Feeling guilty eating delicacies?
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anyone here feeling guilty eating prawns, crabs, meat, sharkfins, abalone and so forth?
any bad kamma from eating these delicacies? i admit i like eating prawns, crabs and shark fins, but at the same time, feel guilty -
I am a vegetarian .
I quit eating meat due to guilt . -
If you feel guilty you might consider becoming vegetarian... or if you can't become vegetarian instantly, do it gradually. My master recommend people to take vegetarian breakfast. But if you can, it will be best you just become a vegetarian straight away.Originally posted by marcteng:anyone here feeling guilty eating prawns, crabs, meat, sharkfins, abalone and so forth?
any bad kamma from eating these delicacies? i admit i like eating prawns, crabs and shark fins, but at the same time, feel guilty
There is some karma in eating any kind of meat... just that it will be lighter if you eat the meat under the 5 clean meat principle:See whole article: http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol5no4a.htm
(1) That he did not slaughter the animal personally
(2) That he did not instruct others to slaughter
(3) That the slaughter was not committed for his sake
(4) That he did not witness the slaughter
(5) That he did not hear the cries associated with the slaughter -
Now I cut down on the eating of seafood, especially like clams, oysters, prawns and crabs. This is because logically speaking, the numbers just don't seem good. A plate of chicken probably just required one chicken to sacrifice. A plate of chilli clams or oysters or prawns required so many lives to be sacrificed. And if these seafood were ordered in those "Fresh Seafood" restaurant, their deaths will be decided by me and just because I "itchy mouth long time no eat liao leh", they will have to die.
So now I just stick to a plate of chicken 1st. If I try hard enough, maybe next time chicken also don't have to die for me (indirectly)
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I just could not accept seeing people eating turtle soup. The way the turtle is beheaded, very cruel. In China, they even eat cute terrapins, and tortoise. Downright cruel and bad karma, as these creatures have very long life.
I have also seen the suffering that sheep and lamb go through after they are knifed in the throat to bleed to death, for humans to eat their meat. Very sad.
Initially, it is a bit hard to get used to being vegetarian. But after you turn vegetarian for 3 months, you will lose craving for meat. Eating meat is just a habit. Human's teeth show that they were meant to be vegetarians, not carnivores. -
thats kinda gross, for the animals to bleed to death for us humans to consume themOriginally posted by norm:I just could not accept seeing people eating turtle soup. The way the turtle is beheaded, very cruel. In China, they even eat cute terrapins, and tortoise. Downright cruel and bad karma, as these creatures have very long life.
I have also seen the suffering that sheep and lamb go through after they are knifed in the throat to bleed to death, for humans to eat their meat. Very sad.
Initially, it is a bit hard to get used to being vegetarian. But after you turn vegetarian for 3 months, you will lose craving for meat. Eating meat is just a habit. Human's teeth show that they were meant to be vegetarians, not carnivores.
you are rite, eating is a habit, can be changed if make sincere effort -
If our diet consist of eating animal meats like lamb, sheep, chicken, cow, pig, then our body's own human meat and flesh will be made up of protein from these animals. Thats why some people have body odour that smell like lamb, sheep, cow odour. Thats because their own human flesh is made up of these animal meats.Originally posted by norm:I just could not accept seeing people eating turtle soup. The way the turtle is beheaded, very cruel. In China, they even eat cute terrapins, and tortoise. Downright cruel and bad karma, as these creatures have very long life.
I have also seen the suffering that sheep and lamb go through after they are knifed in the throat to bleed to death, for humans to eat their meat. Very sad.
Initially, it is a bit hard to get used to being vegetarian. But after you turn vegetarian for 3 months, you will lose craving for meat. Eating meat is just a habit. Human's teeth show that they were meant to be vegetarians, not carnivores.
If we just eat vegetables, then the protein that make up our human body flesh will be non animal meat in nature. It will be more pure, less body odour. -
After I turn vegetarian, I feel more "clean". Because my flesh is no longer made up of animal flesh.Originally posted by norm:If our diet consist of eating animal meats like lamb, sheep, chicken, cow, pig, then our body's own human meat and flesh will be made up of protein from these animals. Thats why some people have body odour that smell like lamb, sheep, cow odour. Thats because their own human flesh is made up of these animal meats.
