Global warming and Earth changes
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Hi Longchen,Originally posted by longchen:Reading the news nowadays about global warming and its effects, sets me pondering...
Global warming and Earth changes perhaps are our collective karmas.
I think we must seriously do our part in reducing the effects... like use less aircon, etc. All of us are guilty of it.
I forsee a future that may not be as comfortable or luxurious as we wanted to be... as we live the collective karmic effect of humanity's action.
I alway believe that we humans are not that special and are not the centre attraction of this planet. If we don't wake up, nature will sobber us through its brute power. We always think that science and inventions are so all powerful... but we have greatly underestimated the complexity of co-habitating with the rest of the planet.
Sorry for the preaching...
I donÂ’t think you are preaching; your message is timely; the weather is getting so erratic. It is quite alarming to realize that at the rate we are consuming the earth resources, it may only last for another few hundred years. It wonÂ’t take long for us to destroy our own habitats and that, is just few generation away; although we may not live to see the disastrous, we have to think a little for the future generations. We are abusing the natural systems.
I believe many are not aware of the harm and educations do play a role. Prior to taking environmental science decades back, I had absolutely no idea about the impact and consequences of pollutions. The idea that ‘resources will come to an end’ never existed.
Even with adequate education, developing nations are so helpless due to their poverty. Developed nations lure these nations into commitments. I shall not dwell deeper into it but the rapid disappearance of forests in many parts of the world is what caused the extra half carbon dioxide to be added to the atmosphere. Reducing the CO2 emissions is not just getting rid of CFCs, land use change is a major issue.
Locally, a taxation policy driven towards pro-green policies may help. At present the economic penalties are so small that it hardly drives people away from the demand of CFC sources. Internationally certain sorts of agreements are also necessary for nations to adhere to policies that will slow down greenhouse gases emission. Global warming is an international issue, If China, for example, continues to double their coal consumption every decade, it would do little help even all other countries put in effort.
Lastly we must be careful of futuristic renewable energy. I think very soon the world will turn to nuclear as an alternative source of energy. Is using nuclear is viable solution? I hope we are not replacing “flu with cancer”. I hope we do not replace ecological insecurity with nuclear threat.
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Accept it
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Can the answer to global warming really be found "out there" in the world?
Or is the problem originating from within?From "A Course in Miracles"
How many people does it take to save the world.
Just one.
And that person is you. -
Thanks all for the replies...
I agree with Thusness and JonLS.
Going Nuclear is certainly a worrying potential.
The other thing that (i feel) is a potential concern is supply/resource flow difficulties. Eventual oil shortages, crops, resources get destroyed in natural disasters, etc may pose accessibility problems to resource-scarce populations.
I feel that in the future, movement of supplies may be increasingly expensive or frustrating... due to oil supply-demand discrepencies and other potentially obscured factors.
I had this feeling some years ago that resource supply might be an eventual problem. With the recent destruction of malaysian crops in flood, this seems like a prelude to some potential difficulties. Well, it certainly was a huge difficulties for the people affected by the floods. Maybe I am being pessimistic. -
Is global warming really a problem?
Or are we all under the hypnotic illusion of a collective thought called "global warming"? -
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Even the enlightened respects all illusions.Originally posted by JonLS:Is global warming really a problem?
Or are we all under the hypnotic illusion of a collective thought called "global warming"? -
"A monk once made reference to a gatha composed by Wo-luan which reads as follows:" (Essays in Zen Buddhism – First Series 225)Originally posted by JonLS:Is global warming really a problem?
Or are we all under the hypnotic illusion of a collective thought called "global warming"?
"Hearing this, the sixth patriarch remarked: 'That is no enlightenment but leads one into a state of bondage. Listen to my gatha:" (Essays in Zen Buddhism – First Series 225)
I, Wo-luan, know a device
Whereby to blot out all my thoughts:
The objective world no more stirs the mind,
And daily matures my Enlightenment!
~ Wo-lun
I, Hui-neng, know no device
My thoughts are not suppressed:
The objective world ever stirs the mind,
And what is the use of maturing Enlightenment?
~ 6th Zen Patriarch Hui-neng -
ThanksOriginally posted by geforce:
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Hmmm... although i have fully understood that existence is non-dual and can at times goes into the bliss of no one, physical pain still hurts like hell.Originally posted by JonLS:Is global warming really a problem?
