Advice of Guru Rinpoche
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Selected some useful quotes taken from "Advice of Guru Rinpoche":
To resolve the view, ask those who have realization.
To practice meditation, listen to those who have experience and understanding.
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Follow an eminent master who possesses the oral instructions.
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While lacking true confidence, do not exhibit the guise of a meditator.
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While ignorant, do not act with hypocrisy.
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When abiding in the equanimity of dharmata, do not succumb to the flaws of dullness and agitation.
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Business and meritorious activities are severe obstacles.
Take your mind as witness and avoid distractions.
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Originally posted by _wanderer_:
Yup, I find this quote especially useful... because when we are have yet to arise stable realizations through practice and meditation, it's good to turn the mind towards the Dharma and not be overly distracted by too many external and even so-called meritorious activities.
Selected some useful quotes taken from "Advice of Guru Rinpoche":
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[b]Business and meritorious activities are severe obstacles.
Take your mind as witness and avoid distractions.
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Because all too often, our goal is not truly Enlightenment, but really the
8 Worldly Dharmas:
Getting what you want, and avoiding getting what you do not want
Wanting (instant) happiness, and not wanting unhappiness
Wanting fame, and not wanting to be unknown
Wanting praise, and not wanting blame.
Good for reflection
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Great posts Thanks for sharing, wanderer.
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That is provided you have reach the Higher level of emptiness
Everyone is living in bad times .How much u have earn 3k ?4K or 5k ?
I think Guru Rinpooche is for those who have genuine wish to live the Holy Life
Guru Rinpoche provide other advise to the Businessman
Whatever merit that was stated ,we must understand this is the only way to overcome the difficult times in life
Well Lacking Compassion is the main obstacle in the Practise of Bodhicitta in many Buddhist nowadays
Losing Compassion is tantamount to losing your practice -
Originally posted by _wanderer_:
oh boy, sometime my mind wavers in between this 2.. and in end i am not happy.
Yup, I find this quote especially useful... because when we are have yet to arise stable realizations through practice and meditation, it's good to turn the mind towards the Dharma and not be overly distracted by too many external and even so-called meritorious activities.
Because all too often, our goal is not truly Enlightenment, but really the
[b]8 Worldly Dharmas:
Getting what you want, and avoiding getting what you do not want
Wanting (instant) happiness, and not wanting unhappiness
Wanting fame, and not wanting to be unknown
Wanting praise, and not wanting blame.
Good for reflection [/b]
ha ha how true : ) -
Sorry, I beg to differ. I think this is achievable by anyone of us, as long as we put in the effort. It's telling on how to do our practise, who to go to when we have obstacles, and most importantly, how to live our life. You don't have to earn $3K, $4K or $5K to live a happy life, let alone to practise Dharma Teachings.Originally posted by bohiruci:That is provided you have reach the Higher level of emptiness
Everyone is living in bad times .How much u have earn 3k ?4K or 5k ?
I think Guru Rinpooche is for those who have genuine wish to live the Holy Life
Guru Rinpoche provide other advise to the Businessman
Whatever merit that was stated ,we must understand this is the only way to overcome the difficult times in life
Well Lacking Compassion is the main obstacle in the Practise of Bodhicitta in many Buddhist nowadays
Losing Compassion is tantamount to losing your practice
Side track abit. Good times bad time is really up to personal perception. There are people who is surviving only $1-1.5K per household of 4, and yet they are saying it's always good time. It really depends on your wants and needs really. Need is really little, but wants can be never ending. -
hmm.... interesting viewOriginally posted by path_seeker:Sorry, I beg to differ. I think this is achievable by anyone of us, as long as we put in the effort. It's telling on how to do our practise, who to go to when we have obstacles, and most importantly, how to live our life. You don't have to earn $3K, $4K or $5K to live a happy life, let alone to practise Dharma Teachings.
Side track abit. Good times bad time is really up to personal perception. There are people who is surviving only $1-1.5K per household of 4, and yet they are saying it's always good time. It really depends on your wants and needs really. Need is really little, but wants can be never ending.
i think u are not an econs student
if u minus cpf contribution plus daily expenses , the 1-1.5k is barely enough for a month consumption
a normal household need 2.6k to survive in singapore
not withstanding and not including the education fees ,school textbook
and school shoes -
Yes, I'm not trained in Econs. But frankly, you don't need economics knowledge to make sense of what can be done and what not.Originally posted by bohiruci:hmm.... interesting view
i think u are not an econs student
if u minus cpf contribution plus daily expenses , the 1-1.5k is barely enough for a month consumption
a normal household need 2.6k to survive in singapore
not withstanding and not including the education fees ,school textbook
and school shoes
May I know what is your basis of deriving the $2.6K? What are the necessity items that you've taken into account to derive at this figure? What is the definition of "normal household"?
