anyone been to the buddhist relic exh at expo?
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anyone been there? how was it? nice? i wonder is fotography allowed?
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it is a hoax, not a truth buddhist practice!
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here's another repeated topic:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=205108
please kindly read them as they r quite useful n continue discuss there. -
i need to know whether is photography allowed, n is there a lot of things to see, as compared to last time the buddha tooth relic exh? can someone tell me?
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Yes please do not go.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Important notice from His Holiness the Dalai LamaÂ’s Private Office
We will like to convey a message, reproduced below, received this morning ( 1 December 2006 ) via our friend from one of HH the Dalai Lama's personal Secretaries, "Chheme-la" --
In-line with His Holiness the Dalai Lama's clear and consistent stand with regard to worship of the evil spirit, dolgyal-shugden, the relevant department and officers from His Holiness's Private Office have expressed their deep concerns about the so-named "The Buddha and His Principal Disciples' Relics Grand Cultural World Exhibition", from 9 to 17 December 2006, at the Singapore Expo, hosted by the "Gelugpa Buddhist Association Singapore" --
His Holiness the Dalai Lama's Private Office will like to remind all students of the Dharma, especially students of the Dharma relying upon His Holiness, that this "Gelugpa Buddhist Association Singapore" actively opposes His Holiness's advice and teachings --
This organization strongly advocates worship of the unenlightened evil spirit, dolgyal-shugden --
His Holiness's Private Office will like to remind students of the Dharma that relying upon a worldly spirit, such as dolgyal-shugden, contradicts Lord Buddha's own advice against taking refuge in samsaric spirits --
Hence, any student participating in events related to practice of this worldly spirit effectively "breaks" one's Refuge Vows and this student effectively becomes a Non-Buddhist, negating the source and root of all Dharmic practices --
It is critical that all sincere Buddhists, be it an individual or Dharma centres, make the above clearly known to all via every means possible, be it SMS, email or others --[/quote]
[quote]Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
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woah...i didn't noe tat
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Personally, I won't go. But I'm just wondering, why there's no statement from Singapore Buddhist Federation? I believe we need to know what steps they will take if this is an unorthodox practise.
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I BEEN THERE
Note: only can say the above because something happened during my visit so it's very obvious I'm who
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WHAT HAPPENEDOriginally posted by maggot:I BEEN THERE
Note: only can say the above because something happened during my visit so it's very obvious I'm who -
crowded ?Originally posted by maggot:I BEEN THERE
Note: only can say the above because something happened during my visit so it's very obvious I'm who -
Can take photo or not?
Is the relics nice?
Dont give a hoot abt the spiritual thingy, I just care about the pictures i can take n the beautiful things i can see. -
I passed by this afternoon while on my way to my examinations. It didn't look very crowded. (not surprising since it is a weekday afternoon). I noticed that some form of registration has to be done before you can get a free entry.
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NoOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:crowded ?
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I didn't register and went in and got noticed...Originally posted by redstar202:I passed by this afternoon while on my way to my examinations. It didn't look very crowded. (not surprising since it is a weekday afternoon). I noticed that some form of registration has to be done before you can get a free entry. -
Dalai Lama Tells Followers to Steer Clear of Relic Show
By Adeline Chia, The Straits Times, December 12, 2006
Singapore -- A mega exhibition of Buddhist relics is proving popular among believers here but has drawn the ire of the Dalai LamaÂ’s Office.
Touted as the biggest organised here, with more than 100 million relics – pearl-like remains of spiritual masters after cremation – the event opened last weekend at the Singapore Expo.
Over the weekend, some 30,000 people flocked to the exhibition, which will run until Sunday.
But believers were told they would be worshipping an “evil spirit” – by the Dalai Lama’s Office in Dharamsala, India.
The statement hit out at the organiser, Gelugpa Buddhist Association Singapore, for staging the event and questioned the authenticity of the relics.
