The Error of Buddhism
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Found this documentary clip online.
Should give it a watch.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6317066305444907870&q=islam+and+buddhism -
Eh..... Is this like going to be another anti-religous post?Originally posted by -[0]-:Found this documentary clip online.
Should give it a watch.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6317066305444907870&q=islam+and+buddhism -
And the purpose of this thread is?
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Wah 50 minutes? -_-"
Tmr bah... see if I got time.. still need to pack luggage and stuff.. -
the clip depicts more like having an erroneous view on buddhism than "error of buddhism".
all my muslim friends have respect for other religion and they told me that they don't criticise other religion but to respect and live in harmony with regardless of race or religion - that's what they been taught and guided.
not sure the guy who made the video is a muslim or not but it is not nice to compare and weigh against others with own ignorance and lack of own sufficient practice and substantial research and study.
if one can do this to one religion so can he / she do it unto others. it is not in harmony with nature whether one believes in god or not. "if there's a god, think he'll be very sad to know how people distort him with personal view and opinions "in the name of god".
as a buddhist, i'm not affected by any criticsm, even in real life people did tell me right into my face that buddhist are very poor as compared to other religion.
do i care? like i always feel "ai zhai" - steady. but criticsm like this is and such clip... sigh... don't see any purpose in it except it carries a rather hostile prejudice message, which i feel what's very important today is we need to do most is to serve humanity and restore nature with compassion, love, wisdom, kindness instead of syndicating a revolution to win religious battles or beliefs which causes disharmony, sufferings and aversion in people around. -
that's what i was thinking also.Originally posted by laurence82:And the purpose of this thread is? -
Thanks for the summary, so in short, can we conclude the clip is a waste of time?Originally posted by paperflower:the clip depicts more like having an erroneous view on buddhism than "error of buddhism".
all my muslim friends have respect for other religion and they told me that they don't criticise other religion but to respect and live in harmony with regardless of race or religion - that's what they been taught and guided.
not sure the guy who made the video is a muslim or not but it is not nice to compare and weigh against others with own ignorance and lack of own sufficient practice and substantial research and study.
if one can do this to one religion so can he / she do it unto others. it is not in harmony with nature whether one believes in god or not. "if there's a god, think he'll be very sad to know how people distort him with personal view and opinions "in the name of god".
as a buddhist, i'm not affected by any criticsm, even in real life people did tell me right into my face that buddhist are very poor as compared to other religion. do i care? like i always feel "ai zhai" - steady. but criticsm like this is and such clip... sigh... don't see any purpose in it except it carries a rather hostile prejudice message, which i feel what's very important today is we need to do most is to serve humanity and restore nature with compassion, love, wisdom, kindness instead of syndicating a revolution to win religious battles or beliefs which causes disharmony, sufferings and aversion in people around. -
Ok I shall reply a bit on the Full of Error video now that I have some time.
I have decided to refute every ridiculous claims in this video (unfortunately there are countless of such 'evangelical', 'propaganda' videos that is a complete distortion or misunderstanding of Buddhism. so any more of such crap videos coming up, I'm just going to refer them to this topic.)
At 2:47, Their days will be spent in hunger and poverty. They will not work and they will beg for food. They will have no family lives and they will have nothing to wear but these clothes. And what is more, they will do all these in the superstitious belief in order not to be reborn as a fly or a mouse.
This is absurd to the point of...
Firstly monks are not hungry because there are lots of followers who give them alms, on the material level they are adequate and stable, and secondly they have realised the true gems and wealth of the universe is only to be found in the Three Treasures (Buddha, Dharma, Sangha).
The ultimate aim of Buddhism is liberation, nirvana, not just being reborn in higher realms and creating better karma. Anyone - even non-monks - can create good karma and be reborn in heaven. In fact even lay people can practise and be enlightened, liberated.
The reason why some Buddhists chose to renounce? Because they wish to wholly concentrate their lives on the practising of the dharma leading to the great liberation and serving the lays.
Ok. Next, at 3:16, For Buddhists, who spend their days in pointless irrational rituals, life is always dark and stagnant.
Again, that is not understanding Buddhism's Sangha and monastic community at all. Rituals take up very little time of a Monk's life. A monk seeks to learn the dharma, practise the dharma, and serve the lay people. Useless rituals are shunned and rejected by Buddhism. Meditation is certainly not a ritual, but a practise to develope concentration and insight, and so is chanting. Another purpose of chanting is to gain knowledge of the scriptures and make sure that one is well versed, knows the words of the Buddha well.