If we just eat vegetables, then the protein that make up our human body flesh will be non animal meat in nature. It will be more pure, less body odour. -
i read somewhere dat eating beef is very sinful, n buddhists should awoid it at all costs.
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What is the purpose of becoming vegetarian?
Very obvious: Great Compassion! The Buddha says eating meat destroys the very root of compassion, therefore Bodhisattva practitioners whom compassion is so important, must avoid eating meat.Surangama Sutra (Mahayana)
In the Chapter entitled "The enlightenment of others" and the section Prohibition against Killing, page 154. The Buddha said:
"If a man can (control) his body and mind and thereby refrains from eating animal flesh and wearing animal products, I say he will really be liberated."
Also from the Surangama Sutra:
"The reason for practicing dhyana and seeking to attain Samadhi is to escape from the suffering of life, but in seeking to escape from the suffering ourselves why should we inflict it upon others? Unless you can so control your minds that even the thought of brutal unkindness and killing is abhorrent, you will never be able to escape from the bondage of the worldÂ’s lifeÂ…After my Parinirvana in the last kalpa different kinds of ghosts will be encountered everywhere deceiving people and teaching them that they can eat meat and still attain enlightenmentÂ… How can a bhikshu, who hopes to become a deliverer of others, himself be living on the flesh of other sentient beings?"
Brahmajala Sutra, (What the Teaching is Not), from the Pali Canon; "Long Discourses of the Buddha", Sutta 1: Translation by Maurice Walshe pages 69 and 70.
"Whereas some ascetics and Brahmins, feeding on the food of the faithful, remain addicted to the enjoyment of stored-up goods such as food, drink, clothing, carriages, beds, perfumes and meat, the ascetic Gotama refrains from such enjoyment."
Lankavatara Sutra (Mahayana) translated from Sanskrit by D. T. Suzuki. This Sutra was a discussion of the fundamental concepts of Mahayana Buddhism. Chapter Eight is entirely devoted to the prohibition of meat eating.
"The Blessed One said this to him: For innumerable reasons, Mahamati, the Boddhisattva, whose nature is compassion, is not to eat any meat."
"Now, Mahamati, the food I have permitted (my disciples to take) is gratifying to all wise people but is avoided by the unwise; it is productive of many merits, it keeps away many evils; and it has been prescribed by the ancient Rishis. It comprises rice, barley, wheat, kidney beans, beans, lentils, etc., clarified butter, oil, honey, molasses, treacle, sugar cane, coarse sugar, etc.; food prepared with these is proper food."
"If, Mahamati, meat is not eaten by anybody for any reason, there will be no destroyer of life. Mahamati, in the majority of cases the slaughtering of innocent living beings is done for pride and very rarely for other causes."
"It is not true, Mahamati, that meat is proper food and permissible for the Sravaka ( a hearer, hence a pupil or beginner) when (the victim) was not killed by himself, when he did not order others to kill it. When it was not specially meant for him."
Scripture of BrahmaÂ’s Net translated from the Chinese by Rev. Hubert Nearman with Rev. Master Jiyu-Kennett and Rev. Daizui MacPhillamy as consultants and editors. Page 138.
Third Less Grave Precept:
On eating meat.
"Disciples of the Buddha, should you willingly and knowingly eat flesh, you defile yourself by acting contrary to this less grave Precept. Pray, let us not eat any flesh or meat whatsoever coming from living beings." -
Actually the beef thing is not from Buddhism or Buddha...Originally posted by 798:i read somewhere dat eating beef is very sinful, n buddhists should awoid it at all costs.
any reasons for it?
I posted previously:The custom of not eating beef is linked with Hinduism and Chinese folks culture. Because they do not forget the hard work that cows have helped in their agriculture. And also, the Hindus treat cows as holy animals.
If want to be vegetarian, don't eat any meat, not just don't eat beef!
Actually Buddha did not particularly single out beef as not to be eaten. However, those who choose to eat meat should eat meat under only three conditions:
did not see the killing, did not hear the killing, and do not suspect that they were killed.
