When you are hungry and hunger is not a problem, then can you just sit there and not do anything about your hunger. Can you don't do anything about your hunger, since it is not a problem? Isn't looking for food to eat, a solution to your problem of hunger?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Hunger isn't a problem.
Because it is simply just plain hunger. You can call it a problem if you want, but it is easily solved and has no need of worry or suffering.Originally posted by casino_king:Why do you need to do something about it if it is not a problem? Why do you need to "get up and find some food" if the is no problem?
As above.Originally posted by casino_king:When you are hungry and hunger is not a problem, then can you just sit there and not do anything about your hunger. Can you don't do anything about your hunger, since it is not a problem? Isn't looking for food to eat, a solution to your problem of hunger?
Just because it is "easily solved" does not make it any less a problem does it? You still have to solve it, the problem, don't you?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Because it is simply just plain hunger. You can call it a problem if you want, but it is easily solved and has no need of worry or suffering.
The word "problem " is just a word. The point here is that suffering doesn't have to be there. Either get up and solve it or stop thinking about it.Originally posted by casino_king:Just because it is "easily solved" does not make it any less a problem does it? You still have to solve it, the problem, don't you?
If you don't solve it, you cannot stop thinking about it can you? If you don't solve it and you stop thinking about it, you will stave to death won't you?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:The word "problem " is just a word. The point here is that suffering doesn't have to be there. Either get up and solve it or stop thinking about it.
Well then that really is a problem (a mental one nonetheless), because you won't get up and walk a few steps but would rather sit and starve to death. Or it isn't a problem because no one else is affected but you.Originally posted by casino_king:If you don't solve it, you cannot stop thinking about it can you? If you don't solve it and you stop thinking about it, you will stave to death won't you?
I am not hungry, there is no problem... can I sit and read a book and not do anything else?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Well then that really is a problem (a mental one nonetheless), because you won't get up and walk a few steps but would rather sit and starve to death. Or it isn't a problem because no one else is affected but you.
Yes.Originally posted by casino_king:I am not hungry, there is no problem... can I sit and read a book and not do anything else?
I am hungry and according to you, there is no problem, can I sit and read a book and not do anything else? Why should I even "walk a few steps" when there is no problem?
Won't you stave to death eventually?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Yes.
Yes, if you dont mind being hungry.
Dying isn't a problem if you can have no suffering from it, though I don't see why you would wanna starve yourself.Originally posted by casino_king:Won't you stave to death eventually?
You do not want to stave yourself that is why you need to eat don't you? You need to solve the problem of not having food, don't you? If you say that you have no problem with food, that is because you had already solved the problem by going out and buy the food haven't you?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Dying isn't a problem if you can have no suffering from it, though I don't see why you would wanna starve yourself.
Alright since you want this so badly then we shall call them problems. But even if you don't solve them you can still remain unsuffered. Sufferings come from the mind only.Originally posted by casino_king:You do not want to stave yourself that is why you need to eat don't you? You need to solve the problem of not having food, don't you? If you say that you have no problem with food, that is because you had solved already solved the problem by going out and buy the food haven't you?
In life, there are many problems that you have to solve whether you like it or not, don't you?
No it isn't, but you're the one who kept insisting on the word "problem".Originally posted by casino_king:You do not want to stave yourself that is why you need to eat don't you? You need to solve the problem of not having food, don't you? If you say that you have no problem with food, that is because you had already solved the problem by going out and buy the food haven't you?
If you say that you do not have a problem with hunger, that is because you can solve the problem of hunger easily and not because there is no problem with hunger, isn't it?
In life, there are many problems that you have to solve whether you like it or not, don't you?
Do you think that it is important to make these distinctions?
Do you think that it is important to make these distinctions? (with whether or not hunger is a problem that must be solved or simply a mental phenomena that can be done away with?)Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Alright since you want this so badly then we shall call them problems. But even if you don't solve them you can still remain unsuffered. Sufferings come from the mind only.
Do you think if you start with the premise that hunger is a mental phenomena and can be done away with (not a problem that must be solved) and you start with the premise that there are real needs that must be solved (real problems to solve), the conclusions at the end of your analysis, of your train of thoughts, will be the same?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:No it isn't, but you're the one who kept insisting on the word "problem".
Hunger is a physical phenomena, but the suffering is thoughts. You can go hungry and still be happy. You dont really NEED to solve anything if you can stay contented. That's what I've been saying all along.Originally posted by casino_king:Do you think if you start with the premise that hunger is a mental phenomena and can be done away with (not a problem that must be solved) and you start with the premise that there are real needs that must be solved (real problems to solve), the conclusions at the end of your analysis, of your train of thoughts, will be the same?
sooner or later you have to solve the problem of hunger or you starve to death, won't you?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Hunger is a physical phenomena, but the suffering is thoughts. You can go hungry and still be happy.
You can starve to death but you can still be happy doing that, since that seems to be what you love doing.Originally posted by casino_king:sooner or later you have to solve the problem of hunger or you starve to death, won't you?
How did you come to the conclusion that I love to starve to death? How did you come to the conclusion that people can still be happy starving to death?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:You can starve to death but you can still be happy doing that, since that seems to be what you love doing.
Then tell me why you won't eat.Originally posted by casino_king:How did you come to the conclusion that I love to starve to death? How did you come to the conclusion that people can still be happy starving to death?
Don't you think that is totally irrelevant? Did you think that the journey was going to be easy? Anyway good night. Talk to you again. Thanks for keeping me company.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Then tell me why you won't eat.
No, because we have a situation here whereby someone won't eat and yet is complaining about hunger. Just get up and eat something dammit.Originally posted by casino_king:Don't you think that is totally irrelevant? Did you think that the journey was going to be easy? Anyway good night. Talk to you again. Thanks for keeping me company.
Interesting thought.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:No, because we have a situation here whereby someone won't eat and yet is complaining about hunger. Just get up and eat something dammit.
If you do not like the word "problem" do you agree that people have "needs" like the need for food, water and air?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:No, because we have a situation here whereby someone won't eat and yet is complaining about hunger. Just get up and eat something dammit.