is this gonna help
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Except that you can get out of that state eventually. But during the state of jhana the mind is like superglue stuck to the state and not moving.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:so if i got into 7th jhana im going to not be able to do anything even after i get up?? -
ya thats what i gotOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Except that you can get out of that state eventually. But during the state of jhana the mind is like superglue stuck to the state and not moving. -
Spirit? Angels? All these have nothing to do with the ultimate reality that Buddhism is talking about.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:There is a faster way , but you may not have been just as fated.
Walking with your angel. if you Haven't been there , so you continue to read books.
In life you fantasize about afterlife, in the spiritual world you fantasize about what you can do when you were/are going to life.
Fantasy is nothing, just walk your life(reality).
walk in spirit(reality).
Talk is cheap.
Dealing with spiritual entities are discouraged in Buddhism because almost always dealing with spiritual entities means dealing with the spirit, lower realms. We do not want to create that kind of affinity even though the spirits may provide us with certain benefits. Secondly, all these things are far off, and have nothing to do with gaining insights, liberation, enlightenment, finding the highest bliss of Nirvana. -
That state can only last for a short (maybe a few seconds, less than a minute) while before a thought arise. That is all that the mind can achieve without the strength of at least access concentration (which is even prior to first jhana), especially when there is no sustained effort in maintaining one pointedness in a state of meditation.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:ya thats what i got
Jhana state has the stability of not moving out at all for hours, not moving at all like in a super glue state.
Anyway the state of nothingness is not just a state where thoughts temporarily subside. It is a state where the 5 senses subside, all the mental states of rupture, then joy, equanimity, changing to infinite space, consciousness, etc etc all subside altogether, everything subside and then the mind enters into a state of nothingness. Obviously the jhanas are totally different from just trying to stop your thoughts for a while. Otherwise everyone can do attain jhanas immediately.
So in short, go read up, don't everyday say you got it when obviously you haven't.. -
i didnt try to stop my thoughts i just woke up from my dream and then stayed thereOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:That state can only last for a short (maybe a few seconds, less than a minute) while before a thought arise. That is all that the mind can achieve without the strength of at least access concentration (which is even prior to first jhana), especially when there is no sustained effort in maintaining one pointedness in a state of meditation.
Jhana state has the stability of not moving out at all for hours, not moving at all like in a super glue state.
Anyway the state of nothingness is not just a state where thoughts temporarily subside. It is a state where the 5 senses subside, all the mental states of rupture, then joy, equanimity, changing to infinite space, consciousness, etc etc all subside altogether, everything subside and then the mind enters into a state of nothingness. Obviously the jhanas are totally different from just trying to stop your thoughts for a while. Otherwise everyone can do attain jhanas immediately. -
There are fewer thoughts doesn't mean there is no thoughts at all. The calmness is felt relative to our daily living because often in our daily living our minds are highly agitated like bad weather in the sky causes the sea waves to be stronger. Even when there is no wind there is still waves but just lesser and we feel relatively peaceful.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:i didnt try to stop my thoughts i just woke up from my dream and then stayed there
Absorption is a totally different thing and is a completely different dimension from our daily living kind.
Anyway I was saying, for beginners without sustained effort, it would even be more impossible to maintain a state without thought for more than a matter of seconds, like 10 seconds. -
i also cant remember anything when i was in my state
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It simply means you were not mindful when the thoughts arisen.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:i also cant remember anything when i was in my state -
no no i mean when i just wake up and i stayed there not remembering anything, the memories come back later slowlyOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:It simply means you were not mindful when the thoughts arisen. -
The thoughts will surface naturally, although vague, even if you do not try to remember anything.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:no no i mean when i just wake up and i stayed there not remembering anything, the memories come back later slowly
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Hi NotFromVenus,Originally posted by NotFromVenus:There is a faster way , but you may not have been just as fated.
Walking with your angel. if you Haven't been there , so you continue to read books.
In life you fantasize about afterlife, in the spiritual world you fantasize about what you can do when you were/are going to life.
Fantasy is nothing, just walk your life(reality).
walk in spirit(reality).
Talk is cheap.
In the ultimate sense, the angels are not separated from you.
If we perceive the angels as separated from oneself... we fail to understand the truth of existence.
In the past, i too assumed that there must be some higher powers communicating with 'oneself'. Now, I knew that all these are just appearance of being such.
The angels must not be viewed as subjective beings... rather they are symbolic representations...