What's wrong with this pic?
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Hi to all,Originally posted by NT2:i like the way u suspect things.
there is no truth except in Jesus Christ.
the purpose of this thread is to put together wat buddhist claimed and what i come across. i do not wish to entertain your foolish observations and set of thinking about me.
I guess the last sentence is the most hilarious statement i have seen throughout my life. I was a buddhist mind you.
This is the great tragedy of Christianity - the stronger the Christian's faith in Jesus the more partisan, bigoted and intolerant he usually becomes. What a relief it is to be able to Take Refuge in the Buddha and still be able to respect and admire Lao Tzu , the Prophet Mohamrned, Krishna, Guru Nanak, etc. How pleasant it is to be able to communicate with others without the need to be always trying to convert them. How nice it is to be able to be happy when one sees others happy with their religion. Some christians are intolerant because it is obsessed with Jesus and excludes everyone who does not accept him. Buddhism is tolerant because it treasures wisdom and compassion and can embrace anyone, whatever their religion, who is developing these qualities. -
I fully agree. NT2 appears to be taking the same direction and heading the same place as Dave... (but at least NT can spellOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:Hi to all,
This is the great tragedy of Christianity - the stronger the Christian's faith in Jesus the more partisan, bigoted and intolerant he usually becomes. What a relief it is to be able to Take Refuge in the Buddha and still be able to respect and admire Lao Tzu , the Prophet Mohamrned, Krishna, Guru Nanak, etc. How pleasant it is to be able to communicate with others without the need to be always trying to convert them. How nice it is to be able to be happy when one sees others happy with their religion. Some christians are intolerant because it is obsessed with Jesus and excludes everyone who does not accept him. Buddhism is tolerant because it treasures wisdom and compassion and can embrace anyone, whatever their religion, who is developing these qualities.
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I know there are respectable Christians out there... (Eg Chin Eng & Vince etc.)..... I once told Chin Eng the following when he requested me not to judge all by the actions of a few (http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=215567&page=0)It is however noteworthy that negative actions by a few can actually be very ‘loud’. It is for this reason that our Muslim friends have received such negative publicity… Prior to me meeting my HOD, I have perhaps met only a handful of ‘bad’ Christians…. But these bad apples left a far deeper impression than the multitude of the decent ones I have met.
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Hi,Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Hi to all,
This is the great tragedy of Christianity - the stronger the Christian's faith in Jesus the more partisan, bigoted and intolerant he usually becomes. What a relief it is to be able to Take Refuge in the Buddha and still be able to respect and admire Lao Tzu , the Prophet Mohamrned, Krishna, Guru Nanak, etc. How pleasant it is to be able to communicate with others without the need to be always trying to convert them. How nice it is to be able to be happy when one sees others happy with their religion. Some christians are intolerant because it is obsessed with Jesus and excludes everyone who does not accept him. Buddhism is tolerant because it treasures wisdom and compassion and can embrace anyone, whatever their religion, who is developing these qualities.
this is just my 2 cents of thought on faith and something which i have learnt.
There are 4 different kind of faith.
- Superficial kind of faith ( initial stage )
-> which might lead to blind faith
-> based on hearsays; false practice and belief due to culture practise etc.
-> lacking wisdom.
- Trusting faith
-> believe or knowing that the buddhism teachings make sense.
-> Question buddhism so as to futher uncover doubts
-> Intellectual understanding of buddhism
-> logical understanding
- Attainment faith
-> Realisation of buddhism teachings through personal spiritual experience and journey.
-> Might not rely on a teacher
-> refer to stream entry
- On going faith.
-> On-going devotion
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Mm stronger christian's faith might not lead to bigotedness and intolerant..Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Hi to all,
This is the great tragedy of Christianity - the stronger the Christian's faith in Jesus the more partisan, bigoted and intolerant he usually becomes. What a relief it is to be able to Take Refuge in the Buddha and still be able to respect and admire Lao Tzu , the Prophet Mohamrned, Krishna, Guru Nanak, etc. How pleasant it is to be able to communicate with others without the need to be always trying to convert them. How nice it is to be able to be happy when one sees others happy with their religion. Some christians are intolerant because it is obsessed with Jesus and excludes everyone who does not accept him. Buddhism is tolerant because it treasures wisdom and compassion and can embrace anyone, whatever their religion, who is developing these qualities. -
Actually if he is stating his own view it is ok (his reply about Jesus and Christianity is in reply to lau and me, so he is not being pushy). He has not yet started flaming in this topic so I think we should give him some slack.Originally posted by Beyond Religion:... and now NT2 is stirring up trouble here... Sigh! -
Ofcourse...that's why i said 'Some Christians'Originally posted by Isis:Mm stronger christian's faith might not lead to bigotedness and intolerant..