In its response, the association said it is a legitimate sect but not aligned with the Dalai LamaÂ’s teachings.
The local Buddhist authority, the Singapore Buddhist Federation, declined to comment even after being contacted several times.
Buddhist Fellowship president Angie Monksfield saw the quarrel as a self-contained one: “There are differences in the groups in the Tibetan tradition, and it’s up to them to resolve them.”
Both the Dalai Lama and the Gelugpa Buddhist Association belong to the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. The majority of Buddhists here belong to the Mahayana tradition, which originated in India and spread to China.
Ms Monksfield described her 2,000-member Buddhist Fellowship as “mainstream and non-sectarian”.
She said believers should decide for themselves if they wanted to go to the event, adding: “Personally, I wouldn’t go because just looking at relics doesn’t add any value to my spiritual development.”
A Straits Times check confirmed that a statement was issued by the Dalai Lama’s Office. It expressed “deep concern” about the exhibition, and that the Gelugpa Buddhist Association “actively opposes (the Dalai Lama’s) advice and teachings”.
It said that any person associated with the sect “effectively becomes non-Buddhist”.
Fliers of the statement have been distributed in some Waterloo Street shops and restaurants by anonymous parties. The area is popular with Buddhists.
The exhibition is free. The association will hold a 500-table charity vegetarian banquet on its last day. The most expensive table costs $3,800 for 10 people, and tables are nearly sold out.
Ms Jenny Chow, secretary-general of the Gelugpa Buddhist Association, said money raised from the dinner and alms will go to building a Buddhist relic museum in Singapore. -
The Dalai Lama is no Pope
by Visakha Kawasaki, Kandy, Sri Lanka, The Buddhist Channel, Dec 6, 2006
I write with regards to the article, “Dalai Lama’s office disapproves Singapore Expo on ‘Buddha Relics’”
Aside from the fact that the Dalai Lama seems to have some problems with discipline within his own sect, with the expo’s organizers claiming to be Gelugpa, it needs saying that the Dalai Lama is not in a position to declare that all Buddhists who revere relics of the Teacher or his chief Disciples are somehow worshiping “the unenlightened evil spirit!”
He is certainly mistaken too when he claims that by showing reverence for the relics of the Buddha and other Arahats, a Buddhist “effectively ‘breaks’ one's Refuge Vows and will effectively become a Non-Buddhist, negating the source and root of all Dharmic practices.”
The Dalai Lama’s followers have been urged to “....inform all other unknowing Buddhists, that, according to the Buddha's holy Teachings as preserved in every tradition and lineage as well as His Holiness the Dalai Lama's advice, taking refuge in wordly (sic) -spirit, in this context, this programme's uncompromising stand of practising and taking refuge in dulgyal-shugden, effectively contravenes one's Refuge in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha."
Although the Dalai Lama may deserve respect as the head of his sect, he is not a Buddhist Pope, and might do well to educate himself about other Buddhist traditions, and avoid pronouncements of such a “catholic” nature. -
Also..
Dalai Lama's office disapproves Singapore Expo on "Buddhist Relics"
The Buddhist Channel, December 4, 2006
Relics Expo organizer "Gelugpa Buddhist Association Singapore" not recognized by HH Dalai Lama
Singapore -- The office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama have expressed its concern about the so-named "The Buddha and His Principal Disciples' Relics Grand Cultural World Exhibition", from December 9 to 17, 2006 at the Singapore Expo, hosted by the the "Gelugpa Buddhist Association Singapore".
Statement from HH office also states that the organizing party of the expo - although branding itself as a Gelugpa centre, is not recognized as such by HH the Dalai Lama nor HH the Ganden Trisur Rinpoche (the Official Head Emeritus of the Gelugpa Tradition). Therefore, labelling of itself as a "Gelugpa" centre is inaccurate and misleading.
The Dalai Lama's office further clarifies that its position is clear and consistent with regard to the worship of "dolgyal-shugden" which it strongly considers as "worship of the unenlightened evil spirit".
