Do u think as buddhist,we shld foster deep bondage w pple?
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Do you think as buddhist, we should foster deep bondage among people?
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ok, i think yes but without attachment and self-craving intention.
infact buddhist should treat all sentient beings equal ... right? -
Yes of courseOriginally posted by Isis:Do you think as buddhist, we should foster deep bondage among people?
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ok, i think yes but without attachment and self-craving intention.
infact buddhist should treat all sentient beings equal ... right?
Especially genuine, true friendship with virtuous friends. Buddha spoke a lot..
Friendship with self craving attention isnt true friendship... or quality friendship. -
Hey AEN , can u explain what is self-craving in buddhist terms and why it will lead to suffering?
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Actually maybe you shld explain what you have in mind first?Originally posted by Isis:Hey AEN , can u explain what is self-craving in buddhist terms and what it will lead to suffering?
Anyway you also quite knowledgeable in Buddhism mah... -
Hurm... i need to do research.... i see what u post then i chip in ha ha
plus im not enlightened...
k i see what i can find lol.. : ) -
btw i the way i see "self-craving" is for one's own self-benefits and not for others. sometime.. too greedy...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes of course Especially genuine, true friendship with virtuous friends. Buddha spoke a lot..
Friendship with self craving attention isnt true friendship... or quality friendship.
and self-craving could lead to suffering when one does not get what he desire which is usual. -
Yea lor.. if got self craving like that what is the true friendship? Friendship is a "togetherness" you know... in it separation lightens or dissolves... we're in this together... but instead we try to make use of 'friends' for our benefit we are reinforcing the separation, craving more for myself..Originally posted by Isis:btw i the way i see "self-craving" is for one's own self-benefits and not for others.
and self-craving could lead to suffering when one does not get what he desire which is usual.
And yea what you said is right.. the problem with craving is its never satisfactory.. and even if its satisfactory its actually transient and still unsatisfactory... -
hmm... how to have deep bondage with others but without attachment? If i have good relationship with a friend, he die/bankrupt/marries/promoted/demoted/disable i will also feel for him mahOriginally posted by Isis:Do you think as buddhist, we should foster deep bondage among people?
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ok, i think yes but without attachment and self-craving intention.
infact buddhist should treat all sentient beings equal ... right? -
mmmmmm intention is very important by principle of karma.
btw i think i research on self-craving on another day.. i'm still having exam till 2nd May and now having a headache, abit tired.. my mind isn't thinking very clearly.. -
ONE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!.. u strikeOriginally posted by airgrinder:hmm... how to have deep bondage with others but without attachment? If i have good relationship with a friend, he die/bankrupt/marries/promoted/demoted/disable i will also feel for him mah
*congrats... -
i know where u studying lor. hohoOriginally posted by Isis:mmmmmm intention is very important by principle of karma.
btw i think i research on self-craving on another day.. i'm still having exam till 2nd May and now having a headache, abit tired.. my mind isn't thinking very clearly.. -
u also from there ?Originally posted by airgrinder:i know where u studying lor. hoho -
nope. from ur rival.Originally posted by Isis:u also from there ? -
Dear IsisOriginally posted by Isis:Do you think as buddhist, we should foster deep bondage among people?
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ok, i think yes but without attachment and self-craving intention.
infact buddhist should treat all sentient beings equal ... right?
We should treat all sentient beings equal ,
but of course there are people who dun like us ,in a way due to our "wisdom"
to them
We cannot ask the whole world to accept who we are
We just will try our best .
We are all human , also working towards own salvation ,in the process we will make mistake ,which is often true
I believe the last time i told you about the Pureland teaching to <>
then you can go to Western Paradise
Self -craving is due to our ego in our mind .The "I" notion is still big
If we do things do not expect a return to the community
thats the best way to eliminate self
Instead of posting on forum ,I was hoping in future to give a helping hand to
Children Cancer foundation and other Organisation who helps the patient on terminal illness
there we will learn and treasure lives and less of self
Whatever the experience , it just a step to make us a better person
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the qualifier for that is that you dont have feelings of sufferring, to you it is merely the result of "the natural flow of karmic forces", they come and they go, because their true nature is impermanence/ emptiness, you dont dwell on these eventsOriginally posted by airgrinder:hmm... how to have deep bondage with others but without attachment? If i have good relationship with a friend, he die/bankrupt/marries/promoted/demoted/disable i will also feel for him mah -
this state of freedom cannot be quantified, my friendOriginally posted by Isis:ONE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!.. u strike
*congrats...
