How did the Buddha define 'Sexual Misconduct'?
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I think the other four of the Five Precept are relatively straight-forward.
But how did the Buddha (not you) define 'sexual misconduct' exactly? And did his defination, which may have been applicable for the situation/society of that time (i.e. more conservative, different sets of socially accepted morals, etc), applicable in modern society? -
adultery
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Originally posted by mahawarrior:
Hi, generally, any form of sexual activities outside your faithful partner is sexual misconduct. This includes casual sex, prositution, adultery, extra marital affairs and things like that. And yes of course that applies in modern society.
I think the other four of the Five Precept are relatively straight-forward.
But how did the [b]Buddha (not you) define 'sexual misconduct' exactly? And did his defination, which may have been applicable for the situation/society of that time (i.e. more conservative, different sets of socially accepted morals, etc), applicable in modern society?[/b] -
pardon me but i guess... he wans to knw abt pre-marital...?
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dun tink so HK
i tink he's referring to all kinds -
Marriage is a social thing. Strictly speaking its not related to Buddhism. If you and her is faithful partner then its ok, as there are some people who decided to stay as faithful partners and did not get married.Originally posted by Hello Kitty:pardon me but i guess... he wans to knw abt pre-marital...?
But of course it is completely unwise to engage in sex before marriage especially if you all are young. Then it can lead to problems like having to abort babies, which will create very very negative karma if you chose to do so. -
my natural instinct pretty accurate de. either dat or one other ting. u ask him in priv loh.Originally posted by gigabyte14:dun tink so HK
i tink he's referring to all kinds -
What about viewing pornography while in an exclusive relationship?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Hi, generally, any form of sexual activities outside your faithful partner is sexual misconduct. This includes casual sex, prositution, adultery, extra marital affairs and things like that. And yes of course that applies in modern society.
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As I don't have much knowledge, I'm not sure if the Buddha mentioned pornography.Originally posted by choco B:What about viewing pornography while in an exclusive relationship?
However, I would say that pornography is part of it.
Karma has three kinds.. mind karma, speech karma, and action karma. If you fantasize sexual misconduct, isn't that creating unwholesome mind karma?
And I just mentioned quite a lot about these karmic imprints in my newer threads these few days... how subtle it can be.
By viewing pornography you are planting seeds deep into your 8th consciousness. These seeds will stay, they will surface again and again, and even be brought forward to your next life. Then it may serve as a real cause for sexual misconduct in future, or future lifetimes.
Buddhism stress a lot on purification of the mind and liberation. If you want liberation, you should abstain from these things. -
Yes, this is sexual misconduct; regardless one is in an exclusive relationship or not. Strictly speaking, I remember reading Master Chi Zhou's ( forgot where's that book, will check it out) article that any craving for sexual gratifications is sexual misconduct. Even for married couples, if they make love in inappropriate places eg. kitchen, living room,garden, bathroom etc. instead of in the privacy of their bedroom, it is also sexual misconduct ( becos they are craving sexual excitment or gratifications).Originally posted by choco B:What about viewing pornography while in an exclusive relationship?
I think many ppl in this new era would choose to dissagree with Master Chi Zhou in this, but think of what AEN mentioned above, such actions and behaviour will be planted in our 8th Consciousness. So, up to u.
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believe it or not, i once practise in temple at KL, i read this book, it stated dat,
having sex during thunder storm is consider as sexual misconduct too.
others including:
Fei Nan Fei Nu (having sex wif wrong person, meaning gay/lesbian sexual act, animal);
watching porn while having sex;
premartial sex;
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Thunder storm?? Got such thing meh? What is the name of the book and what temple you visited?Originally posted by 798:believe it or not, i once practise in temple at KL, i read this book, it stated dat,
having sex during thunder storm is consider as sexual misconduct too.
others including: -
ya, i got hear before. if i dun remember wrongly it's because one may attract unwanted beings, or something like that.
also cannot have sex in certain places, such as temples of course. but kitchens and bathrooms (doing it beside the toilet bowl?) seem a bit far-fetched (for defining sexual misconduct) to me... -
yeah. it listed 10 things which defined sexual misconduct. it also listed what is the correct ways to conduct sex.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Thunder storm?? Got such thing meh? What is the name of the book and what temple you visited?
think the book is 'Refrain from Sexual Misconduct'. i'm not sure wat is the temple name since i went there in 1992. -
Strange.. never heard that.Originally posted by 798:yeah. it listed 10 things which defined sexual misconduct. it also listed what is the correct ways to conduct sex.
think the book is 'Refrain from Sexual Misconduct'. i'm not sure wat is the temple name since i went there in 1992.
Perhaps if someone know more about the reason why 'thunder storm' is included, please explain to us... I would very much like to know... or any sutras which the Buddha spoke about it.. -
Hi all ,sexual misconduct precept is the Buddha wish for his followers to be faithful to their partner .
