be in touch with unseen nature - Andrew PK Yap
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Hi AndrewPKYap, just to share, the dharma talk that i had attended was on "the pitfalls of meditation".Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I don't see it as setting a goal for yourself. You can only know it when you see it or have it. But if someone did not tell you about it, you might simply miss it.
It is like when you are traveling in a far country. You have no idea what you are doing there. You have no idea why you are there.
You are simply wandering everywhere.
If someone told you that in the far country there is a gate that will lead you to a wonderful place; when you come to the gate you will enter in.
Otherwise you will just keep on wandering and even if you come to the gate, you will go pass it and never enter in.
Without knowing these pitfalls which i had learnt from the venerable, i might have remain ignorant of my mistakes. I could probably mis-practising for a long time before i finally realised and progress on my path.
If you had felt lost, sought out a reliable meditation guru or/and read up on meditation materials. It is easy to get lost within oneself if one is new at meditating. Some might become deluded that one had attained something which in actual fact one didn't.
Mm so why do u want to relinquish your thought?
For me, I practise meditation for enhancing concentration and wisdom. This question is rather personal and varied, don't you think? It is important to have the right intention in everythings we do, included meditating> is that why u asked this question?
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and oh yeah, how long have u been meditating? Somehow, i feel u might not be a novice ??? -
Like I said earlier, if you do not ground yourself in "reality" that is insanity. The guiding principle is to always ground yourself in reality.Originally posted by Isis:Hi AndrewPKYap, just to share, the dharma talk that i had attended was on "the pitfalls of meditation".
Without knowing these pitfalls which i had learnt from the venerable, i might have remain ignorant of my mistakes. I could probably mis-practising for a long time before i finally realised and progress on my path.
If you had felt lost, sought out a reliable meditation guru or/and read up on meditation materials. It is easy to get lost within oneself if one is new at meditating. Some might become deluded that one had attained something which in actual fact one didn't.
Mm so why do u want to relinquish your thought?
For me, I practise meditation for enhancing concentration and wisdom. This question is rather personal and varied, don't you think? It is important to have the right intention in everythings we do, included meditating> is that why u asked this question?
: )
and oh yeah, how long have u been meditating? Somehow, i feel u might not be a novice ???
Buddhism is not about "giving up" and "replacing" but to recognise the "duality"; "Not one, not two."
A ==> B and C
A =/=> B
A =/=> C
You are A
You are familiar with B
You are not familiar with C because B is so overwhelming
You need to relinquish B in order to realise that C is there
Never forget that you, A ==> B and C;
Yet you are not B and C but you are A -
ohokOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Like I said earlier, if you do not ground yourself in "reality" that is insanity. The guiding principle is to always ground yourself in reality.
Buddhism is not about "giving up" and "replacing" but to recognise the "duality"; "Not one, not two."
A ==> B and C
A =/=> B
A =/=> C
You are A
You are familiar with B
You are not familiar with C because B is so overwhelming
You need to relinquish B in order to realise that C is there
Never forget that you, A ==> B and C;
Yet you are not B and C but you are A
.. do u have a simplier analogy?
I think I roughly know what you mean. But hor, i think a person who is highly mindful and wise, are actually aware of both B and C, neither attached to both.
"Ground with reality" so what is reality to you?
Aiyeah an enlightened person is actually more than grounded with reality that what you think.
What i had been explaing previously(ones bolded by u )....is to advise u to find a teacher to guide u.. i'm explaining the benefits of having a teacher to guide u lah... -
Why did you assume that I was referring to you when I talked about "delusion"?Originally posted by Isis:ohok .. do u have a simplier analogy?
what make u think im deluded with what i am saying here ?
"Ground with reality" and what is reality to you?
What i had been explaing previously and the ones bolded by u....is to advise u to find a teacher to guide u.. i m explaining the benefits of having a teacher to guide u lah...
