is this gonna help
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like every morning i wake up right after a dream and then i see the reality in my dream dissolve to make way for real life reality
i always feel so calm after that.
then sometimes i stay without a reality after my dream disappeared just laying on my bed feeling good -
We must understand our sensate experiences differ moment to moment according to conditions, whether in waking or sleeping phase of our life.
Both the dream state and waking state is not the reality that Buddhism is talking about unless you are aware of the ultimate reality of whatever sensate experience at that moment. Similarly you can become aware of the ultimate reality even in dreams, although that is only after you attain a fairly advanced level.
When you wake up you feel calm because your mind is not yet active in your daily business. It may be a good idea that you make good use of the early morning to meditate for 30 minutes. Meditating in morning is better in some ways. -
Wow, now I'm supposed to reach full enlightenment in 1 step?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Both the dream state and waking state is not the reality that Buddhism is talking about unless you are aware of the ultimate reality of whatever sensate experience at that moment. Similarly you can become aware of the ultimate reality even in dreams, although that is only after you attain a fairly advanced level. -
i think if i were to get up from bed wanting to meditate with a certain posture i wont be as calm anymoreOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:When you wake up you feel calm because your mind is not yet active in your daily business. It may be a good idea that you make good use of the early morning to meditate for 30 minutes. Meditating in morning is better in some ways. -
No I did not say that. I simply said that waking state is not the reality that Buddhism is talking about so it doesn't matter ultimately whether it is waking or sleeping.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Wow, now I'm supposed to reach full enlightenment in 1 step? -
You don't have to think if it's real or not.
So ..... what is reality?
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How come?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:i think if i were to get up from bed wanting to meditate with a certain posture i wont be as calm anymore
Sitting straight is better because you will not feel drowsy and become more alert. -
I'm nowhere near "ultimately", so please know what to say and dont confuse meOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:No I did not say that. I simply said that waking state is not the reality that Buddhism is talking about so it doesn't matter ultimately whether it is waking or sleeping. -
cos i have totally no thoughts at all just laying thereOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:How come?
Sitting straight is better because you will not feel drowsy and become more alert. -
Reality is the Luminous (Awareness) Emptiness of our Buddha Nature expressing itself in our moment to moment sensate experiences, and to elaborate there are 3 ultimate characteristics of phenomena which are known as the 3 Dharma Seals, which you can read about it here: The Three Characteristics of Existence (Must read!), which I highly recommend reading as it teaches the fundamentals about the View of ultimate reality in Buddhism which serves as a foundation for Insight practices leading to enlightenment.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:You don't have to think if it's real or not.
So ..... what is reality? -
In meditation there is a danger of falling into a state of dullness, characterised by the state of drowsiness. There is little thoughts, but it is basically a state of turpor and is unconducive to Buddhist practice. Be careful of being in that state. Even if you felt calm, maintain mindfulness.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:cos i have totally no thoughts at all just laying there -
how do i differentiate that and jhanasOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:In meditation there is a danger of falling into a state of dullness, characterised by the state of drowsiness. There is little thoughts, but it is basically a state of turpor and is unconducive to Buddhist practice. Be careful of being in that state. Even if you felt calm, maintain mindfulness. -
Why complicate this language when all you need is to learn in spirit?
Spiritual growth exceeds what can be learnt from language versions/intepretations.
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Jhana is not just a state of calmness. It is absorption and all sorts of jhana characteristics show up. If you want to find out more about the characteristics of jhana please read up. It is very easy to differentiate if you know them well.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:how do i differentiate that and jhanas
Another thing is, it is impossible for a beginner to skip into a high level jhana. For beginners if they practise shamatha they usually enter 1st jhana first. -
why isnt it 7th jhana of nothingness??Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Jhana is not just a state of calmness. It is absorption and all sorts of jhana characteristics show up. If you want to find out more about the characteristics of jhana please read up. It is very easy to differentiate if you know them well.
Another thing is, it is impossible for a beginner to skip into a high level jhana. For beginners if they practise shamatha they usually enter 1st jhana first. -
Sorry if you have difficulty understanding the terms I used. These terms are quite easy if you are a Buddhist and are familiar with dharma, but for a start you may want to read up on the web link to the article on the 3 Characteristics.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Why complicate this language when all you need is to learn in spirit?