Or are we all under the hypnotic illusion of a collective thought called "global warming"?
I think we should not negate pain and suffering. For those who have suffered losses in the recent floods, the pain is real.
The subject-object split is false... but the pain created
by causes and conditions is real. -
And that is what non-dual is all about. There is no-self to obstruct the experience, it is as real and as clear as it can be.Originally posted by longchen:Hmmm... although i have fully understood that existence is non-dual and can at times goes into the bliss of no one, physical pain still hurts like hell.
I think we should not negate pain and suffering. For those who have suffered losses in the recent floods, the pain is real.
The subject-object split is false... but the pain created
by causes and conditions is real.
Side Message:
The deep dreamless sleep is a very precious state of being, a natural samadhi of its own, a measure of accomplishment in the first complete cycle of non-dual. If conditions are understood along with our pristine nature, all 3 states flow as a single whole. -
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The intent of the post was not to negate anything.
Originally posted by JonLS:
Is global warming really a problem?
Or are we all under the hypnotic illusion of a collective thought called "global warming"?
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Hmmm... although i have fully understood that existence is non-dual and can at times goes into the bliss of no one, physical pain still hurts like hell.
I think we should not negate pain and suffering. For those who have suffered losses in the recent floods, the pain is real.
The subject-object split is false... but the pain created
by causes and conditions is real.
But to affirm that nothing is known, nothing is believed.
All I can really say is "I don't know if it's real or not".
There is a complete "not knowing" which feels like an emptyness in the mind.
No thoughts or beliefs that are being grasped.
However I do notice that I am in alignment in my behaviour with a "conserver" mentality, nothing is wasted, energy is used sparingly etc... -
And that is what non-dual is all about. There is no-self to obstruct the experience, it is as real and as clear as it can be.
Yes, this sounds very good to me.
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I know
The intent of the post was not to negate anything.
But to affirm that nothing is known, nothing is believed.
It is this that I am referring. Not knowing should not immobilize "kwowingness".
All I can really say is "I don't know if it's real or not".
“Knowingness” has no mine or I; a clarity is merely clarity of ‘what is’. “I do not know whether JonLS is at the other side responding” is also buying “into content” to ascertain an “I-cognition” experience. Just be authenticated that “knowingness knows” and always so. Other than that is meddling of content to disturb that clarity.
There is a complete "not knowing" which feels like an emptyness in the mind.
No thoughts or beliefs that are being grasped. -
Originally posted by Isis:
arent we coming back as children in subsequent lives?
[b]Recycling is also practising compassion...
aren't we borrowing this planet from our children?
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Ya Buddhists should be mindful of thatOriginally posted by marcteng:arent we coming back as children in subsequent lives? -
This sounds very good to me.Originally posted by Thusness:“Knowingness” has no mine or I; a clarity is merely clarity of ‘what is’. “I do not know whether JonLS is at the other side responding” is also buying “into content” to ascertain an “I-cognition” experience. Just be authenticated that “knowingness knows” and always so. Other than that is meddling of content to disturb that clarity.
Are you saying that "not knowing" is part of the "I-cognition"?
They appear to be on the same level to me, the level of form, of thought. (of needing to know) (of grasping) -
increased population = increased pollution?
should we be reproducing like there is no tmrw?
perhaps we really are. -
Yes. The "I do not know" is a part of the "I-cognition", it is still thought acting upon itself to establish a dualistic fact. It is not the form of "knowingness" that you experienced in "I AM". That experience is "contentless", be free from a background. forget about the source and touch the heart of every arising directly.Originally posted by JonLS:This sounds very good to me.
Are you saying that "not knowing" is part of the "I-cognition"?
They appear to be on the same level to me, the level of form, of thought. (of needing to know) (of grasping) -
i see... Thanks.Originally posted by Thusness:And that is what non-dual is all about. There is no-self to obstruct the experience, it is as real and as clear as it can be.
Side Message:
The deep dreamless sleep is a very precious state of being, a natural samadhi of its own, a measure of accomplishment in the first complete cycle of non-dual. If conditions are understood along with our pristine nature, all 3 states flow as a single whole.