Sexual misconduct causes tension in the family and quarrels often
one who engage in sexual misconduct not only include pre-marital , with same sexes , with minor ,near holy places and even with the hands or thigh tightly closed
all this are summarise from Lama Je Tsongkhapa Great treatise on the stages of the path to enlightenment ,Lam Rim Chen Mo
from the Lamrim Chenmo Translation committee
Watching pornography is seeding sexual misconduct seeds which will cause one to degrade further in the cycles of samsara .take heed
from a chinese "no to sexual misconduct" several reports in Qing dynasty ,young ppl die even as young as 30 on the bed ,due to heart seizue ,a result of unable to control carnal desire outage
As stated in the Shurangama sutra ,
sexual activity is the cause of our many rebirth in the human and animal realms
We should respect people right to keep pure and do not create such unwholesome karma for resulting in future karmic "debts "
with sincerity
bohiruci -
the pandora's box has been opened...
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but it can be closed ...Originally posted by Hello Kitty:the pandora's box has been opened...
by purifications -
wah, 1st time i c u so cheeky.
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Erm ... Is masturbation a sin ?
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Masturbation itself does not constitute a sexual misconduct for a lay person, though masturbation in the monastic order is not allowed and constitutes and offense which requires the monk to confess to the sangha (monastic community). But anyway the difference is because monks are supposed to uphold celibacy -- that means avoiding ALL sexual activities. For lay persons we do not need to uphold celibacy, but we have to follow the third precept of 'no sexual misconduct'.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Erm ... Is masturbation a sin ?
Which are,
Wrong partner-- a married person, a minor, someone in a relationship, an incompetent.
Wrong time -- day time
Wrong place -- in public, in shrine, etc.
Wrong orifice -- oral, anal.
Gender is not specified. These above can be found in the Abhidharmakosha. I do not think masturbation is mentioned.
But we must take note that it depends on your mind state. Masturbation is not only a physical act, it depends on your mental state as well, as it usually involves strong craving and sometimes lustful thoughts of sexual misconduct. This is creating a form of mental karma. Do know that karma has three forms: Mind karma, Speech karma, and Action karma. All these are volitional action (karma) and will have its karmic consequences in the future.
Negative unwholesome seeds and habit energy are planted into our 8th consciousness and may become a habit and might eventually become a monster in future or even future lifetimes as well. -
Originally posted by mahawarrior:
So anyway, I just answered your question more detailed-ly in the post just above this.
I think the other four of the Five Precept are relatively straight-forward.
But how did the [b]Buddha (not you) define 'sexual misconduct' exactly? And did his defination, which may have been applicable for the situation/society of that time (i.e. more conservative, different sets of socially accepted morals, etc), applicable in modern society?[/b] -
hey scania ,masturbation isnt a healthy stuffOriginally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Erm ... Is masturbation a sin ?
so the best is to follow many patriach advice to see the uselessness of such desire , which u will enjoy the happiness and later suffer
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Wrong partner -- I can understandOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Masturbation itself does not constitute a sexual misconduct for a lay person, though masturbation in the monastic order is not allowed and constitutes and offense which requires the monk to confess to the sangha (monastic community). But anyway the difference is because monks are supposed to uphold celibacy -- that means avoiding ALL sexual activities. For lay persons we do not need to uphold celibacy, but we have to follow the third precept of 'no sexual misconduct'.
Which are,
Wrong partner-- a married person, a minor, someone in a relationship, an incompetent.
Wrong time -- day time
Wrong place -- in public, in shrine, etc.
Wrong orifice -- oral, anal.
Gender is not specified. These above can be found in the Abhidharmakosha. I do not think masturbation is mentioned.
But we must take note that it depends on your mind state. Masturbation is not only a physical act, it depends on your mental state as well, as it usually involves strong craving and sometimes lustful thoughts of sexual misconduct. This is creating a form of mental karma. Do know that karma has three forms: Mind karma, Speech karma, and Action karma. All these are volitional action (karma) and will have its karmic consequences in the future.
Negative unwholesome seeds and habit energy are planted into our 8th consciousness and may become a habit and might eventually become a monster in future or even future lifetimes as well.
Wrong time -- Why? What's wrong with having sex in day time as long as it's done in private and between consenting adults (the usual) ?
Wrong place -- I think I can understand.
Wrong orifice -- Same thing...why is this wrong? It doesn't seem to hurt anyone/anything to me. -
An explanation of Loppon Namdrol in E-Sangha (http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=5439&hl=) states:Originally posted by mahawarrior:Wrong partner -- I can understand
Wrong time -- Why? What's wrong with having sex in day time as long as it's done in private and between consenting adults (the usual) ?
Wrong place -- I think I can understand.
Wrong orifice -- Same thing...why is this wrong? It doesn't seem to hurt anyone/anything to me.
It has to do with the fact that the anus and penis/vagina/urethra serve as organs of elimination; while the mouth is an organ of consuming.
Therefore, it is considered inappropriate for the mouth to touch the penis or vagina.
The anus is considered very unclean in general, and so it is considered to be an inappropriate orifice for sexual conduct.
I feel however the main intent behind the prohibition of sexual misconduct is non-harming.
Incidentally, according to Vasubandhu, if one does not observe the vow against intoxicating drinks, one also does not observe the vow against sexual misconduct, the latter being dependent on the former.
He also elaborated elsewhere: "The orifice thing has very much to do with notions of clean and unclean, and in a society where cholera and other fecally transmitted diseases were common, such prohibitions about mouth/genital sexual stimulation, and so on, make hygenic sense."
I'm not exactly sure of the reason for 'no daytime'.