Spiritual growth exceeds what can be learnt from language versions/intepretations.
(fantasy is still fantasy)
Of course Insight into ultimate reality is not obtained through mentally understanding anything, but through Insight practise, by observing the moment to moment reality our sensate experience presents to us, we will eventually come to realise the 3 Characteristics, and the intrinsic luminosity, etc. Still, a basic understand of the 3 characteristics is necessary as it is a pointer on what to look out for, to be constantly aware of, in Buddhism Insight practise.
If you feel that these things are still too deep... you may want to start with other beginner books so you have a more thorough understanding of what is Buddhism first.. before entering more deeply into practises. -
hanor. noob.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Sorry if you have difficulty understanding the terms I used. These terms are quite easy if you are a Buddhist and are familiar with dharma, but for a start you may want to read up on the web link to the article on the 3 Characteristics.
Of course Insight into ultimate reality is not obtained through mentally understanding anything, but through Insight practise, by observing the moment to moment reality our sensate experience presents to us, we will eventually come to realise the 3 Characteristics, and the intrinsic luminosity, etc. Still, a basic understand of the 3 characteristics is necessary as it is a pointer on what to look out for, to be constantly aware of, in Buddhism Insight practise. -
Cannot say like that lah. A few years ago we would have been the same. I just updated my previous post.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:hanor. noob. -
yup we were noobs back thenOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Cannot say like that lah. A few years ago we would have been the same. I just updated my previous post. -
It is not because in 7th jhana your consciousness is wholly absorbed into a state of nothigness with nothing else, this nothingness is not a calmness or just an absence of thoughts. Absorption in samatha jhana is very stable especially when in higher jhanas, and is not something that lasts just a while.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:why isnt it 7th jhana of nothingness??
How absorbed it is? In samatha jhana the consciousness is so absorbed that the awareness of body is gone (even in lower jhanas it can be the case) -
I'm calm for the rest of the day or the 2nd or 3rd day.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It is not because in 7th jhana your consciousness is wholly absorbed into a state of nothigness with nothing else, this nothingness is not a calmness or just an absence of thoughts. Absorption in samatha jhana is very stable especially when in higher jhanas, and is not something that lasts just a while. -
Calm in your description probably just means not so agitated.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I'm calm for the rest of the day or the 2nd or 3rd day.
But there are still a lot of mental activity and thoughts going on, and if you pay attention enough you will know.
In Jhanas it is not like that, absorption is very stable. Like the mind is totally stuck in that state with superglue. -
so if i got into 7th jhana im going to not be able to do anything even after i get up??Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Calm in your description probably just means not so agitated.
But there are still a lot of mental activity and thoughts going on, and if you pay attention enough you will know.
In Jhanas it is not like that, absorption is very stable. Like the mind is totally stuck in that state with superglue. -
Anyway just to add on: it is impossible to attain samatha jhana when interacting with things. Samatha jhanas can only be attained in deep meditation. There is also a danger of entering chanting samadhi when driving so when driving don't be too concentrated on chanting, maintain awareness of surroundings as well.
Back to jhana and interaction. By typing all these, there are already thoughts. You need to plan and think how to ask me, etc. All these are thoughts. In Samatha jhana the mind is absorbed into a mental state and has no room for interacting in the real world.
Insight is however not the same and even the reality of thoughts can be investigated. -
There is a faster way , but you may not have been just as fated.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Sorry if you have difficulty understanding the terms I used. These terms are quite easy if you are a Buddhist and are familiar with dharma, but for a start you may want to read up on the web link to the article on the 3 Characteristics.
Of course Insight into ultimate reality is not obtained through mentally understanding anything, but through Insight practise, by observing the moment to moment reality our sensate experience presents to us, we will eventually come to realise the 3 Characteristics, and the intrinsic luminosity, etc. Still, a basic understand of the 3 characteristics is necessary as it is a pointer on what to look out for, to be constantly aware of, in Buddhism Insight practise.
If you feel that these things are still too deep... you may want to start with other beginner books so you have a more thorough understanding of what is Buddhism first.. before entering more deeply into practises.
Walking with your angel. if you Haven't been there , so you continue to read books.
In life you fantasize about afterlife, in the spiritual world you fantasize about what you can do when you were/are going to life.
Fantasy is nothing, just walk your life(reality).
walk in spirit(reality).
Talk is cheap.