Energetic question
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Tony Parsons has mentioned that preceding or during enlightenment there is an apparent release of energy outward.
The contraction that is the separate sense of self is the cause of this.
I have experienced and am still experiencing this phenomenon.
Have you experienced this, what is it like for you?
What does Buddhist teaching say about this? -
can you post an answer for my dharma dan topicOriginally posted by JonLS:Tony Parsons has mentioned that preceding or during enlightenment there is an apparent release of energy outward.
The contraction that is the separate sense of self is the cause of this.
I have experienced and am still experiencing this phenomenon.
Have you experienced this, what is it like for you?
What does Buddhist teaching say about this? -
Originally posted by JonLS:
Yes JonLS and the intensity differ. For a non-dual experiencer, u must also feel light and radiance bright with ever renewing joy. If the 'sensation' is felt in its raw state with the practice of mindfulness, it can be very strong as if beaming out from no where to everywhere. They are the 7 factors of enlightenment. For now only the first 4 factors will be quite vivid. Do read about it.
Tony Parsons has mentioned that preceding or during enlightenment there is an apparent release of energy outward.
I have experienced and am still experiencing this phenomenon.
Have you experienced this, what is it like for you?
What does Buddhist teaching say about this?
You may want to read about non-dual and karmic patterns by longchen.
http://buddhisim.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=225462The contraction that is the separate sense of self is the cause of this.
Indirectly. It is due more to the breaking lose of the an illusionary bond of 'self' at the pre-coscious level. There are few other such bonds that are equally strong.
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The body is destroyed due to the Law of Energy Conservation.Originally posted by JonLS:Tony Parsons has mentioned that preceding or during enlightenment there is an apparent release of energy outward.
The contraction that is the separate sense of self is the cause of this.
I have experienced and am still experiencing this phenomenon.
Have you experienced this, what is it like for you?
What does Buddhist teaching say about this?
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Yesterday, I had the brightest non-dual experience ever.
As the mental activities continues to dissolves away and i was staring into the blank space in front... The most penetrating brightness occurs... It was so bright that 'me' gets stunned back to 'self'.
I never thought that Reality is so incredibly Bright! It is truly stunning! -
Originally posted by longchen:Yesterday, I had the brightest non-dual experience ever.
As the mental activities continues to dissolves away and i was staring into the blank space in front... The most penetrating brightness occurs... It was so bright that 'me' gets stunned back to 'self'.
I never thought that Reality is so incredibly Bright! It is truly stunning!
It needs fearlessness to face it. The propensity is still there. The second door is important. Good luck. -
mm im wondering if loving-kindness will lead to state of bright state ?
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Yah... fearlessness is what i need.Originally posted by Thusness:
It needs fearlessness to face it. The propensity is still there. The second door is important. Good luck.
Thanks Thusness. -
Coz i faced it too....Originally posted by longchen:Yah... fearlessness is what i need.
Thanks Thusness. -
Hi Isis,Originally posted by Isis:mm im wondering if loving-kindness will lead to state of bright state ?
The Bright is the result of progressive non-duality. Or rather, brightness is the original state.
The way (that i know) that will lead towards it is through realisations. ... of which the major turning point realisation is:
"The sense of self (me, I) is not the doer of any action."
Before this realisation, we( and the rest of the human population) believe that the 'self' is in control of all the actions and activity. However, this is not so. This 'sense of self' is more like an additonal layer of mental activity that wants this or that. This is much like a child that throws tantrum but is quite powerless to do anything. This realisation allows us to willingly let go of the excessive mental grasping that is this 'sense of self'.
The progressive non-grasping will lead to a state of no-self... that is what is meant by non-duality. That is the activities are carried out without the sense of self. There are many tones/depths of non-duality... but they all have a vividness and clarity quality.
Also, this progressive non-duality will lead to a stage where the mystery of the world/existence is revealed. It is like psychology unknowingly leading one towards understanding the mystery about existence.
regards
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I am catching no ball here, where does that energy come from?