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what is impermanence?Originally posted by Xprobe:the qualifier for that is that you dont have feelings of sufferring, to you it is merely the result of "the natural flow of karmic forces", they come and they go, because their true nature is impermanence/ emptiness, you dont dwell on these events
so if friend demoted/marries/die/etc etc, i feel for him just for a short time? -
Nor can it be qualified....Originally posted by Xprobe:this state of freedom cannot be quantified, my friend -
It's not about granting and qualification, but something you can experience. If you let go of something, you feel liberated. If you can attain complete liberation, that is like letting go of everything, due to insights into their Emptiness.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Nor can it be qualified.... -
Hence, the state cannot be qualified. Duh....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It's not about granting and qualification, but something you can experience. If you let go of something, you feel liberated. If you can attain complete liberation, that is like letting go of everything, due to insights into their Emptiness. -
you just cited a few examples of impermanence, you have the answer all alongOriginally posted by airgrinder:what is impermanence?
so if friend demoted/marries/die/etc etc, i feel for him just for a short time?
the "feeling" for someone's plight is also an impermanent state of mind, although the intensity and life-cycle of it is dependent on your karma entanglement with this particular individual
you can feel sorry for your friend for a long long time, but that doesnt really help him, does it? why not help him seek relief from the suffering associated with these events by teaching him the dharma
to extend this to the extreme, what good does do if you "feel" a lot at his/ her deathbed? "feeling" too much and believing that it is too real is just a form a mind masturbation -
true true, our language cannot come close to describe this state, agreeOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Hence, the state cannot be qualified. Duh....
or else Chan Masters would not have cited that if the "state" is put into words, all is lost (something like that) -
But hor, i kind of agree with AEN on it... the logic on it...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It's not about granting and qualification, but something you can experience. If you let go of something, you feel liberated. If you can attain complete liberation, that is like letting go of everything, due to insights into their Emptiness. -
Liberation cannot exactly be put into words but there can be a few good pointers...
http://www.ahalmaas.com/glossary/l/liberation.htm
Liberation
Liberation or freedom is not really concerned with any particular essential aspect, quality, or state. It does not matter what essential state exists in the experience of liberation. If you are free from personality, you are free no matter what the state is. In the state of liberation the content of experience becomes unimportant. It is very ordinary. Nothing specific happens, no huge realization or mind shattering experience. It is the most natural state. It is so ordinary and so natural that when we have it, we don't know we have it. It is so uneventful that almost everyone goes in and out of it frequently. (Diamond Heart Book 2, pg 2)
Being liberated means there is no clinging to anything; there is no worry, no concern, no heaviness. The mind is not fixated, focused or bound to any particular content; you are aware of whatever arises in the mind, without effort, without even trying to be aware. You don't care whether you are sensing your Essence, or even whether your Essence is there. Whether you are happy or sad, whether a person is there with you or not, none of these things seem important. For the moment you are completely free from all the concerns in your life. This state can never be achieved by striving for it. It will just happen one day, and if you notice it you won't think it's a big deal. You'll go on eating your dinner or whatever you are doing. The moment it becomes a big deal, it's gone. (Diamond Heart Book 2, pg 3)
Throughout life it comes and goes, for some people more often than others. It is a state of release, but without conscious feeling of release; everything is loose. This condition of freedom is not like liberation from some particular oppression; it is the raw state of liberation itself, so liberating that it doesn't matter what your experience is. You don't care what you're experiencing. Your heart is open and your mind doesn't fixate on preconceived ideas or worry about imagined possibilities. You're completely accepting without thinking or feeling that you're accepting. Essence will be there freely in whatever way your being needs at the moment, but still the Presence of Essence is not your focus, it's just who you are, what is present in your experience now. (Diamond Heart Book 2, pg 4)
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Nor a human experience such a state.Originally posted by Xprobe:true true, our language cannot come close to describe this state, agree
or else Chan Masters would not have cited that if the "state" is put into words, all is lost (something like that)