the five skanda - perceptions
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Hi, i have asked this question before > How do we form perceptions ?
My question now is
How did our mind perceive things as red or yellow or blue ? -
Because we have identified and formed a concept and label in our memories (8th consciousness). When the conditions manifest (i.e when there is yellow), the 8th consciousness seeds manifest and labels it as "yellow". That is what consciousness does... it registers, and forms a seed that sinks into our consciousness.Originally posted by Isis:Hi, i have asked this question before > How do we form perceptions ?
My question now is
How did our mind perceive things as red or yellow or blue ?
argh how do i let go of conceptsOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:
Wow.. what a wonderful post on Fear
Anyway was just wondering... during the time where conditions of your dream manifests, how would you know that you are meditating and opening your mouth? Does the 5 sense consciousnesses continue to function?
Anyway I was reminded of something Teacher Chen mentioned when reading your post... he taught that our everyday reactions to the external world can be summarised in four steps.
1) I see a mass of things
Because the 'thing' you saw is still distant away and you cannot see clearly, you also do not know that you are looking at. There is just the Sight, and it is the functioning of our Buddha Nature, Pristine Awareness. There is no mental reactions whatsoever (yet), nor labeling.
2) "Wah, Money!"
When we got closer to the object at the distant, we instantly recognised what it is - money. The reason why we recognised it as money is because we have seen and used the money before and many times, the currency is also familiar to us, we have planted the 'seed' of 'money' in our 8th consciousness and therefore, when the conditions are present, we spontaneously recognised it as "money".
3) "I came first, this is mine"
Due to our ignorance and habitual defilements, we 'personalise' the situation by making a stance that the money belongs to me, I came first, etc. Also known as 7th consciousness. There starts to be grasping and seeking, desire and lust.
4) Sin committed, resulting in either landing up in jail or rebirth in hell
You took away the money you are not supposed to take away and share with those around you, thereby committing a very heavy karma. The money could be used to save other people's life or for other important reasons, but somehow out of ignorance you cannot resist the temptations, and for that you will suffer karmic effects by ending up with a jail term and a horrible afterlife.
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So moral of the story is... do not wait until Step 4, it is too late. When 'Step 2' happens, we must instantly recognise it with mindfulness, and the thought is self-liberated. Otherwise we will go on seeking and grasping, leading to step 3, and step 4. Step 2 is the Cause/Seed, and Step 4 is the Effect. Step 1 is merely the functioning of our pristine awareness, buddha nature.[/b] -
hmm... you posted something similar last year.. how do we form perception?
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mmm maybe i shld rephrase my question clearer...
how come I and the others see the (red cup)?
maybe the cup is blue in another dimensions.. -
Hmm... perception in Buddhism refers more to mental perception so I misunderstood you.Originally posted by Isis:mmm maybe i shld rephrase my question clearer...
how come I and the others see the (red cup)?
maybe the cup is blue in another dimensions..
Anyway in Buddhism, all phenomena are due to various factors, conditions, and karma. When condition is, 'red' arises. When condition is not, 'red' ceases. Same goes for 'blue'.
There are Five "Niyama Dharma" that causes a result. They are...
* Karma Niyama - Consequences of one's actions
* Dhamma Niyama - Laws of nature
* Irthu Niyama - The seasons changes and climate
* Biija Niyama - Genetical inheritance
* Chitta Niyama - Will of mind -
Do you or anyone happens to know any sutra that explains it ?
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More info here: http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htmOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Hmm... perception in Buddhism refers more to mental perception so I misunderstood you.
Anyway in Buddhism, all phenomena are due to various factors, conditions, and karma. When condition is, 'red' arises. When condition is not, 'red' ceases. Same goes for 'blue'.
There are Five "Niyama Dharma" that causes a result. They are...
* Karma Niyama - Consequences of one's actions
* Dhamma Niyama - Laws of nature
* Irthu Niyama - The seasons changes and climate
* Biija Niyama - Genetical inheritance
* Chitta Niyama - Will of mind
....According to Buddhism, there are five orders or processes (niyama) which operate in the physical and mental realms.
They are:
1. Utu Niyama - physical inorganic order, e.g. seasonal phenomena of winds and rains. The unerring order of seasons, characteristic seasonal changes and events, causes of winds and rains, nature of heat, etc., all belong to this group.
2. Bija Niyama - order of germs and seeds (physical organic order), e.g. rice produced from rice-seed, sugary taste from sugar-cane or honey, peculiar characteristics of certain fruits, etc. The scientific theory of cells and genes and the physical similarity of twins may be ascribed to this order.
3. Karma Niyama - order of act and result, e.g., desirable and undesirable acts produce corresponding good and bad results. As surely as water seeks its own level so does Karma, given opportunity, produce its inevitable result, not in the form of a reward or punishment but as an innate sequence. This sequence of deed and effect is as natural and necessary as the way of the sun and the moon.
4. Dhamma Niyama - order of the norm, e.g., the natural phenomena occurring at the advent of a Bodhisattva in his last birth. Gravitation and other similar laws of nature. The natural reason for being good and so forth, may be included in this group.
5. Citta Niyama - order or mind or psychic law, e.g., processes of consciousness, arising and perishing of consciousness, constituents of consciousness, power of mind, etc., including telepathy, telaesthesia, retro-cognition, premonition, clairvoyance, clairaudience, thought-reading and such other psychic phenomena which are inexplicable to modern science.
Every mental or physical phenomenon could be explained by these all-embracing five orders or processes which are laws in themselves. Karma as such is only one of these five orders. Like all other natural laws they demand no lawgiver.
Of these five, the physical inorganic order and the order of the norm are more or less mechanistic, though they can be controlled to some extent by human ingenuity and the power of mind. For example, fire normally burns, and extreme cold freezes, but man has walked scatheless over fire and meditated naked on Himalayan snows; horticulturists have worked marvels with flowers and fruits; Yogis have performed levitation. Psychic law is equally mechanistic, but Buddhist training aims at control of mind, which is possible by right understanding and skilful volition. Karma law operates quite automatically and, when the Karma is powerful, man cannot interfere with its inexorable result though he may desire to do so; but here also right understanding and skilful volition can accomplish much and mould the future. Good Karma, persisted in, can thwart the reaping of bad Karma, or as some Western scholars prefer to say ‘action influence’, is certainly an intricate law whose working is fully comprehended only by a Buddha. The Buddhist aims at the final destruction of all Karma.... -
Not sure, but if you understand the principle of conditioned arising, you can explain everything by this principle..Originally posted by Isis:Do you or anyone happens to know any sutra that explains it ?
If a dog can only see black and white, that is because of karma and biological inheritance.. for example.