The statement further elaborates that students of the Dharma who continue to rely upon a worldly spirit such as dolgyal-shugden actually contradicts the Buddha's own advice against taking refuge in samsaric spirits.
By participating in events related to the practice of this worldly spirit, one effectively "breaks" one's Refuge Vows and will effectively become a Non-Buddhist, negating the source and root of all Dharmic practices, the statement continues.
In a separate announcement, the Charitable Assistance Society (CAS) of Thousand-Arm Chenrezig have on behalf of the Tibetan Buddhist community in Singapore urged all to adhere to the HH Dalai Lama's office advisory.
The CAS statement further urged Tibetan Buddhist practitioners to "....inform all other unknowing Buddhists, that, according to the Buddha's holy Teachings as preserved in every tradition and lineage as well as His Holiness the Dalai Lama's advice, taking refuge in wordly-spirit, in this context, this programme's uncompromising stand of practising and taking refuge in dulgyal-shugden, effectively contravenes one's Refuge in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha."
The CAS also said the organizing party have failed to clarify or justify the authenticity of the source of their claimed "relics", most of which, presented as plasticine-looking coloured balls. "The organization too claimed many of their "relics" as being originated from Lord Buddha's blood, bones, saliva and other bodily parts," the statement concluded. -
He is certainly mistaken too when he claims that by showing reverence for the relics of the Buddha and other Arahats, a Buddhist “effectively ‘breaks’ one's Refuge Vows and will effectively become a Non-Buddhist, negating the source and root of all Dharmic practices.”
I think the reporter is mistaken.
I believe what the Dalai Lama meant is participating in anything like worshipping the spirit means breaking refuge vows. Not like viewing the relics or paying reverence to relics.
Hence, any student participating in events related to practice of this worldly spirit effectively "breaks" one's Refuge Vows and this student effectively becomes a Non-Buddhist, negating the source and root of all Dharmic practices -- -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Merry Meet To All,
I think the reporter is mistaken.
I believe what the Dalai Lama meant is participating in anything like worshipping the spirit means breaking refuge vows. Not like viewing the relics or paying reverence to relics.
Hence, any student participating in events related to [b]practice of this worldly spirit effectively "breaks" one's Refuge Vows and this student effectively becomes a Non-Buddhist, negating the source and root of all Dharmic practices --[/b]
Well this report is also on the Strait Times. I believe HH Dalai Lama meant those who visit & participate in this event will be regard as Non-buddhists. Although its too strong of a statement to made however i feel perhaps HH Dalai Lama feel the importance to address this issue as Religion that is out of control will caused Chaos in any countries. As pertaining to the Relics on exhibition, its unbelieveable there are so much Sariras & Relics around. Anyway this represent my personal perspective. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
I believe there is no relic nor sarira left.
[b]Merry Meet To All,
Well this report is also on the Strait Times. I believe HH Dalai Lama meant those who visit & participate in this event will be regard as Non-buddhists. Although its too strong of a statement to made however i feel perhaps HH Dalai Lama feel the importance to address this issue as Religion that is out of control will caused Chaos in any countries. As pertaining to the Relics on exhibition, its unbelieveable there are so much Sariras & Relics around. Anyway this represent my personal perspective. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b] -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
Actually.. I do not agree that he meant that viewing the relics means non-buddhist, but rather, participating in things related to worshipping the spirit, or perhaps things that offer financial support for the worship of the spirit, is non-buddhist.