If you do not know what reality is, I have to ask you if you are alive and I pity you. -
lol.. i ask u what is reality?.. since u tink u darn zaiOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Why did you assume that I was referring to you when I talked about "delusion"?
If you do not know what reality is, I have to ask you if you are alive and I pity you.
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Look around you, that is reality! But you must understand "not one, not two". There is more to what you see but that does not mean that what you see is not reality!Originally posted by Isis:lol.. i ask u what is reality?.. since u tink u darn zai
and if it is easy to explain..
A == B and C
A =/= B
A =/= C
A is Ultimate reality
B is reality around you
Just because A== B and C does not mean that B does not exists!
Please check (stop) yourself before you lose touch with reality (become insane).
Buddhism is not a cop out (escape from reality) -
erm what are u tryin to imply here?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Look around you, that is reality! But you must understand the what not one, not two is. There is more to what you see but that does not mean that what you see is not reality!
A == B and C
A =/= B
A =/= C
A is Ultimate reality
B is reality around you
Just because A== B and C does not mean that B does not exists!
Please check (stop) yourself before you lose touch with reality (become insane).
Buddhism is not a cop out (escape from reality)
and are u a qualified meditation teacher??
erm i tink u had mistaked what i had said.
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Originally posted by Isis:
You will have a hard time learning anything because you seem to think that people are talking about you all the time and you jump to conclusions all the time. We are simply having a discussion and you do not need to get so personal.
erm what are u tryin to imply here?
[b]and are u a qualified meditation teacher??
erm i tink u had mistaked what i had said.
Read properly. I re-edit before i read ur reply.
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im not getting personal here.. it is u whom is getting personal..Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:You will have a hard time learning anything because you seem to think that people are talking about you all the time and you jump to conclusions all the time. We are simply having a discussion and you do not need to get so personal.
cheers...
Probably mis-communciation. cos u quoted me so i tot u directing it to me.
Note the second time, i edit and delete that part, cos i think u might not be directin to me cos it makes no sense..
cheers again.. -
btw i check up ur blog on time..
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I said that you tend to take things personally because of the following:
"what make u think im deluded with what i am saying here ? "
".. since u tink u darn zai"
"and are u a qualified meditation teacher??"
I think I shall just ignore your posts because it is a waste of time to be arguing about these sort of things". -
sureOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:I said that you tend to take things personally because of the following:
"what make u think im deluded with what i am saying here ? "
".. since u tink u darn zai"
"and are u a qualified meditation teacher??"
I think I shall just ignore your posts because it is a waste of time to be arguing about these sort of things". -
We are here all learning from one another and mistakes k...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I said that you tend to take things personally because of the following:
"what make u think im deluded with what i am saying here ? " > cos u quoted me and i mis-inteprated that k.. it is incoherent that u said tat.. but noted that i had adi edited and deleted this statement before saw ur reply. Somemore u continue on that not grounded with reality. How i know what u mean huh?
".. since u tink u darn zai"> cos u sound like u know alot.. maybe u really do ?
"and are u a qualified meditation teacher??" > im just asking are u one?
Perhaps u do have a qualification to be one and u havent answer me how long have u meditated? There are pple who anyhow spread the wrong/incomplete insights and/or not using skillful means which might misleading others.
I think I shall just ignore your posts because it is a waste of time to be arguing about these sort of things". > yes u can. I don't mind at all.
Peace out.. -
Yes!Originally posted by Isis:We are here all learning from one another and mistakes k...
Peace out.. -
First of all, do forgive my lack of dharma knowledge, but what's reality where everything is impermanent?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Look around you, that is reality! But you must understand "not one, not two". There is more to what you see but that does not mean that what you see is not reality!
A == B and C
A =/= B
A =/= C
A is Ultimate reality
B is reality around you
Just because A== B and C does not mean that B does not exists!
Please check (stop) yourself before you lose touch with reality (become insane).
