Energetic question

• Eric Cartman

  2 Jan 07, 21:32

  Originally posted by longchen:

  From my understanding only...
  
  As long as one is physically alive some form of suffering is inevitable.
  
  Why is that so? Because the body and all of its functional relations are still there.
  
  If 'all is an illusion', the moment that this is realised... the body should go 'poof' and disappear into thin air. But, alas, that is not the case.
  
  This is perhaps because all causes, effects and conditions pertaining to body are still intact, even after realisations... and thereforth pose the remaining sets of suffering pertaining to bodily functioning, sustaining and maintaining.
  
  However, perhaps with the disintegration of the body upon death... these remaining conditions will also be gone for good... for one who completes the path.
  
  Again pls read with discernment.
  
  

  So it is only physical suffering that is left after enlightenment? Is stress physical or mental?
• longchen

  2 Jan 07, 21:44

  Originally posted by Eric Cartman:

  So it is only physical suffering that is left after enlightenment? Is stress physical or mental?

  Again... i can only post from my understanding as i have yet to complete the path.
  
  All suffering is mental... because it is felt in the mind. Suffering is simply the intense desire to have certain condition that is not reflective of the present moment condition. The mind simply do not want the present condition and this is suffering.
  
  Many types of suffering are so unconscious/unknown to the person that they present as background moods of dissatisfaction. For example... restlessness is such a form of suffering. As one goes further along the path, more and more of these unknowns are discovered and dissolves away.
  
  The answer may be more complex than this... because human life and need is complex with physical needs linking to mental ones and vice versa.
  
  One must be flexible and nimble on the spiritual path. Don't fixate on any idea. Dynamics are much more complex than mere summarisation.
• Herzog_Zwei

  3 Jan 07, 09:35

  Originally posted by longchen:

  From my understanding only...
  
  As long as one is physically alive some form of suffering is inevitable.
  
  Why is that so? Because the body and all of its functional relations are still there.
  
  If 'all is an illusion', the moment that this is realised... the body should go 'poof' and disappear into thin air. But, alas, that is not the case.
  
  This is perhaps because all causes, effects and conditions pertaining to body are still intact, even after realisations... and thereforth pose the remaining sets of suffering pertaining to bodily functioning, sustaining and maintaining.
  
  However, perhaps with the disintegration of the body upon death... these remaining conditions will also be gone for good... for one who completes the path.
  
  Again pls read with discernment.
  
  

  So the theory that "all is an illusion" is not true.
  If it is true, the body should have converted from mass to energy in accordance to conservation of energy.
  Therefore suffering in other words is inevitable and thus there is no enlightenment when there is a release of energy from the body.