In fact, one of the fundamental “defilements” that drops away at first awakening (the stage of Sotapanna or Stream-enterer) is attachment to rites and rituals, i.e. Buddhism, ceremony, specific techniques, and religious and cultural trappings in general.
Next. At 3:28, Furthermore, among all these rituals, Buddhism cause people to forget God or even to deny him.
What a bunch of crap.. let's not talk about the rituals, but in the first place, does Buddhism even teach about a Creator?
Quite unlike Buddhists, those who live under the moral values of Islam are always productive, happy, and at peace.
Some kind of propaganda nonsense. I am not questioning Islam's goodness, but to say that Buddhists are not productive, happy and at peace is absurd. I'm sure the author has not met any true Buddhists and is merely trying his best to badmouth Buddhism to the best of his ability (and a very bad attempt)
Buddha chose to speak about his basic tenets and hand on his form of worship orally.
Buddhists don't worship any supreme deities.
The only subject matter in this book is people suppressing all their desires and trying to train souls living in poverty and suffering.
Buddhism teaches liberation from desires, not suppressing. Suppressing seems like putting a rock on top of a weed but once the rock is removed, it grows again. But liberation means the root of the weed (of Ignorance) is uprooted.
Secondly: Buddhists practise middle way of neither the extreme of luxurious wealth, and the other extreme of ascetism.
Buddhists build their lives on supppressing human wishes and desires and by performing various rituals.
Suppressing human values and desires --> explained above. Rather, Buddhists aim to develope insights and looking into the very nature of existence, and as a result we free ourselves from false notions such as a permanent and seperate self, or seeing permanence whereas the truth is they are impermanent.
Actually when Buddha said 'Desire is Suffering', we must be careful in understanding it. Dharma Dan said: “Craving,” “attachment,” and “desire” are some of the most dangerous words that can be used to describe something that is actually much more fundamental than these seem to indicate. The Buddha did talk about these conventional forms of suffering, but he also talked about the fundamental suffering that comes from some deep longing for a refuge that involves a separate or permanent self. We imagine that such a self will be a refuge, and so we desire such a self, we try to make certain sensations into such a self, we cling to the fundamental notion that such a self can exist as a stable entity and that this will somehow help. The side effects of this manifest in all sorts of additions to mind states and emotions that are not helpful, but these are side effects and not the root that cause of suffering that the Buddha was pointing to.
Rituals --> pure lol.
The process of turning Buddha into an ideal began immediately after his death. Buddhist priests set to make him Divine. They adorn the places they live and with great statues of the Buddha and superstitiously worship these idols they made with their own hands.
Firstly, Buddha is an ideal because he taught that everyone could attain enlightenment like him. The theory that 'Buddhist priests' (btw is monks or nuns, not priests) make him divine or make him into an ideal is plain queer and without basis.
Secondly, Buddha himself allowed (in his lifetime) his disciples to make images of him while he travels to preach his mother in the heavens. That is the beginning of the tradition of making images and statues of Buddha. However, we do not worship any forms and images of Buddha. Instead, we pay reverence and respects to the Buddha, treating him like our honoured teacher, not a divine, supreme deity. -
yeah can say so also.Originally posted by SumOne:Thanks for the summary, so in short, can we conclude the clip is a waste of time?
i watched almost half way, i sian already cos all is negative things about buddhism which reflects alot of errors in viewing buddhism rather than errors in buddhism.
the clip is still playing now though.
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An absolute sweeping statement. And where does he get this kind of conclusions man? He's worse than a kid.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Ok I shall reply a bit on the Full of Error video now that I have some time.
[b]I have decided to refute every ridiculous claims in this video (unfortunately there are countless of such 'evangelical', 'propaganda' videos that is a complete distortion or misunderstanding of Buddhism)[/b][/quote]
You're right, some of the claims are really absurb. Says a lot about people who made the video.At 2:47, They will not work and they will beg for food. They will have no family lives and they will have nothing to wear but these clothes. And what is more, they will do all these in the superstitious belief in order not to be reborn as a fly or a mouse.
[quote]Next. At 3:28, Furthermore, among all these rituals, Buddhism cause people to forget God or even to deny him.A comment like that is said without objectivity in place.
Comments like that show he has very poor understanding about Buddhism, and sadly enough, he is the best they could find to make an 'informative' video about Buddhists. -
Actually before one could critisize a religion, one should fully understand the doctrines. If the basic fundamentals are erroneous, the following arguments are then invalid.