Buddhism is not a cop out (escape from reality) -
The impermanence IS reality!Originally posted by path_seeker:First of all, do forgive my lack of dharma knowledge, but what's reality where everything is impermanent?
Form is emptiness and that's it?
No!
Emptiness is form!
Embrace reality, do not escape from it. -
so what the hell are we all doing here?
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If you don't mind me asking, why is it so important to acknowledge that Emptiness is form and how do you embrace reality?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The impermanence IS reality!
Form is emptiness and that's it?
No!
Emptiness is form!
Embrace reality, do not escape from it. -
If you do not "acknowledge that Emptiness is form" then you have a dualistic mind. That is to say, you have an either or mind. If you do not "acknowledge that Emptiness is form" you will only suffer...Originally posted by path_seeker:If you don't mind me asking, why is it so important to acknowledge that Emptiness is form and how do you embrace reality?
If you do not "acknowledge that Form is Emptiness" you will only suffer...
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i kind of wondering ?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:If you do not "acknowledge that Emptiness is form" then you have a dualistic mind. That is to say, you have an either or mind. If you do not "acknowledge that Emptiness is form" you will only suffer...
If you do not "acknowledge that Form is Emptiness" you will only suffer...
or "ignorant"; the root cause of suffering.
acknowledge that Form is emptiness ,will only suffer ?
hmm , what kind of suffering will I get ?
or is it blissful to be ignorant of the fact we are suffering ?
or you are trying to implying that u hold everything as experience of suffering
while rejecting happy moments in life
Kind of mind-boggling in your statements
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Interesting. Few amateur question if you don't mind me asking again.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:If you do not "acknowledge that Emptiness is form" then you have a dualistic mind. That is to say, you have an either or mind. If you do not "acknowledge that Emptiness is form" you will only suffer...
If you do not "acknowledge that Form is Emptiness" you will only suffer...
or "ignorant"; the root cause of suffering.
1) What is Emptiness and what is Form?
2) What kind of suffering will I have if I failed to acknowledge that Emptiness is Form?
3) What kind of ignorant causes suffering?
4) What will i achieve if I acknowledged "Form is Emptiness and vice versa"? -
For Form is Emptiness and Emptiness is Form, please scan this forum BWB if you do not want to Google the internet.Originally posted by path_seeker:Interesting. Few amateur question if you don't mind me asking again.
1) What is Emptiness and what is Form?
2) What kind of suffering will I have if I failed to acknowledge that Emptiness is Form?
3) What kind of ignorant causes suffering?
4) What will i achieve if I acknowledged "Form is Emptiness and vice versa"?
The suffering that comes from ignorance and the suffering that comes from stupidity. -
Well, it's precisely I couldn't find anything that I understand on the part where Form is Emptiness and Emptiness is Form, which you could say is due to my lack of knowledge in this area. Hence, I gotta ask somebody senior, like yourself. I hope you don't take offence. If you don't mind, maybe you could put the theory in simple English, so that not only myself, the other readers who is eager to know, will undersand too.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:For Form is Emptiness and Emptiness is Form, please scan this forum BWB if you do not want to Google the internet.
The suffering that comes from ignorance and the suffering that comes from stupidity.
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The quote above is actually a very good example of "ignorance and stupidity" when he asked:Originally posted by bohiruci:i kind of wondering ?
acknowledge that Form is emptiness ,will only suffer ?
hmm , what kind of suffering will I get ?
or is it blissful to be ignorant of the fact we are suffering ?
or you are trying to implying that u hold everything as experience of suffering
while rejecting happy moments in life
Kind of mind-boggling in your statements
"acknowledge that Form is emptiness ,will only suffer ?" -
So is it because of the fact he asked makes him ignorant and stupid? I tot in your earlier posting, you mentioned something that one shouldn't stop questioning?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The quote above is actually a very good example of "ignorance and stupidity" when he asked:
"acknowledge that Form is emptiness ,will only suffer ?"