I do have alot of relatives whose household income is much lesser than 2.6K, with kids too. I have some neighbours who have similar profile too. They are all living, well and happy. If they can, all of us could too. -
hmm, u are using only a few successful example to determine the majorityOriginally posted by path_seeker:Yes, I'm not trained in Econs. But frankly, you don't need economics knowledge to make sense of what can be done and what not.
May I know what is your basis of deriving the $2.6K? What are the necessity items that you've taken into account to derive at this figure? What is the definition of "normal household"?
I do have alot of relatives whose household income is much lesser than 2.6K, with kids too. I have some neighbours who have similar profile too. They are all living, well and happy. If they can, all of us could too.
Have you does a proper consensus , is it really that possible ? how about when one of your family member is in hospitalisation ?what are the hospitalisation charges ?
your basis is based on the situation now the kids is young .How about when the kid is going university to study ?
have you calculated the total expenditure of University expenses
Seriously , as a Bodhisattva you should also understand Economics is the Study of Market forces .
Your job in any company is based on the Law of Demand and Supply ,whether u like it or not
This is like hoping for the least when drastic retrenchment and long-time unemployment takes place and you are not prepared for it
and the value of money is always undergoing inflation
with the introduction of 7 % GST and future it reaches 10 %
we going to have even harder times ahead
the only way is to earn sideline and a passive income -
Coming Year 2013 ,the CPF Minimum sum scheme states that one should have
a total of 213k in the one retirement account .Failing in which will result in reduced payout upon retirement
let calculate 1.4k cpf contribution by employee
22% - 20 -40 yrs old - therefore 1400 x 0.88% =1232
for 45 years till retirement ,therefore 45 yrs = $ 13 ,860
13,860 is clearly too low compared to 213,000
a primary school student 1 year school fees - 10.50 (per month ) +school textbook (110) + school shoes (15 each ) + uniform (30 )
= 170
meal allowance[ per children ] 5 buck /day * 5 days school week x 50 /yr
= 1250
with 1232 /mth and a total of 12 month .therefor can save up abt
14 ,784 /yr
Outside expense for family = 200 minimum
Mandai Zoo - 18 per adult -
Originally posted by _wanderer_:
I am not saying Guru verse is not good or what
Yup, I find this quote especially useful... because when we are have yet to arise stable realizations through practice and meditation, it's good to turn the mind towards the Dharma and not be overly distracted by too many external and even so-called meritorious activities.
Because all too often, our goal is not truly Enlightenment, but really the
[b]8 Worldly Dharmas:
Getting what you want, and avoiding getting what you do not want
Wanting (instant) happiness, and not wanting unhappiness
Wanting fame, and not wanting to be unknown
Wanting praise, and not wanting blame.
Good for reflection [/b]
yes we shouldnt be overly distracted by too many external and so-called meritorious activities .My chanting of Guru Rinpoche is given by a khenpo of nyimgma tradition as His name is powerful to repent the most heaviest karma
What I feeling is ,such strong term shouldnt be there for people who is having difficult times . You cant expect everyone to live in a total perfect situation like
Rinpoche rite ?
I still holds the view that Rao yi you qing is important .
You may be successful in accomplishing Dharma practice ,but not many is
Then you cannot forsake a sentient beings just becos you feel so-called meritorious activities is wrong
What about Lama Zopa Rinpoche when he praise the Arya Sanghata Sutra which upholding it is meritorious .
Clearly its important if you want to propagate the Buddhadharma , you must have skilled means -
I think you have misunderstood the quote.Originally posted by bohiruci:I am not saying Guru verse is not good or what
yes we shouldnt be overly distracted by too many external and so-called meritorious activities .My chanting of Guru Rinpoche is given by a khenpo of nyimgma tradition as His name is powerful to repent the most heaviest karma
What I feeling is ,such strong term shouldnt be there for people who is having difficult times . You cant expect everyone to live in a total perfect situation like
Rinpoche rite ?
I still holds the view that Rao yi you qing is important .
You may be successful in accomplishing Dharma practice ,but not many is
Then you cannot forsake a sentient beings just becos you feel so-called meritorious activities is wrong
What about Lama Zopa Rinpoche when he praise the Arya Sanghata Sutra which upholding it is meritorious .
