Buddhist Scouts
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Scout movement can't even take off yet, still want girl guide.Originally posted by Isis:ok mmmm but how come no girl guide?
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Actually the Scouting movement is a branch from The Boys' Brigade.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:cos it wont make sense if we are since scout movement is by itself Christian and Catholic related...
The BB was started by Sir William Alexander Smith for youths in his church to channel their time positively.
Scouting was started as a supplementary activity for the BB by Robert Baden-Powell. But its popularity grew and Troops grew. It managed to grow away from the BB without any religious base.
So, in my opinion, it's quite ironic that Buddhism has adopted it. -
Hi sillyme,Originally posted by sillyme:Actually the Scouting movement is a branch from The Boys' Brigade.
The BB was started by Sir William Alexander Smith for youths in his church to channel their time positively.
Scouting was started as a supplementary activity for the BB by Robert Baden-Powell. But its popularity grew and Troops grew. It managed to grow away from the BB without any religious base.
So, in my opinion, it's quite ironic that Buddhism has adopted it.
Nothing wrong with Buddhist scouts. If X'tians can hv BB & GB, there's no reason why Buddhist Boy Scouts & Girl Guides cannot exist. It is not a monopoly of only X'tians can have uniform groups, other religions can have also.
As BB & GB are X'tian-based, that would really be an irony that Buddhists adopted them. Since Scouting comes as neutral & secular-based movement, it would be easier for non-X'tian religions to adopt it than having burdened by the dominant X'tian values of the BB movement.
You seem to mean that Scouts should subordinate BB since it starts from them as claimed by you. Even if they are from the same source, that should not be assumed that Scouts is junior to BB.
Yours in Lord Buddha's Grace,
Ceasar_Naga aka Supa_Naga -
Ok. I didn't say that there is anything wrong. I certainly don't mean that the Scouts are inferior. Apologies if there was any misunderstanding.Originally posted by ceasar_naga:Hi sillyme,
Nothing wrong with Buddhist scouts. If X'tians can hv BB & GB, there's no reason why Buddhist Boy Scouts & Girl Guides cannot exist. It is not a monopoly of only X'tians can have uniform groups, other religions can have also.
As BB & GB are X'tian-based, that would really be an irony that Buddhists adopted them. Since Scouting comes as neutral & secular-based movement, it would be easier for non-X'tian religions to adopt it than having burdened by the dominant X'tian values of the BB movement.
You seem to mean that Scouts should subordinate BB since it starts from them as claimed by you. Even if they are from the same source, that should not be assumed that Scouts is junior to BB.
Yours in Lord Buddha's Grace,
Ceasar_Naga aka Supa_Naga
I am just stating how historically it was, and with a twist of fate, the situation has become as it is now.
No offense intended. -
Actually it isnt
While the idea is taken from Boy Brigade, it was never meant to be a religious youth group
its simply a boy youth group for outdoor adventures, pioneering and so on, and its just that
current international scout movement embraces boys from all religions, and it stated in the website too
and by the way, Scouting was never an extension or branch of Boys Brigade
all my years in Scouting, we never heard of such thing
right from the start, its an independent movement by itself -
Actually scout is really a breakaway from boys brigade... with less religious tone.Originally posted by laurence82:Actually it isnt
While the idea is taken from Boy Brigade, it was never meant to be a religious youth group
its simply a boy youth group for outdoor adventures, pioneering and so on, and its just that
current international scout movement embraces boys from all religions, and it stated in the website too
and by the way, Scouting was never an extension or branch of Boys Brigade
all my years in Scouting, we never heard of such thing
right from the start, its an independent movement by itself -
Again, nopeOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Actually scout is really a breakaway from boys brigade... with less religious tone.