In this way, the meat is karmically purer. -
Thats because cows are known to cry buckets of tears as they line up to be slaughtered. They can't talk human language to ask for mercy, so they can only cry.Originally posted by 798:i read somewhere dat eating beef is very sinful, n buddhists should awoid it at all costs.
any reasons for it?
Last week newspapers feature a chinese restaurant release a huge turtle after it shed tears just before slaughter.
I started going vegetarian recently. Initially, it was very very difficult due to my craving for meats. I loved to eat meats. I had to give up my fav chicken rice, and eat "vegetarian chicken rice".
Then, after several weeks of not eating meat, I started eating chicken, beef. I could instantly experience a taste of blood in my mouth when I chew the meats. If u eat meats very often, your tastebuds get immune to the taste of blood & you will not feel the taste of blood in your mouth when u eat meats. -
I find that my shit, fart & sweat become less smelly after I turn vegetarian.Originally posted by norm:Thats because cows are known to cry buckets of tears as they line up to be slaughtered. They can't talk human language to ask for mercy, so they can only cry.
Last week newspapers feature a chinese restaurant release a huge turtle after it shed tears just before slaughter.
I started going vegetarian recently. Initially, it was very very difficult due to my craving for meats. I loved to eat meats. I had to give up my fav chicken rice, and eat "vegetarian chicken rice".
Then, after several weeks of not eating meat, I started eating chicken, beef. I could instantly experience a taste of blood in my mouth when I chew the meats. If u eat meats very often, your tastebuds get immune to the taste of blood & you will not feel the taste of blood in your mouth when u eat meats. -
I mean that my excreta and urine is less smelly, after I go on vegetarian diet.
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This is very true (even though I am not vegetarian I heard from others)... my mom and my dharma teacher and a lot a lot of other vegetarians made the same statement and observationOriginally posted by norm:I find that my shit, fart & sweat become less smelly after I turn vegetarian.
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Of course it's bad. It's high in cholesterol, causes Hep A, B and C, high blood pressures.Originally posted by marcteng:anyone here feeling guilty eating prawns, crabs, meat, sharkfins, abalone and so forth?
any bad kamma from eating these delicacies? i admit i like eating prawns, crabs and shark fins, but at the same time, feel guilty
From the angle of Buddhism, these animals died because of your desire to eat them. Like prawns, crab, meat, Sharkfin. Maybe you may say you bought them from the market, where they were already dead, but always remember the simple rule of Supply and Demand. Without demand, there's no motivation to do the catching. -
are you guilty about the cost of those delicacies or are you guilty about their lives? if you are guilty about their lives then why do you mention delicacy?
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as in after u noe u grow 4pounds heavier?
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Ya we should not just see them as 'delicacies' or 'food'Originally posted by Eric Cartman:are you guilty about the cost of those delicacies or are you guilty about their lives? if you are guilty about their lives then why do you mention delicacy?
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Cool! Didn't know there are so many vegetarians here
I once tried going vegetarian during my NS days... but failed as I couldn't cope with the physical demands of a soldier's life. With hindsight, I might have 'turned' vegetarian too abruptly and my body cannot adjust to it. Since then I have been eating meat but I observe the 5 principles posted by AEN. I have never ordered 'live' seafood though. -
Originally posted by Beyond Religion:
got so many meh? tot i read a couple only. +me, makes 3.
[b]Cool! Didn't know there are so many vegetarians here
but i also did it gradually.
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I thot four? Taiwanpolitics, Norm, yourself and AEN.....Originally posted by sinweiy:got so many meh? tot i read a couple only. +me, makes 3.
but i also did it gradually.
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Anyway, even 3 is very good... 3 out of 11 posters in tis thread = 27% -
I'm notOriginally posted by Beyond Religion:I thot four? Taiwanpolitics, Norm, yourself and AEN.....
Anyway, even 3 is very good... 3 out of 11 posters in tis thread = 27%
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my fren's frens.. say after watching the video on cruel-animals killings.. they find the foods more delicious...
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don't know how they can stomach such things lol -
Because food is food. If it's food to your friends, then they will enjoy the preparation of it. They understand that the preparation as well the consumption of the food is part and parcel of living.Originally posted by Isis:EHHHHHHH...
my fren's frens.. say after watching the video on cruel-animals killings.. they find the foods more delicious... ...
don't know how they can stomach such things lol