Clearly its important if you want to propagate the Buddhadharma , you must have skilled means
Merits - there are relative and ultimate merits.
Our usual understanding of merits are the relative ones - the ones that plant positive seeds & conditions for us, yet at the same time they do not lead us towards liberation.
Relative merits are important.
But when grasped upon, they can become obstacles to the path.
When we look at Dharma practice, whether as a lay or monastic, our ultimate aim is to get rid of the ego. Anything that enhances our grasping to the ego - be it negative acts or even positive acts - yup, anything that enhances the ego is not wrong, it merely lengthens our stay in Samsara. That's all.
In fact, many teachers cautioned that it's easier to let go of negative actions than to let go of positive actions. They say that not to tell us to perform negative acts and give up positive acts. They say that to remind us that positive acts can also become an object that our ego holds very tightly to... and if we truly want liberation, then we have to prepare ourselves to let that go too.
I don't think one needs a high understanding of emptiness to do that. It is applicable. Because at this moment, we just need to halt for one second and reflect am I doing all these to strengthen my ego? Am I feeling happy to know that I'm doing something good? Will I feel upset if someone thinks I'm doing harm rather than good? And if... any of these answers "yes", it's normal. But it also raises a reminder to us that hey, maybe I need to just slow down a bit and reflect where I am really heading - towards Nirvana or Samsara.
Like what path_seeker or someone else mentioned, it is good reminder for us to reflect on our own motivations - are we seeking for a better next life, are we seeking for worldly benefits, or are we seeking for liberation/Enlightenment?
Well, again, it's not an issue of "right and wrong". It's an issue of what we ourselves truly want.
Compassionate acts are important in the practice of the Bodhisattva path. However, one can easily engage in outwardly-seemingly-compassionate acts, but actually engaging in them just to serve one's own ego. It is normal for us to slide into that, because that's our ego's habitual tendency.
Therefore, if one has the opportunity to hear the Dharma teaching that the true enemy is our "ego", then I think one should try to cherish the opportunity, and try as much as we can, to let go of that grasping.
True compassion is not contradictory to ultimate merits. There can only be true compassion when one lets go of one's self.
A person who devotes one minute of full attention to the Bodhicitta mind can benefit even more sentient beings than one who is doing one million projects but whose mind is ever distracted and full of self. The merits of the former are inconceivable.
I'm not writing this to discourage people from engaging in meritorious actions. I am merely sharing what I found as a very useful and important reminder that in whatever we do, try not to get overly distracted by too many things. But to remember and focus on the real goal - Enlightenment, so that we will truly be able to benefit sentient beings - and pull them away from the root of their suffering. -
Are you referring to the 8 worldly dharmas?Originally posted by Isis:oh boy, sometime my mind wavers in between this 2.. and in end i am not happy.
ha ha how true : )
Yeah.... whenever I remember the 8 worldly dharmas, I get shocked by how much I'm affected and swayed by them
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i feel that everyone has a unique point.
i wanted to say that no one is ultimately right or wrong.
even a thought of posting a reply is an ego trying to voice out. even if they were borrowed words. what is or who is truly right or wrong, can anyone really define?
yeah the 8 worldly dharmas are like wind blowing everywhere all the time, i do sometimes also get blown away in hurricanes.
it's always very easy to put into context but hard to do.
one moment of purity and the next moment in mud. overall, thanks, i appreciate TS and others for such efforts to type and share some great quotes and experiences.
another breeze to contemplate on.
ok seriousness aside, here's something silly i come up with a moment ago to soften up the atmosphere. i always liked poetry and so here's one to share. it doesn't matter if you don't understand it or find it silly. hehee...
Wind wind blow away, come another day.
It spoils my day when my neat hair runs hay.
With a balloon, I held the wind in captive.
Pop! I have destroyed it!
Now the wind is no more, where is the wind?
At that moment, the gentle breeze sweeps across my face and I danced merrily with the flowers. -
yea, i am refering to the 8 worldly dharmas. This is the first time, i had heard about this 8 worldly dharma in buddhism but prior before u mentioned it, i had already experience various suffering due to this.Originally posted by _wanderer_:Are you referring to the 8 worldly dharmas?
Yeah.... whenever I remember the 8 worldly dharmas, I get shocked by how much I'm affected and swayed by them hehe
Getting what you want and avoided getting what you do not want.
Wanting fame and not wanting to be unknown.
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All this lead to suffering as the mind is still self-grasping.
I think the Guru is talking about our buddha nature? -
i'm not sure if this is correct?