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Ok...anyway this incident reminds us that Buddha also wanted to cultivate humanity according to certain moral and ethical codes, discipline, and character. This is to be achieved without resorting to temptations provided by promises of heaven or to fear by threats of hell fire. That is why this religion is described as a religion of freedom and reason. The Buddha encouraged us to learn with an open mind to investigate and to understand the world. We must accept nothing at once on mere faith. The Buddha says, "Do not accept anything through mere faith because it will make it difficult for you to understand the truth, because that faith can make you a blind follower.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Actually if he is stating his own view it is ok (his reply about Jesus and Christianity is in reply to lau and me, so he is not being pushy). He has not yet started flaming in this topic so I think we should give him some slack.
This kind of blind faith can lead to religious fanaticism. People react emotionally to their religious authorities rather than deciding rationally whether something is true or false because they have not developed analytical knowledge in their minds to understand why they should uphold certain moral practices and why they should keep away from certain immoral practices. -
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
Yes true..
Ok...anyway this incident reminds us that Buddha also wanted to cultivate humanity according to certain moral and ethical codes, discipline, and character. This is to be achieved without resorting to temptations provided by promises of heaven or to fear by threats of hell fire. That is why this religion is described as a religion of freedom and reason. The Buddha encouraged us to learn with an open mind to investigate and to understand the world. We must accept nothing at once on mere faith. The Buddha says, "Do not accept anything through mere faith because it will make it difficult for you to understand the truth, [b]because that faith can make you a blind follower.
This kind of blind faith can lead to religious fanaticism. People react emotionally to their religious authorities rather than deciding rationally whether something is true or false because they have not developed analytical knowledge in their minds to understand why they should uphold certain moral practices and why they should keep away from certain immoral practices.
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Amitabha group recite for Amitabha buddha when death is near..... sound alikeOriginally posted by longchen:I have a question?
If by God's Grace anyone can go to heaven if given the right way of salvation... does that mean that very-unpleasant people can be there as well.
If all the unpleasant people are there, can we still enjoy heaven. Think of the person you dislike the most (like your boss
) and he/she is there in heaven with you as well. Will that still be heaven?
will that still be Pure-land
i know i know...lotus..rite -
Originally posted by solomon1983:
ya lor ya lor...
Amitabha group recite for Amitabha buddha when death is near..... sound alike
will that still be Pure-land
i know i know...lotus..rite -
The pure land teaching says only when mind is pure the land is pure So if people's minds there are not pure it cannot be called pure land anymore...
So everyone in pure land when the 'lotus flower blossom and sees the Buddha', their minds are already pure. -
Alright you want proof? I show you proof.
1. You said i accuse him, poking relentlessly, but you still havent point how and what..
Its ok, i know you cant, so i will let you off on this
Despite several explainations, someone insist on continuing his old way
Sigh
First sign of showing prejudice.
in the same light, i guess Christians worship money, since they pay pastors a king's ransom?
Laughing
Trolling, although I understand where you're coming from.
Similarly, like AEN said for the nth time, such are not Buddhist practices
I question the point of this topic..
Totally irrelevant, because someone who isn't buddhist isn't gonna automatically know which one is right and which is wrong, and they certainly won't memorize your religion. Posting negative comments like the bolded line isn't gonna make people very happy, especially people who are sincerely expecting answers.
...and various other trollish, prejudiced comments that I slowly and patiently stripped from you until like page 4.
2a. Strangely, my meaning was clear. If you believe in one thing, why is there a need to match what people claim and what they do, when all in all, its all against what you believe in?
Then why are you hanging around in EH? I'm gonna teach you a new word, and it's called curiousity.
2b. Thats from his POV. You talk from a third part POV, which is irrelevant to my post. It shouldnt be directed to me, coz I never said Buddhism is false, nor would i want to do that.
How do you know his POV? Is the data not coming from your memory? And what is your memory based on? Your idea of him is distorted by prejudices, as evident in your posts. You don't even know how to watch your ego, so dont give me the excuse that you can read his mind.
3. Again, prove the narrow one tracked and unforgiving mindset? This is the third question on proving, which apparently you cant do.
Obviously you cannot imagine open-mindedness because you cannot imagine that other people have different backgrounds and therefore different patterns of thoughts. Well what appears real to you may not be another person's reality. People who are wise will know that each person has his own reality, and sometimes they put down their own "reality" and imagine other people's reality as a hypothesis, then see what they can get out of it.
NT2: "the purpose of this thread is to put together wat buddhist claimed and what i come across. i do not wish to entertain your foolish observations and set of thinking about me. "
He wants to piece together a world without plotholes.
4. You cant prove and you end it by concluding i am goading and claiming?
Wow, can like this meh?
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True to what I said.