It was started after Baden Powell published his first book on scouting, and the first camping for boys on Brownsea Island
While there could be some relationships, like help from one of the Boys Brigade member, there was nothing else
From the informal start, where they have patrols, right up to the formalisation of the organisation in Crystal Palace, there was basically nuthing to suggest its even a branch of BB
And there was never any element of any single religion in it -
Erm ya breakaway is not really the right word... it isn't exactly branched out in a sense but forming a new grp based on idea of BB. Unlike BB, scouts dont have religious element... except the part on the Scouts promise.Originally posted by laurence82:Again, nope
It was started after Baden Powell published his first book on scouting, and the first camping for boys on Brownsea Island
While there could be some relationships, like help from one of the Boys Brigade member, there was nothing else
From the informal start, where they have patrols, right up to the formalisation of the organisation in Crystal Palace, there was basically nuthing to suggest its even a branch of BB
And there was never any element of any single religion in it -
hahaOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Erm ya breakaway is not really the right word... it isn't exactly branched out in a sense but forming a new grp based on idea of BB. Unlike BB, scouts dont have religious element... except the part on the Scouts promise.
be mindful the word God in Scouts promise has the same connotation as the word God in the American pledge
having origins in a country with majority being Christian Anglican, people thought it has a singular meaning, ie, Christian God
but both Baden Powell or the American Founding Fathers never intended it that way
in US pledge, God represents morality or moral values
while breaking away from the English monarchy and the Anglican system, and using reason as the main principle in governing the newly independent country, the Founding Fathers never wanted the citizens to become a group of people weighing everything by pro and cons. there should be moral values to guide the heart of the people, hence the word God in the pledge
but of course, extreme political correctness takes place and people now debating it like no tomorrow
same goes for the word God in Scouts Promise
one of my Venture leaders explained it well, and he is a staunch Buddhist
he said the movement believes people should have a religion, whether its Islam, Christianity or Buddhism, because such religions are believed to be good and provide moral guidance to people
Buddhist countries such as Thailand, and Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia have very strong Scouts movements, like i said, Scouting movement is all embracing in this aspect
there are explainations of the term God on websites, whether on the American pledge or the Scouts Promise in Scouts websites
i have seen them in passing actually -
Then can we claim that Hitler Youth is a breakaway from the Scouts Movement?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Actually scout is really a breakaway from boys brigade... with less religious tone. -
I already said breakaway isnt the correct word.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Then can we claim that Hitler Youth is a breakaway from the Scouts Movement? -
God means morality or moral values? Doesn't quite make sense..Originally posted by laurence82:haha
be mindful the word God in Scouts promise has the same connotation as the word God in the American pledge
having origins in a country with majority being Christian Anglican, people thought it has a singular meaning, ie, Christian God
but both Baden Powell or the American Founding Fathers never intended it that way
in US pledge, God represents morality or moral values -
yeahOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:God means morality or moral values? Doesn't quite make sense..
just like the word religion, god has many meanings
an almighty supreme being, morals, conscience, self
depend on who you ask
btw, its god represent or is a symbol of morality, not god means morality or moral values -
Agree with you. Based on my research, scouting believes in the benefit of spirituality offered by mainstream religions. It offers a more wholesome and complete youth education. Hence my using of the term Buddhist Scout actually implies Buddhist in Scouting.Originally posted by laurence82:one of my Venture leaders explained it well, and he is a staunch Buddhist
he said the movement believes people should have a religion, whether its Islam, Christianity or Buddhism, because such religions are believed to be good and provide moral guidance to people
I believe Scout came first, followed by BB. And Baden Powell did help initially in the establishment of the BB. Regarding the state of scout vs. bb growth in singapore, BB has the advantage of church adoption and sponsorship.
Like to link up with you on possible coorperation opportunities. And I also have a venture leader on my side. Mind if u pm me? -
well i am not sure which came first, in the sense there is a possibility Baden Powell might help establish BBOriginally posted by earthling82:Agree with you. Based on my research, scouting believes in the benefit of spirituality offered by mainstream religions. It offers a more wholesome and complete youth education. Hence my using of the term Buddhist Scout actually implies Buddhist in Scouting.
I believe Scout came first, followed by BB. And Baden Powell did help initially in the establishment of the BB. Regarding the state of scout vs. bb growth in singapore, BB has the advantage of church adoption and sponsorship.
Like to link up with you on possible coorperation opportunities. And I also have a venture leader on my side. Mind if u pm me?
but the clear thing is that Scouting is developed for a different purpose, even BP himself coined the term 'Scouting' to describe the principles and various things we know Scouts today do and abide by
hehe, i long time no go back to my Scouts unit already, even less in touch with the Scouting world, besides, for now i will be quite busy, so hands tied for now -
I see..Originally posted by laurence82:yeah
just like the word religion, god has many meanings
an almighty supreme being, morals, conscience, self
depend on who you ask
btw, its god represent or is a symbol of morality, not god means morality or moral values