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhism/BuddhistDict/BDE.html
Eight Winds
1) praise/approval, 2) ridicule, 3) suffering, 4) happiness, 5) benefit, 6) destruction/devastation, 7) gain (OR acclaim), 8 ) loss (or bad repute).
Su Dung-pwo (1037-1101), a famous Chinese poet, wrote the following poem to describe a state he had experienced in meditation:
I bow to the god among gods;
His hair-light illuminates the world.
Unmoved when the Eight Winds blow,
Upright I sit in a purple-gold lotus.
"He sent the poem to the Great Master Fwo-yin (1011-1086), and the Master's reply was two words: 'Fart, fart.' As soon as Su Dung-pwo saw the Great Master Fwo-yin's criticism, he couldn't get it out of his mind, and he rushed across the Yangtze--he lived on the south side of the river and Great Master Fwo-yin lived on the north side--to find the Master and scold him. He wanted to tell the Master that he had written an enlightened poem, and so how could the Master possibly have replied, 'Fart, fart?'
"In fact, when Great Master Fwo-yin criticized him, not only did Su Dung-pwo fart, he blazed forth and wanted to scorch Fwo-yin to death. And so he rushed across the river and burst unannounced into the Master's quarters and shouted, 'How could you possibly scold someone and slander him that way by writing "fart, fart"?'
"Fo-yin replied, 'Who was I slandering? You said that you were unmoved by the Eight Winds, but just by letting two small farts I've blown you all the way across the Yangtze. And you still say that the Eight Winds don't move you? You don't have to talk about eight winds; just my two farts bounced you all the way up here.'
"Then Su Dung-pwo thought, 'That's right. I said that I'm unmoved by the Eight Winds, but two words have been enough to make me burn with anger.' Realizing that he still didn't have what it takes, he bowed to the Master and repented. . . .
"I. Praise. For example: 'Upasaka, you are really a good person; you really understand the Buddhadharma, and your wisdom really shines. Furthermore, your genius is unlimited and your eloquence is unobstructed.
II. Ridicule. For instance: 'It's the scientific age now, and you are studying Buddhism. Why do you study that old, superstitious rubbish?' Really ridiculous ridicule and yet you think, 'They're right. How can I study Buddhism now in the scientific age? Cause and effect, no me and no you--how can such metaphysical theories be worth anything in the age of science? I am I, and people are people.' You become confused and are moved by the blowing of the wind.
III. Suffering. The wind of suffering makes you suffer. To be unmoved while ceaselessly performing ascetic practices is an example of being unmoved by the wind of suffering.
IV. Happiness. To eat well, to wear good clothes, to have a good place to live, and to be especially happy all day long, thinking, 'This certainly is good,' is to be moved by this wind.
V. Benefit. You think, 'All I did is go to a lot of trouble cultivating. I don't even have any polluted thoughts. Consequently, people come to me and make an offering of a million dollars to build a temple.' And they are very, very happy. That is to be moved by the wind of benefit.
VI. Destruction. Perhaps the wind of benefit blew yesterday, but tomorrow people may come and ruin everything. They'll tell people, 'That monk is no good. Don't believe in him; he will do anything. Believe in me instead.'
VII. Gain.
VIII. Loss." (HS 18-20)
1) Ch. . 2) Skt. , 3) Pali , 4) Alternate Translation: prospersity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering, and pleasure.
BTTS References: HS 18-20; FAS Ch26 II 158.
maybe others or TS can share also. -
Guru is Guru RinpocheOriginally posted by Isis:yea, i am refering to the 8 worldly dharmas. This is the first time, i had heard about this 8 worldly dharma in buddhism but prior before u mentioned it, i had already experience various suffering due to this.
Getting what you want and avoided getting what you do not want.
Wanting fame and not wanting to be unknown.
..............
All this lead to suffering as the mind is still self-grasping.
I think the Guru is talking about our buddha nature?
Padmasambhava there
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Wow! Another 27 May 2007!!!!
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Yea.. Very special threadOriginally posted by DeadPoet:Wow! Another 27 May 2007!!!! 