From the pic, if a Buddhist monk was there would imply he is joining in the rites, do i assume if a Christian would worship money because i see pastors earning richly? This analogy is correct.
True to what I also said about AEN replying his questions unceasingly. Again, you made assumptions. If the remarks so called goad him and hurt him, that is your view, not the truth. He can be unbothered and simply replied what is his point. Somehow, more like you are the one who got bothered, not him.
Again, you called these as trolling and prejudiced because you said so, yet you cant prove how they are trollish and prejudiced. Imagine I come to you and simply put labels on you simply because I said so, would you be happy with that?
The part of hanging around in EH, it is irrelevant. You are merely latching on his words to cast personal remarks, not an objective answer.
Obviously, from your post you have not been reading or know Christianity. Even he said he cannot be tolerant of other 'truths'. Therefore, posting from his POV is correct. Otherwise, you would simply blame me on using my own method of analysis instead.
last point is together with the point above. from a chrisian POV, buddhism is all wrong. there is not a need to piece together. Its does not add value, even to his own understanding. Which is why i mooted the idea of him joining Buddhism, since he is so curious. Again, nothing wrong.
Clearly, none of your points is anything on how my posts are trolling. You are merely putting labels into half of your posts. You took one statement and called it trolling. Wow, up to now you have not learnt what is the difference between a statement and a reason.
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indeed..indeed...pureland is pure when the minds are pureOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:The pure land teaching says only when mind is pure the land is pure So if people's minds there are not pure it cannot be called pure land anymore...
So everyone in pure land when the 'lotus flower blossom and sees the Buddha', their minds are already pure.
that's why Pureland need Pure lotus or others to create or prepare 'those wana to be pure' who are not pure yet rite...In addition, putting these kinds of people(inquest...unqualified...not so pure ) inside the lotus,might.. take a long long period of times to be pure then rejoin the pure people...
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Originally posted by solomon1983:
Oh you mean in Christianity they have this lotus thingie too?
indeed..indeed...pureland is pure when the minds are pure
that's why Pureland need [b]Pure lotus or others to create or prepare 'those wana to be pure' who are not pure yet rite...In addition, putting these kinds of people(inquest...unqualified...not so pure ) inside the lotus,might.. take a long long period of times to be pure then rejoin the pure people...
SAME method goes to the source or GOD's heaven [/b] -
From the pic, if a Buddhist monk was there would imply he is joining in the rites, do i assume if a Christian would worship money because i see pastors earning richly? This analogy is correct.
He didn't say the monk was participating in the rites. He was saying to even be at the rites is doubtful, because we're told not to go to to that particular sharira exibition as instructed by the dalai lama.
This is a thread about doubtful buddhism, and posting bad news about other religion is trolling. Remember what we agreed about trolling? Being a jerk is one of the criteria.True to what I also said about AEN replying his questions unceasingly. Again, you made assumptions. If the remarks so called goad him and hurt him, that is your view, not the truth. He can be unbothered and simply replied what is his point. Somehow, more like you are the one who got bothered, not him.
Alright other than the pastor analogy which ones are wrong? Paste them here and I shall elaborate for you.
As for being bothered: "u realise my thread started with peace but always end up with war. scroll through the posts and spot the fire starter. Mr. Green"Again, you called these as trolling and prejudiced because you said so, yet you cant prove how they are trollish and prejudiced. Imagine I come to you and simply put labels on you simply because I said so, would you be happy with that?
Which ones do you need me to prove, paste a few here but not too many.The part of hanging around in EH, it is irrelevant. You are merely latching on his words to cast personal remarks, not an objective answer.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Oh you mean in Christianity they have this lotus thingie too? ...hehhehhe...lotus
not same method...Similiar way to purify the souls... in gnostic gospels -
Oic..Originally posted by solomon1983: ...hehhehhe...lotus
not same method...Similiar way to purify the souls... in gnostic gospels -
Obviously, from your post you have not been reading or know Christianity. Even he said he cannot be tolerant of other 'truths'. Therefore, posting from his POV is correct. Otherwise, you would simply blame me on using my own method of analysis instead.
Being intolerant of other "truths" doesn't mean you cannot look at them and study them.last point is together with the point above. from a chrisian POV, buddhism is all wrong. there is not a need to piece together. Its does not add value, even to his own understanding. Which is why i mooted the idea of him joining Buddhism, since he is so curious. Again, nothing wrong.
Does knowing about warcraft lore add any value to me? Does reading a fiction book add value to me?Clearly, none of your points is anything on how my posts are trolling. You are merely putting labels into half of your posts. You took one statement and called it trolling. Wow, up to now you have not learnt what is the difference between a statement and a reason.
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Ur first part is irrelevant to my first part. I was drawing an analogy. If he is doubtful he can be led to the topic. Again, what is this about trolling and what it got to do with being a jerk?