[b]Merry Meet To All,
Well this report is also on the Strait Times. I believe HH Dalai Lama meant those who visit & participate in this event will be regard as Non-buddhists. Although its too strong of a statement to made however i feel perhaps HH Dalai Lama feel the importance to address this issue as Religion that is out of control will caused Chaos in any countries. As pertaining to the Relics on exhibition, its unbelieveable there are so much Sariras & Relics around. Anyway this represent my personal perspective. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b] Hopefully the Dalai Lama will issue a clarification on that. -
Merry Meet Ah Boy,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Actually.. I do not agree that he meant that viewing the relics means non-buddhist, but rather, participating in things related to worshipping the spirit, or perhaps things that offer financial support for the worship of the spirit, is non-buddhist. Hopefully the Dalai Lama will issue a clarification on that.
Well the moment you go there, they will need to do a registration where they will dedicate merit to you after the event. Thereafter they will ask you to do chanting of mantra while you view the relics with every steps you made in the premise & issue you with a count clocker to click, the moment you are there, you are participating, its not about viewing only. Every few steps there will be a donation box. There are many Thai Monks & Lamas to give you blessings with donation boxes beside them. Alot of stalls selling various items from treligious products to food, Thai Amulets aplenty there. Very big scale even bigger than Holistic Fair, I am not suprise if there is also MLM there. These are the feedbacks i got. BWB not in support of this event right? To my knowledge some forums are promoting this event. To be frank in my point of view when HH Dalai Lama speak, he will not change his words, words are power & integrity, he only made such speech because he feel a need to. I do feel its abit too harsh but i shalt not comment on that, do not think i have any right to comment also. HH Dalai Lama's short commentary tells a thousand words. Of coz those who are interested can go view, its very individual. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
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Today is my 2nd time at that place...still cannot forget the buddha bone relic at the centre of the relics exhibition
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Originally posted by OCEANOS:
You know ,oceanos , a Lineage holder is like a Father to the followers,If he knows some practise is harmful , he have to right to denounce it .
[b]Merry Meet Ah Boy,
Well the moment you go there, they will need to do a registration where they will dedicate merit to you after the event. Thereafter they will ask you to do chanting of mantra while you view the relics with every steps you made in the premise & issue you with a count clocker to click, the moment you are there, you are participating, its not about viewing only. Every few steps there will be a donation box. There are many Thai Monks & Lamas to give you blessings with donation boxes beside them. Alot of stalls selling various items from treligious products to food, Thai Amulets aplenty there. Very big scale even bigger than Holistic Fair, I am not suprise if there is also MLM there. These are the feedbacks i got. BWB not in support of this event right? To my knowledge some forums are promoting this event. To be frank in my point of view when HH Dalai Lama speak, he will not change his words, words are power & integrity, he only made such speech because he feel a need to. I do feel its abit too harsh but i shalt not comment on that, do not think i have any right to comment also. HH Dalai Lama's short commentary tells a thousand words. Of coz those who are interested can go view, its very individual. Thanks again.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
But ...
it is individual freewill to practise it or not
Dalai Lama, yes ,is not a Pope to the Buddhist faith
but Dolyal-Shugden ,primary a issue of unease between the other Buddhist school in Tibetan Buddhism is really of a grave concern
the political issue behind is already known to everyone
btw I am very much into Nyimgmapa and I see such dolyal Shugden practice as not "suited " to me
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Yo! Yo! I am new here. Hehehe... There seems to be alot of talks about the Buddha Relics Exhibition at Expo. Saw the announcement on The Straits Times and Today and Chinese Newspaper too... Seems like a hot news! I wanted to go see the Buddha's Relics... Never see before a Buddha's Relic..
I been monitoring their group and it seems quite okay leh... saw on their website that His Eminence DENMA LOCHOE RINPOCHE, who is second to the fourteenth Dalai Lama in the Gelug practice, endorses Jamseng RinpocheÂ’s effort in propagating Buddhism. He further expresses his highest recognition and support to the RelicsÂ’ Exhibition and blesses him with success in advance.
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/IndexPage/rin1.gif
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/IndexPage/rin2.gif
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/IndexPage/rin3.gif
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/IndexPage/rin4.gif
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/IndexPage/rin10.gif
what do you guys think of it? So xian...