You need those to survive, but you can also die happy.Originally posted by casino_king:If you do not like the word "problem" do you agree that people have "needs" like the need for food, water and air?
Do you agree that people need to eat, drink and breathe?
If you want to live, will you not be miserable unless you eat? Will you not be miserable unless you solve the problem of food?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:You need those to survive, but you can also die happy.
If you can solve a problem, solve the problem. If you can't then accept that you can't and have no resistance in your mind to the situation.Originally posted by casino_king:If you want to live, will you not be miserable unless you eat? Will you not be miserable unless you solve the problem of food?
If you need to eat and you do not eat, you will become more and more miserable will you not? The suffering will motivate you to look for food and eat, will it not?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:If you can solve a problem, solve the problem. If you can't then accept that you can't and have no resistance in your mind to the situation.
Yes, then do it quickly. So the point is to do what you can or else surrender to the situation.Originally posted by casino_king:If you need to eat and you do not eat, you will become more and more miserable will you not? The suffering will motivate you to look for food and eat, will it not?
Is the "suffering" when you do not eat good or bad? Is this the "suffering " the "suffering" that Buddhism talks about?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Yes, then do it quickly. So the point is to do what you can or else surrender to the situation.
You can go hungry and yet not suffer mentally. Suffer means being unsatisfied with the current situation.Originally posted by casino_king:Is the "suffering" when you do not eat good or bad? Is this the "suffering " the "suffering" that Buddhism talks about?
If you go hungry and is happy with that will you not end up starved to death? If the world can go hungry and be happy with it, why do people need to jump in front of MRT trains? Why don't they just happily starve to death? Why don't they sit in front of the TV or computer or simply lie in bed until they starve to death?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:You can go hungry and yet not suffer mentally. Suffer means being unsatisfied with the current situation.
If there is food just eat lor, why would you wanna starve when there is food? It's much more convenient and your human life is so precious.Originally posted by casino_king:If you go hungry and is happy with that will you not end up starved to death? If the world can go hungry and be happy with it, why do people need to jump in front of MRT trains? Why don't they just happily starve to death? Why don't they sit in front of the TV or computer or simply lie in bed until they starve to death?
So you agree that when people do not eat, they "suffer"? Is this "suffering" when you do not eat "good" or should be eliminated? When Buddhism sayOriginally posted by Eric Cartman:If there is food just eat lor, why would you wanna starve when there is food? It's much more convenient and your human life is so precious.
Because they are ignorant and go along with the conditions in their life unconsciously? Are they willing to take up any job?
Hunger and mental suffering are different. You can get hungry and hunger is just hunger. You think you shouldn't be hungry, you think about food even though you know that you can't find food, you make up stories in your mind about how pathetic you are - that's where mental suffering comes from and it is unneccessary. You can't do much about physical suffering (if given no choice) unless you meditate often and deeply I guess, so if you can't solve the physical suffering then dont let unneccessary mental suffering add on to your agony by thinking up stories.Originally posted by casino_king:So you agree that when people do not eat, they "suffer"? Is this "suffering" when you do not eat "good" or should be eliminated? When Buddhism say
The first truth is that life is suffering...
Is the "suffering" the same the suffering that comes from not eating?
When you do not eat, the suffering is in your mind or in your stomach? If you cut your finger, the pain is in your mind or your finger?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Hunger and mental suffering are different. You can get hungry and hunger is just hunger. You think you shouldn't be hungry, you think about food even though you know that you can't find food, you make up stories in your mind about how pathetic you are - that's where mental suffering comes from and it is unneccessary. You can't do much about physical suffering (if given no choice) unless you meditate often and deeply I guess, so if you can't solve the physical suffering then dont let the mental suffering add on to your agony by thinking up stories.
Suffering is in your mind. Hunger is in your stomach and pain is in your finger.Originally posted by casino_king:When you do not eat, the suffering is in your mind or in your stomach? If you cut your finger, the pain is in your mind or your finger?
So according to you, a paralysed person with his spinal cord severed can feel pain since pain is in his finger?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Suffering is in your mind. Hunger is in your stomach and pain is in your finger.
I'm not a doctor, but if he can't feel the pain in his finger then good for him. If he feels the pain in his finger he can't do anything about it anyway, other than call for help or something.Originally posted by casino_king:So according to you, a paralysed person with his spinal cord severed can feel pain since pain is in his finger?
So if he feels pain he can "for help or something" right? Pain is miserable, is suffering correct? Is Pain and suffering when you have a cut good? Is Buddhism encouraging you to eliminate this suffering? The suffering that comes from hunger and a cut on your finger?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I'm not a doctor, but if he can't feel the pain in his finger then good for him. If he feels the pain in his finger he can't do anything about it anyway, other than call for help or something.
This is the last time I am going to say this. If you can solve the problem, solve it and get over it. If you can't, accept the situation and dont add mental suffering to your physical suffering. Mental suffering is unneccessary because it doesn't help to improve the situation.Originally posted by casino_king:So if he feels pain he can "for help or something" right? Pain is miserable, is suffering correct? Is Pain and suffering when you have a cut good? Is Buddhism encouraging you to eliminate this suffering? The suffering that comes from hunger and a cut on your finger?
How do you differentiate "mental" and "physical" suffering? Isn't all suffering "mental "? Isn't pain, no matter where you cut your body, located in your mind since a paralysed person does not feel pain?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:This is the last time I am going to say this. If you can solve the problem, solve it and get over it. If you can't, accept the situation and dont add mental suffering to your physical suffering. Mental suffering is unneccessary because it doesn't help to improve the situation.
Physical suffering probably can be eliminated through meditation I guess? I'm not a meditator.
Ultimately it is all in the mind but it doesn't matter. Just solve the problem or take it on your chest.Originally posted by casino_king:How do you differentiate "mental" and "physical" suffering? Isn't all suffering "mental "? Isn't pain, no matter where you cut your body, located in your mind since a paralysed person does not feel pain?
Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I started this line of questioning with you because you said here:
Ultimately it is all in the mind but it doesn't matter. Just solve the problem or take it on your chest.
[b]The thing is don't suffer more than you need to. Don't make stories about how pathetic you are and then get totally drowned in it because that is more of a hindrance than of help. Pain is just pain and is not neccessarily equal to suffering.[/b]
Well I can afford to take this small amount of mental suffering. I am also not a meditator, neither am I very keen on practising mindfulness.Originally posted by casino_king:I started this line of questioning with you because you said here:
27 December 2006 · 07:27 PM "Ultimate reality is kinda boring. (I'm thinking I have got it)"
Originally posted by Eric Cartman:So the suffering that comes from "pain" and "hunger" is not the same as suffering that comes form thinking "how pathetic you are and then get totally drowned in it" ?
Ultimately it is all in the mind but it doesn't matter. Just solve the problem or take it on your chest.
[b]The thing is don't suffer more than you need to. Don't make stories about how pathetic you are and then get totally drowned in it because that is more of a hindrance than of help. Pain is just pain and is not neccessarily equal to suffering.[/b]
Yup they are not the same. You left out an important word - "thinking"Originally posted by casino_king:So the suffering that comes from "pain" and "hunger" is not the same as suffering that comes form thinking "how pathetic you are and then get totally drowned in it" ?
What about the suffering that comes from trying to achieve something? Is it in the category of suffering from "pain" and "hunger" or in the latter category?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Yup they are not the same. You left out an important word - "thinking"