Seems you are drawing further and further away from the argument.
What do you mean what else is wrong? What thing, pls point out. By the way, that post u quoted, about spot the firestarter, what relevance it has to this part of the topic?
Which one I need you to prove? All your posts you have been calling me a dick, a troll, prejudiced remarks, you want me to point out to you? Are you even blind to your own posts?
Whether i stay at EH has no relevance to this topic or issue at hand. In fact strangely, I made a lot of friends from there.
You are losing your touch
Up to now you cant prove or did
a) My remarks about the pastor analogy is wrong
b) Which part is trolling or prejudiced? At 12.40 am you remarked about my analogy is prejudiced, for example, yet you can prove.
c) You conveniently ignored my post when i pointed out how invaluable to a Christian to start this topic, about reconciling claims and deeds. So where is the objective to learn by asking questions here?
d) Time to time, you called me names, yet I have not done that to you.
e) You have diverted from issues, by making irrelevant posts, such as 'Remember what we agreed about trolling? Being a jerk is one of the criteria. ' which is irrelevant to the pastors analogy.
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To continue
Which is why i said its a clash of inner values
They are all wrong in Christian POV anyway, you learn for what? Buddhist are willing learners, then I would agree. Are you TS?
Your analogy about warlore is moot and irrelevant. Actually it means you are damn boliao to read comic books if you find they dont add value, Similarly, using this logic, TS must be bo liao to post this topic?
Lastly, you only know how to call them trolling. Do you know what is trolling? Again personal attacks by saying people have low comprehension skills. -
a) My remarks about the pastor analogy is wrong
Being a jerk or trolling means annoying people. Your analogy may be right I know, but it's still trolling.
b) Which part is trolling or prejudiced? At 12.40 am you remarked about my analogy is prejudiced, for example, yet you can prove.
I can't do anything if you conveniently ignore what I have typed for you.
c) You conveniently ignored my post when i pointed out how invaluable to a Christian to start this topic, about reconciling claims and deeds. So where is the objective to learn by asking questions here?
See the other post
d) Time to time, you called me names, yet I have not done that to you.
So? Why can't I call you names?
e) You have diverted from issues, by making irrelevant posts, such as 'Remember what we agreed about trolling? Being a jerk is one of the criteria. ' which is irrelevant to the pastors analogy.
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To continue
Do you have a problem with being boliao? Why are you on sgforums then?
Which is why i said its a clash of inner values
They are all wrong in Christian POV anyway, you learn for what? Buddhist are willing learners, then I would agree. Are you TS?
Your analogy about warlore is moot and irrelevant. Actually it means you are damn boliao to read comic books if you find they dont add value, Similarly, using this logic, TS must be bo liao to post this topic?Lastly, you only know how to call them trolling. Do you know what is trolling? Again personal attacks by saying people have low comprehension skills.
I already explained it in an earlier post, the one with bolds and italics. What can I do if you conveniently ignore them? -
Originally posted by Cenarious:
a) Truth hurts, strange, since when you do care for people feelings?
[b]a) My remarks about the pastor analogy is wrong
Being a jerk or trolling means annoying people. Your analogy may be right I know, but it's still trolling.
b) Which part is trolling or prejudiced? At 12.40 am you remarked about my analogy is prejudiced, for example, yet you can prove.
I can't do anything if you conveniently ignore what I have typed for you.
c) You conveniently ignored my post when i pointed out how invaluable to a Christian to start this topic, about reconciling claims and deeds. So where is the objective to learn by asking questions here?
See the other post
d) Time to time, you called me names, yet I have not done that to you.
So? Why can't I call you names?
e) You have diverted from issues, by making irrelevant posts, such as 'Remember what we agreed about trolling? Being a jerk is one of the criteria. ' which is irrelevant to the pastors analogy. [/b]
b) You have not typed, how to ignore. Merely labelling them is not good enough, You have to have good reason.
c) See? By admitting you are calling me names, you have adequately provide evidence that you resorting to name calling. This is..trolling, coz there is no objective discussion.
d) Seriously. If a thief is called a thief, you must provide evidence, ie, a video of him stealing, or logic, ie, if a thing is in the room, and if this chap is the only one in the room, for sure he is the thief.
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Since you like to label me having reverse midas touch for crapping in threads, to you i guess bo liao is not good. Besides, would TS admit he makes bo liao topic such as this?Originally posted by Cenarious:I already explained it in an earlier post, the one with bolds and italics. What can I do if you conveniently ignore them?
By trolling you meant being a jerk, for one , yet you cant prove which of the posts is.
So, what else to talk about?
In conclusion, there is no trolling. Please retract your words about calling me a dick, a troll and prejudiced since you cant prove them.