Besides, one should not use a different set of tools to measure something which is very different. In academic term we called it clash of paradigms. Thats a big 'tsk tsk'. -
Ok, so I'll just wait for the extracts from the Mod's posts I guess. But it's because of people like these that we should promote better understanding between people of different religions and different races.Originally posted by paperflower:yeah can say so also.
i watched almost half way, i sian already cos all is negative things about buddhism which reflects alot of errors in viewing buddhism rather than errors in buddhism.
the clip is still playing now though.
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wow thank you AEN for going thru the clip and correct the errors in details.
gong de wu liang
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yes of cos sure.Originally posted by SumOne:Ok, so I'll just wait for the extracts from the Mod's posts I guess. But it's because of people like these that we should promote better understanding between people of different religions and different races.
i'll not be going against that for the benefit of all. -
You know, it really makes me wonder why they bother making such a video in the first place? Especially since all they were going to do was bash the religion. To even make a video on it? Seems like very devious agenda to me.Originally posted by laurence82:Actually before one could critisize a religion, one should fully understand the doctrines. If the basic fundamentals are erroneous, the following arguments are then invalid.
Besides, one should not use a different set of tools to measure something which is very different. In academic term we called it clash of paradigms. Thats a big 'tsk tsk'.
Then again, I haven't watched the clip. -
Without dirt, you would not know what is clean.Originally posted by SumOne:You know, it really makes me wonder why they bother making such a video in the first place? Especially since all they were going to do was bash the religion. To even make a video on it? Seems like very devious agenda to me.
Then again, I haven't watched the clip.
Without sadness, you would not know what is happiness.
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Aiyo.. I just realised I got all the answers I need over here: http://www.suanie.net/category/buddhism-stuff/
No need to waste time watch the supremely boring show that is making me so tired... *yawns*
Time to sleep.. but before that I'm going to post everything there is on the website over. -
On the other hand, I think some of the answers there isn't too good and inaccurate. Ok then... tomorrow continueOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Aiyo.. I just realised I got all the answers I need over here: http://www.suanie.net/category/buddhism-stuff/
No need to waste time watch the supremely boring show that is making me so tired... *yawns*
Time to sleep.. but before that I'm going to post everything there is on the website over. -
Hmmm, seriously, there's no point making refuting point on the video. Afterall, the creator is not going to visit this website and see his/her erroneous views being rectified. He/she is not interested in that anyway. It was produced by some irresponsible people who maybe, orchestrated the 911. Anyway, it's way too long and the targetted audience are probably some millitant groups who are anti all religious except theirs.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:On the other hand, I think some of the answers there isn't too good and inaccurate. Ok then... tomorrow continue -
ic... ok thenOriginally posted by coolbluewater:Hmmm, seriously, there's no point making refuting point on the video. Afterall, the creator is not going to visit this website and see his/her erroneous views being rectified. He/she is not interested in that anyway. It was produced by some irresponsible people who maybe, orchestrated the 911. Anyway, it's way too long and the targetted audience are probably some millitant groups who are anti all religious except theirs.
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Let me summarize the video: Bullsh!t.
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Just finished watching the video. I feel that the author is biased against buddhism and in the video, he makes buddhism sound like a cult just because buddhism is an atheist religion and say what buddhism teaches ppl to inflict sufferings and pain on themselves. Then, he also keep quoting from the Quran and keep praising Islam as the best religion. The threadstart obviously got some bad motives.
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lol.. Buddha taught end of suffering, not suffering.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Just finished watching the video. I feel that the author is biased against buddhism and in the video, he makes buddhism sound like a cult just because buddhism is an atheist religion and say what buddhism teaches ppl to inflict sufferings and pain on themselves. Then, he also keep quoting from the Quran and keep praising Islam as the best religion. The threadstart obviously got some bad motives. -
i am a chirstian...
but i repect all other ppl belief in their religion...
everyone have the right to lead their own life...
let me say something...
i am sure every religion aim is to creat peace and not havoc right?
so why bad mouth other religion and creat chaos?
the world is in a chaos cus of this ppl...
stupid mouth!!!
they are the only ppl we can bad mouth!!!
anyone agree with me? -
Yup... I hope all religions can co exist peacefully on an international scale taking Singapore as a prime exampleOriginally posted by popikachu:i am a chirstian...
but i repect all other ppl belief in their religion...
everyone have the right to lead their own life...
let me say something...
i am sure every religion aim is to creat peace and not havoc right?
so why bad mouth other religion and creat chaos?
the world is in a chaos cus of this ppl...
stupid mouth!!!
they are the only ppl we can bad mouth!!!
anyone agree with me?