Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I don't think I said about pure awareness in deep dreamless sleep. I think I said non-dual in deep dreamless sleep.
Did I say I enter dreamless sleep consciously? The other time you were telling me that pure awareness is only correct if I can feel it even in deep dreamless sleep, to which confused me and I said I would need to meditate more to do that.
Yes you did, it was on msn. It was recent. Go look it up, my own comp is spoiled.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I don't think I said about pure awareness in deep dreamless sleep. I think I said non-dual in deep dreamless sleep.
Secondly, I misunderstood what Thusness implied about Ken Wilber's article on his experience in sleep. I thought he meant non dual, but only to realise later that he meant witnessing presence.
This proves that yours is merely a FEELING, nothing to do with insights, or enlightenment. Do read what Longchen said about No-Self as Pathless Insight and Dharma Seal just a while ago:Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Right now I conclude it because that feeling is gone. I saw it when I was waking up.
Originally posted by longchen:Our existence has ALWAYS been non dual. There is NEVER a moment that one is out of non-duality.
It is just that when thoughts are grasped... a 'self' is experienced... creating the perception of observer and the being observered.
There is really no entering into non-duality or getting out of it. Every moment is non-dual... but less grasping makes it more obvious...
Alright so what is insight and what is feeling? I've never said I was enlightened.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:This proves that yours is merely a FEELING, nothing to do with insights, or enlightenment. Do read what Longchen said about No-Self as Pathless Insight and Dharma Seal just a while ago:
Feeling is experience that arise out of various conditions, therefore conditioned phenomena, and all experiences come and go.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Alright so what is insight and what is feeling? I've never said I was enlightened.
So if ultimate reality is not any particular condition, what is there to do except lessen our grasping?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Feeling is experience that arise out of various conditions, therefore conditioned phenomena, and all experiences come and go.
Insight means the awakening out of the dream of our illusions, and intuitively sensing moment to moment the true nature of reality -- i.e non duality/no self, impermanence, emptiness, interdependent origination, luminosity blah blah blah. And the ultimate reality is not any particular condition, it is the unconditioned reality (of all conditions).
Continue to practise. Whatever feeling comes, continue to be mindful and aware of the reality of those feeling - these feelings are impermanent, these feelings are not me and there is no watcher of these feelings (no self/non duality), etc. (not just note it mentally but through practise like what dharma dan wrote in his 3 characteristics chapter) Maintain strong mindfulness in whatever experiences or feelings.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:So if ultimate reality is not any particular condition, what is there to do except lessen our grasping?
So what I do next?
I won't arise the thought of a watcher when I just woke up.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Continue to practise. Whatever feeling comes, continue to be mindful and aware of the reality of those feeling - these feelings are impermanent, these feelings are not me and there is no watcher of these feelings (no self/non duality), etc. (not just note it mentally but through practise like what dharma dan wrote in his 3 characteristics chapter) Maintain strong mindfulness in whatever experiences or feelings.
Just continue to be mindful until you become fully enlightened.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I won't arise the thought of a watcher when I just woke up.
That means I should continue with my sleeping meditation right? I can only do it in a vacation tho.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Just continue to be mindful until you become fully enlightened.
Like I said, you can't do meditation during sleeping. Like I said non dual propells to sleep naturally at certain stage.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:That means I should continue with my sleeping meditation right? I can only do it in a vacation tho.
Why can't I do meditation during sleeping? It's like a whole night of samadhi stored up and unleashed at the moment when you just woke up.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Like I said, you can't do meditation during sleeping. Like I said non dual propells to sleep naturally at certain stage.
You must do meditation sitted on your butt.. walking meditation works as well.
Erm you can do meditation when you wake up.. that's fine. I thought you said sleeping.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Why can't I do meditation during sleeping? It's like a whole night of samadhi stored up and unleashed at the moment when you just woke up.
No I dont meditate when I wake up. When I wake up I dont do anything. (Thats what productive meditation should be like isnt it)Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Erm you can do meditation when you wake up.. that's fine. I thought you said sleeping.
Don't talk about whether you are doing anything. The crucial matter is not whether you are doing anything, but whether you are mindful even when not doing or doing anything, and whether you are aware of the reality of that doing or not doing or whatever.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:No I dont meditate when I wake up. When I wake up I dont do anything. (Thats what productive meditation should be like isnt it)
My support is sleeping.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:BTW, I believe mindfulness with support (i.e breathing mindfulness) is important especially for beginner.
By support I mean, taking an object (like breathing) as the focus of mindfulness and 'investigation'.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:My support is sleeping.
I investigate my mind as it wakes up.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:By support I mean, taking an object (like breathing) as the focus of mindfulness and 'investigation'.
And how do you do that? What do you mean by your mind?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I investigate my mind as it wakes up.
by doing nothing and see what happens. I can only do this in a vacation where I slack all day.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:And how do you do that? What do you mean by your mind?
Originally posted by Eric Cartman:That is kind of a vague description. What is 'seeing what happens'? There has to be mindfulness of every single moment.. not sure if that is what you meant.
by doing nothing and see what happens.
I can only do this in a vacation where I slack all day.You can do it everyday. Take about 30 minutes each day (you certainly have that amount of time each day) to do formal meditation. Then even when typing on forum you can be mindful. For example just now I kind of lost my mindfulness and became lost in the content of my thoughts.
That is just a short lived calmness.. but even in a state of mental void you have to maintain your mindfulness.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:All these are just gone by themselves when you just woke up. I've done this before twice only.
kOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:That is just a short lived calmness.. but even in a state of mental void you have to maintain your mindfulness.