuous things, avoid unwholesome actions/speech/thoughts, this is to accumulate blessings. But that is not enough of course... because there is a saying by Buddha in accordance to a true story.. if you cultivate blessings and not wisdom, you will be reborn as a royal elephant (good karma but ignorant), and if you cultivate wisdom only but not blessings, even after you become Arhat (liberated person who attained Nirvana), the lay people do not give you alms to eat. So, meaning even if you are enlightened, on the material side you are poor.
But.. still for one who has wisdom, he completely every moment as it is, irregardless of the life situation around him. He is unaffected.. peaceful.. calm.. and joyful at all times. Therefore dharma practise is important, it allows us to be liberated and at peace, happy at all times.
p.s what kind of "fate" do you want to be changed?
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karma isn't stagnant and continuously changing ?
What is the nature of karma ? -
take the metaphysical layer away, i kinda figure it like this:
Event + Response = Outcome a.k.a., Fate
Response is mainly character/ personality - driven. So, you can change your Outcome/ Fate by changing your Response (character, perspective, personality) to the Event (random and unpredictable, no control over this)
And the practice of buddhism basically helps you change your Response to Events, thus changing your Outcome, Fate. -
Karma means action, volition, intention. Same meaning. And of course, like all conditioned phenomena, karma is constantly changing, constant flux.Originally posted by Isis:karma isn't stagnant and continuously changing ?
What is the nature of karma ? -
Yes in a way, change from unwholesome to wholesome action (karma).Originally posted by Xprobe:take the metaphysical layer away, i kinda figure it like this:
Event + Response = Outcome a.k.a., Fate
Response is mainly character/ personality - driven. So, you can change your Outcome/ Fate by changing your Response (character, perspective, personality) to the Event (random and unpredictable, no control over this)
And the practice of buddhism basically helps you change your Response to Events, thus changing your Outcome, Fate.
On a higher level.. it is not just karma that drives, it is wisdom. This wisdom that affects our life is not related to karma.. but that is a higher level. For beginners, telling them to change their karma is enough. -
yeah i know, but to layman just simplify by referring to character/ personality level, how you expect them to conceptualize the existence and application of inner wisdom? bit too hard for the non-practitioners
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Just follow the 'fool-proof' guide Buddha draw out for us.Tat's the 8 foldpaths
P.S:To follow the Noble Eightfold Path is a matter of practice rather than intellectual knowledge, but to apply the path correctly it has to be properly understood -
As quoted:Originally posted by needhelp1234:can fate/karma be changed?
Karma does not necessarily mean past actions. It embraces both past and present deeds. Hence in one sense, we ARE the result of what we were; we WILL be the result of what we are. In another sense, it should be added, we are not totally the result of what we were; we will not absolutely be the result of what we are. The present is no doubt the offspring of the past and is the present of the future, but the present is not always a true index of either the past or the future.
Can read on : http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm
To note of :
Fatalistic doctrine [Belief in pre-destined fate] is not the Buddhist law of Karma.
Every minute, we can turn things around by what we do now. -
Originally posted by Isis:
Tat's right. We r our own creator.
Every minute, we can turn things around by what we do now.
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Yes. To side-track a bit, here's a discussion in our forum on the idea of karma and how deterministic-fatalism (i.e we have no choice, our past karma determines our present action) does not apply to Buddha's teaching on karma: http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=214251&page=1Originally posted by Isis:As quoted:
Karma does not necessarily mean past actions. It embraces both past and present deeds. Hence in one sense, we ARE the result of what we were; we WILL be the result of what we are. In another sense, it should be added, we are not totally the result of what we were; we will not absolutely be the result of what we are. The present is no doubt the offspring of the past and is the present of the future, but the present is not always a true index of either the past or the future.
Can read on : http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm
To note of :
Fatalistic doctrine [Belief in pre-destined fate] is not the Buddhist law of Karma.
Every minute, we can turn things around by what we do now.
The discussion starts from the second post of my reply to him in the 2nd page of that topic. -
Something is bothering me..Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Tat's right. We r our own creator.
Karma also depends on other conditions to fall in to make things happen.
Sometime, it is not directly due to our own doing??
i mean we all inter-related.
Other events, actions of others could have a direct or indirect impact on one another.. depend when and whether all the right condition exists to make it happens.
our actions could also alter the courses of action.. -
to get fate change means i must consult those fortune teller?
got a few in hougang central -
Mm karma is ever changing..Originally posted by pierre^^:to get fate change means i must consult those fortune teller?
got a few in hougang central
actually i did try fortune telling before but then i realise throughout the life that i lived, the choices that i had made and the environment that i am in and frenz that i have made, the people who has influence on my life has totally changed the "so-called fate that im born with" or does it tally in the first place?
if u want to change something, u should change urself first. -
fortune telling is a low artOriginally posted by Isis:Mm karma is ever changing..
actually i did try fortune telling before but then i realise throughout the life that i lived, the choices that i had made and the environment that i am in and frenz that i have made, the people who has influence has totally changed the "so-called fate that im born with" or does it ever tally in the first place?
if u want to change something, u should change urself first. -
Buddha never recommended fortune telling. In fact, cenarious rightly said, that Buddha said that fortune telling is a 'lowly art'.Originally posted by pierre^^:to get fate change means i must consult those fortune teller?
got a few in hougang central
"Whereas some religious men, while living offfood provided by the faithful make their living by such low artsj, such wrong means of livelihood as palmisti~ divining by signs, mtezpretmg dreams bringing good or bad lucky. invoking the goddess of luck...picking the lucky site for a building, the monk Gotazna refrains from such low art.s, such wrong means of livelihood” " ~ Buddha
But whether you want to seek a fortune teller is your own personal choice, I feel it is neither right or wrong. But very often people take what is being said by the fortune teller too seriously. If fortune teller say you are going to die in car accident 5 years from now, then how?
I have also went to fortune teller before out of curiosity. But I never take what is said too seriously (even though the report was quite good
). Life is too short to take it too seriously. If we are so serious about everything then how can we live our life happily and in peace? Even if the future is known to us, how can we stay in the present? If you want to make changes, make changes in the present. In reality, time is an illusion, only the eternally present Present is real.
My master says, if you know the dharma, your fate can change altogether. So know the dharma, practise the dharma. There is no need to seek anything else. -
but i tink most of us oni noe go fortune tellerOriginally posted by Cenarious:fortune telling is a low art
btw hougang got pasar malam... going to + a few more fortune teller le
the other alternative is to buy ornaments
like the PI QIU -
Why change fate? Accept it and carry on with life or death.(whichever fate has been bestowed on us)
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Up to you.. these are cultural stuff.Originally posted by pierre^^:but i tink most of us oni noe go fortune teller
btw hougang got pasar malam... going to + a few more fortune teller le
the other alternative is to buy ornaments
like the PI QIU
But most important thing is to practise the dharma, because the dharma can truly change our lives, change our 'fate'... through cultivating Wisdom (this alone can change alot of things), blessings (i.e fu2 bao4), and yin yuan.
Here's a summary sheet of a dharma talk by my dharma teacher in the past:
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
how come ur not answering me in "i think i have seen selflessness"