Originally posted by Isis:
Hi,
i must admit that i have some unclear understanding about pureland> one of them is gain liberation from samsara is by reborning in pureland.
Then i was told, that one will be reborn back to this world ( depend on individual's karma). It is not permanent at all?
in order to reborn in pureland,one mustn't think for oneself?
regards,
isis
Not true... I have a different understanding and I am not sure if others share this understanding.
When a person is born in pure land, his karma is already
pure. While it is true that he "brings his karma" to pure land, he does not bring wholesome or unwholesome karma to pureland. He brings
pure karma to pure land.
When he is at pure land, he can be forever at pure land and no longer needs to come back to samsara. The only reason why he would come back to samsara would be to carry out his Bodhisattva vows and save sentient beings.
http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol7no4d.htm
All forms are illusions
Rebirth in the Pure Land is only possible through pure karma
The Pure Land School of Buddhism advocates that when people die, they bring with them the karma that they had committed to be reborn in the Western Pure Land. This led to a lively debate on the subject. Some people argued that it means that regardless of the virtuous or evil karma [1] that one has committed, a person only needs to wholeheartedly recite “Amitabha Budhha” to the extent that he resonates with the power of the Amitabha Buddha’s vow, then he will be reborn in the Western Pure Land.
On the other hand, others advocated that people must bring with them virtuous karma in order to be reborn in the Western Pure Land, but not when they bring evil karma. Yet, others advocated that a person cannot be reborn in the Western Pure Land as long as he has karma and rebirth in the Pure Land can occur only when all the karma have been eliminated.
In reality, all people will be reborn according to their karma. The kinds of karma and the corresponding realms of rebirth are as follows:
* Karma of extreme evil leads one to be reborn in the hell realm
* Karma of ignorance and foolishness lead one to be reborn in the animal realm
* Karma of superstition leads one to be reborn in the ghosts and deities realm
* Blessings of observing the Five Precepts lead one to be reborn in the human realm
* Blessings of performing the Ten Virtuous Deeds lead one to be reborn in the heaven realm
* Actions or karma from hatred, anger and fighting lead one to be reborn in the asura realm
These are called “rebirth according to one’s karma”.
To be reborn in the Western Pure Land requires pure karma. Besides the pure karma, rebirth in the Western Pure Land is not possible at all with whatever kinds of virtuous and evil karma. Therefore, there is no basis to speak of rebirth in the Western Pure Land and then returning to this Saha world to bear the retribution of the karma that they had committed. Only the Bodhisattava, with the power of his vow, can return to this Saha world.
Notes:
[1] karma: A deed or action (either positive or negative; intentional or unintentional) of our thoughts, speech or body and its consequences. These consequences may manifest immediately or at any time in the future. Positive karma will generate pleasant consequences and vice-versa.
However, my Master also said regarding this topic that it is possible to change our karma into pure karma. It is said in the sutras that even though one is very sinful and has done many misdeeds can be reborn in pure land, so it is possible even for such person to change their karma. I think it is not very difficult with many expedient means that Buddha provided... and my Master himself has successfully brought many people to be reborn in Pure Land (it is said that all those who died with my Master around gets reborn in Pure Land, while some others get reborn in heaven because they are enticed after seeing the celestial beings). And it is said that chanting Amitabha can purify aeons of karma (if I am not wrong do correct me). Let's not forget that Angulimala can also attain enlightenment and nirvana after killing 999 people.