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Hi Longchen.. will reread the thread posted previously regarding this matter.Originally posted by longchen:Hi Isis,
The Bright is the result of progressive non-duality. Or rather, brightness is the original state.
The way (that i know) that will lead towards it is through realisations. ... of which the major turning point realisation is:
"The sense of self (me, I) is not the doer of any action."
Before this realisation, we( and the rest of the human population) believe that the 'self' is in control of all the actions and activity. However, this is not so. This 'sense of self' is more like an additonal layer of mental activity that wants this or that. This is much like a child that throws tantrum but is quite powerless to do anything. This realisation allows us to willingly let go of the excessive mental grasping that is this 'sense of self'.
The progressive non-grasping will lead to a state of no-self... that is what is meant by non-duality. That is the activities are carried out without the sense of self. There are many tones/depths of non-duality... but they all have a vividness and clarity quality.
Also, this progressive non-duality will lead to a stage where the mystery of the world/existence is revealed. It is like psychology unknowingly leading one towards understanding the mystery about existence.
regards
congrats in the progression of the path. Continue it! -
Originally posted by longchen:
It is also important to note that preceding this realization, you have the intuitive experience of Eternal Witness and have been continuously seeking and refining this experience for many years. How Presence is being mistaken as the “Eternal Witness” and the eventual realization that “The sense of self (me, I) is not the doer of any action” cannot be underemphasized. The depth of insight and experience of a person having “Eternal Witness” to the experience of “The sense of self (me, I) is not the doer of any action” is of different dimension. This condition has profound implication that led to the eventual realisation of non-duality.
Hi Isis,
The Bright is the result of progressive non-duality. Or rather, brightness is the original state.
The way (that i know) that will lead towards it is through realisations. ... of which the major turning point realisation is:
"The sense of self (me, I) is not the doer of any action."
Before this realisation, we( and the rest of the human population) believe that the 'self' is in control of all the actions and activity. However, this is not so. This 'sense of self' is more like an additonal layer of mental activity that wants this or that. This is much like a child that throws tantrum but is quite powerless to do anything. This realisation allows us to willingly let go of the excessive mental grasping that is this 'sense of self'.
The progressive non-grasping will lead to a state of no-self... that is what is meant by non-duality. That is the activities are carried out without the sense of self. There are many tones/depths of non-duality... but they all have a vividness and clarity quality.
For Buddhists:
Perhaps (in my opinion), this is the condition that triggered the Blessed One to teach about the Tatagathagarba doctrines in Mahayana Buddhism. A teaching that sounded so much like the Atman in Hinduism. Obviously many practitioners are unable to have the deep insight into the truth of Anatta (no-self) that lead one to the realisation that all being the One Reality; otherwise the teachings of Tatagathagarba would be deemed redundant.
Well put!
Also, this progressive non-duality will lead to a stage where the mystery of the world/existence is revealed. It is like psychology unknowingly leading one towards understanding the mystery about existence. -
Thanks Thusness for bringing out this very important point.
Yah... before the realisation of 'sense of self is not the doer of action', I was stuck in the assumption that 'Self' is the Eternal Witness. This is the I AM stage. I was stuck for many years in that stage.
Many so-called enlightened persons are really at the 'Eternal Witness' stage. They will usually say things like: 'I am the watcher of the thoughts' or 'be the Witnessing Presence'. These are not complete understandings. Because of this, a person may not be fully 'detached' as this constant assumption that 'I AM the Eternal Witness' is a subtle form of mental attachment.
The truth is, there is NO witness that is apart from all the happenings. Manifestations themselves know... Knowingness is in-built.
Hi Isis,
I sensed that you will very likely arrive upon this 'Eternal Witness' too. Pls understand this and don't get stuck for so long like me.
regards -
what about me?Originally posted by longchen:I sensed that in this life you will very likely arrive upon this 'Eternal Witness' too. Pls understand this and don't get stuck for so long like me.
regards -
I suggest you stop being so meta-physical and start working on the physical which normal people can understand.Originally posted by longchen:Thanks Thusness for bringing out this very important point.