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Cool.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yea.. Very special thread 
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That's why I said Guru Rinpoche's picture is v powerfulOriginally posted by DeadPoet:Cool. -
The powerful effect is gone!Originally posted by An Eternal Now:That's why I said Guru Rinpoche's picture is v powerful -
Now change back to normal liaoOriginally posted by coolbluewater:And new posting are adding before Bohiruci's Guru Rinpoche's picture posting. -
I like this image , the rainbow body of Guru , it just show our affinity with Him
and boost our morale in this decadent society
I believe Guru Rinpoche have the power to manifest in our Saha world
to test our spiritual practice and encourage us along
He havent forsake us when He is residing in the land of Orgyen Buddha land
He is still ever ready to dispatch vajra attendance to guide deviant of the path back to the bodhi path and destroy obstacles barring the sincere
Homage to Guru Padmasambhava
ps. actually i dunno that 24 may is Guru Padmasambhava day ,until i saw in E-sangha -
Yeah paperflower the story is correct. It is a very funny and interesting story, especially when it's being said in Chinese.
"ba1 feng1 chui1 bu4 dong4 (cannot be moved by 8 winds*)
yi1 pi4 da3 guo4 jiang1 (kena bounced across the river by 1 fart)"
*8 winds = 8 worldly dharmas.
I thought it was one fart, not two? hehe but doesn't matter I think. Thanks for posting!
Who is TS by the way?Originally posted by paperflower:i'm not sure if this is correct?
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhism/BuddhistDict/BDE.html
Eight Winds
1) praise/approval, 2) ridicule, 3) suffering, 4) happiness, 5) benefit, 6) destruction/devastation, 7) gain (OR acclaim), 8 ) loss (or bad repute).
Su Dung-pwo (1037-1101), a famous Chinese poet, wrote the following poem to describe a state he had experienced in meditation:
I bow to the god among gods;
His hair-light illuminates the world.
Unmoved when the Eight Winds blow,
Upright I sit in a purple-gold lotus.
"He sent the poem to the Great Master Fwo-yin (1011-1086), and the Master's reply was two words: 'Fart, fart.' As soon as Su Dung-pwo saw the Great Master Fwo-yin's criticism, he couldn't get it out of his mind, and he rushed across the Yangtze--he lived on the south side of the river and Great Master Fwo-yin lived on the north side--to find the Master and scold him. He wanted to tell the Master that he had written an enlightened poem, and so how could the Master possibly have replied, 'Fart, fart?'
"In fact, when Great Master Fwo-yin criticized him, not only did Su Dung-pwo fart, he blazed forth and wanted to scorch Fwo-yin to death. And so he rushed across the river and burst unannounced into the Master's quarters and shouted, 'How could you possibly scold someone and slander him that way by writing "fart, fart"?'
"Fo-yin replied, 'Who was I slandering? You said that you were unmoved by the Eight Winds, but just by letting two small farts I've blown you all the way across the Yangtze. And you still say that the Eight Winds don't move you? You don't have to talk about eight winds; just my two farts bounced you all the way up here.'
"Then Su Dung-pwo thought, 'That's right. I said that I'm unmoved by the Eight Winds, but two words have been enough to make me burn with anger.' Realizing that he still didn't have what it takes, he bowed to the Master and repented. . . .
"I. Praise. For example: 'Upasaka, you are really a good person; you really understand the Buddhadharma, and your wisdom really shines. Furthermore, your genius is unlimited and your eloquence is unobstructed.
II. Ridicule. For instance: 'It's the scientific age now, and you are studying Buddhism. Why do you study that old, superstitious rubbish?' Really ridiculous ridicule and yet you think, 'They're right. How can I study Buddhism now in the scientific age? Cause and effect, no me and no you--how can such metaphysical theories be worth anything in the age of science? I am I, and people are people.' You become confused and are moved by the blowing of the wind.
III. Suffering. The wind of suffering makes you suffer. To be unmoved while ceaselessly performing ascetic practices is an example of being unmoved by the wind of suffering.
IV. Happiness. To eat well, to wear good clothes, to have a good place to live, and to be especially happy all day long, thinking, 'This certainly is good,' is to be moved by this wind.
V. Benefit. You think, 'All I did is go to a lot of trouble cultivating. I don't even have any polluted thoughts. Consequently, people come to me and make an offering of a million dollars to build a temple.' And they are very, very happy. That is to be moved by the wind of benefit.
VI. Destruction. Perhaps the wind of benefit blew yesterday, but tomorrow people may come and ruin everything. They'll tell people, 'That monk is no good. Don't believe in him; he will do anything. Believe in me instead.'
VII. Gain.
VIII. Loss." (HS 18-20)
1) Ch. . 2) Skt. , 3) Pali , 4) Alternate Translation: prospersity, decline, disgrace, honor, praise, censure, suffering, and pleasure.
BTTS References: HS 18-20; FAS Ch26 II 158.
maybe others or TS can share also.