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I still have some way to go. I am no way near what that you have described. -
You are humble.Originally posted by longchen:I still have some way to go. I am no way near what that you have described. -
More like Chaos energy-time theory. The longer time has passed, more and more energy will turn chaotic(wasted).Originally posted by www:increased population = increased pollution?
should we be reproducing like there is no tmrw?
perhaps we really are. -
"I know", "I do not know", "I both know and do not know", "I neither know nor do not know", are the four extremes that are negated by the truth of Emptiness. (existence, non-existence, both, neither) When "knowingness" is not seen as an entity, then existence, non existence, both and neither do not apply. Similarly if "self" or "life" is not seen as an entity, there is no birth (existence) and death (non existence).Originally posted by JonLS:The intent of the post was not to negate anything.
But to affirm that nothing is known, nothing is believed.
All I can really say is "I don't know if it's real or not".
There is a complete "not knowing" which feels like an emptyness in the mind.
No thoughts or beliefs that are being grasped.
However I do notice that I am in alignment in my behaviour with a "conserver" mentality, nothing is wasted, energy is used sparingly etc...
"I know" and "I do not know" are just that.. an illusionary boundary between existence and non existence, like a line drawn between waking and sleeping. When we say "I do not know", does the knowingness belong to "me" or "I"? Nope. To say that "I do not know" is already a form of knowingness, with the karmic propensities of "self" as the conditions.
Similarly, mere knowingness is, dependent upon conditions do they arise. Everything is conditioned arising, but the ignorant tries to grasp them by imposing illusionary boundaries and views, thus illusions like the 4 extremes and so on.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:"Mere suffering is, not any sufferer is found
The deeds exist, but no performer of the deeds:
Nibbana is, but not the man that enters it,
The path is, but no wanderer is to be seen.
No doer of the deeds is found,
No one who ever reaps their fruits,
Empty phenomena roll on,
This view alone is right and true.
No god, no Brahma, may be called,
The maker of this wheel of life,
Empty phenomena roll on,
Dependent on conditions all."
- Visuddhimagga XVI 90
Reality has also nothing to do with subjective and objective world. When we say something like "I do not know", isn't it viewing reality as an objective and subjective reality? These are again more boundaries imposed by the mind.
But let's look at Master Tu Shun's teachings. According to him, every node is a universe itself.
So there are countless universes and each is interlinked. It is not in the form of a subjective and objective world. Now if we say you drop something, it is being reflected in all, and that is what Master Tu Shun is saying. "I do not know how you feel" is subjective and objective division. According to Master Tu Shun, there is no difference. It is a reflection in you and in all, no difference at all. "I feel" and "you feel" are all nodes reflecting. There are nodes, but knowing is true.
The metaphor of Indra's Jeweled Net is attributed to an ancient Buddhist named Tu-Shun (557-640 B.C.E.) who asks us to envision a vast net that:
* at each juncture there lies a jewel;
* each jewel reflects all the other jewels in this cosmic matrix.
* Every jewel represents an individual life form, atom, cell or unit of consciousness.
* Each jewel, in turn, is intrinsically and intimately connected to all the others;
* thus, a change in one gem is reflected in all the others.
This last aspect of the jeweled net is explored in a question/answer dialog of teacher and student in the Avatamsaka Sutra. In answer to the question: "how can all these jewels be considered one jewel?" it is replied: "If you don't believe that one jewel...is all the jewels...just put a dot on the jewel [in question]. When one jewel is dotted, there are dots on all the jewels...Since there are dots on all the jewels...We know that all the jewels are one jewel" ...".
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Yes!
So there are countless universes and each is interlinked. It is not in the form of a subjective and objective world. Now if we say you drop something, it is being reflected in all, and that is what Master Tu Shun is saying. "I do not know how you feel" is subjective and objective division. According to Master Tu Shun, there is no difference. It is a reflection in you and in all, no difference at all. "I feel" and "you feel" are all nodes reflecting. There are nodes, but knowing is true.
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Oh yes and I forgot to post:
http://freespace.virgin.net/sarah.peter.nelson/lazyman/lazyman1.html
CHAPTER ONE
Who Are We?
We are equal beings and the universe is our relations with each other. The universe is made of one kind of entity: each one is alive, each determines the course of his own existence.
etc... (See URL)