Yah... before the realisation of 'sense of self is not the doer of action', I was stuck in the assumption that 'Self' is the Eternal Witness. This is the I AM stage. I was stuck for many years in that stage.
Many so-called enlightened persons are really at the 'Eternal Witness' stage. They will usually say things like: 'I am the watcher of the thoughts' or 'be the Witnessing Presence'. These are not complete understandings.
The truth is, there is NO witness that is apart from all the happenings. Manifestations themselves know... Knowingness is in-built.
Hi Isis,
I sensed that in this life you will very likely arrive upon this 'Eternal Witness' too. Pls understand this and don't get stuck for so long like me.
regards -
This posts are for those who can understand..lah.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I suggest you stop being so meta-physical and start working on the physical which normal people can understand.
In the forums, we help each other out, mah.
I also serve NS, got IPPT, got job stress, must talk to tons of people on the job, must eat also. You think i walk around with a blank stare and live in the mountains, ah. -
so whats the point of all this when you still have job stress?
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You must understand that realisations does not remove one from all the nitty-gritty of life.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:so whats the point of all this when you still have job stress?
Otherwise, you will be sorely disappointed. That was why i said before that we should not try to solve the conventional problems in life with 'spiritual means'. Otherwise, it is another form of escapism.
That means that the rigor of the job demand must be solved by conventional solutions and not just say... "all is just illusion".
Also, any realisations will not annull past effects. You still must live through them. -
I think you must first get rid of all the fantasies that you have acquired about psychic power, being a Buddha, attaining transcendant body...etc.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:what about me?
If you are still interested after getting rid of them, then got some chance.
I apologise for being so frank. -
nah its ok i like frank people.Originally posted by longchen:I think you must first get rid of all the fantasies that you have acquired about psychic power, being a Buddha, attaining transcendant body...etc.
If you are still interested after getting rid of them, then got some chance.
I apologise for being so frank.
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And please do not use any social skills on me. Be as brutally honest as you can be with me.Originally posted by longchen:I think you must first get rid of all the fantasies that you have acquired about psychic power, being a Buddha, attaining transcendant body...etc.
If you are still interested after getting rid of them, then got some chance.
I apologise for being so frank. -
There is nothing wrong with you...lahOriginally posted by Eric Cartman:nah its ok i like frank people.
In fact please tell me everything that I am wrong at.
I also have been interested in all kinds of mysterious stuffs...like UFO, alien, ghost, supernatural stuffs, etc. I still am
It is just that the nature of spiritual work is none of these endeavours. So... am just thinking that when it comes to the actual 'work'... the rigor and dryness may not be very appealing to you. -
So there is still suffering?Originally posted by longchen:You must understand that realisations does not remove one from all the nitty-gritty of life.
Otherwise, you will be sorely disappointed. That was why i said before that we should not try to solve the conventional problems in life with 'spiritual means'. Otherwise, it is another form of escapism.
That means that the rigor of the job demand must be solved by conventional solutions and not just say... "all is just illusion".
Also, any realisations will not annull past effects. You still must live through them. -
From my understanding only...Originally posted by Eric Cartman:So there is still suffering?
As long as one is physically alive some form of suffering is inevitable.
Why is that so? Because the body and all of its functional relations are still there.
If 'all is an illusion', the moment that this is realised... the body should go 'poof' and disappear into thin air. But, alas, that is not the case.
This is perhaps because all causes, effects and conditions pertaining to body are still intact, even after realisations... and thereforth pose the remaining sets of suffering pertaining to bodily functioning, sustaining and maintaining.
However, perhaps with the disintegration of the body upon death... these remaining conditions will also be gone for good... for one who completes the path.
Again pls read with discernment.