Monks are useless people
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Monks are useless people.
Imagine one day 70% of the guys in this world become monks.
Then who going to re produce? The other 30% surly not enuff.
So what will monks do? Stay firm on their "ethics"
Or break the rule?
PS: Those hardcore monks that totally devoid of any sexual activities one. -
Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:Monks are useless people.
Imagine one day 70% of the guys in this world become monks.
Then who going to re produce? The other 30% surly not enuff.
So what will monks do? Stay firm on their "ethics"
Or break the rule?
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to each his own.
dont tarnish monk reputation lah, not many want to be monk oso.
because of sexual desire ? -
very little people want to be monks, FYI.
most want to have a little of an experience only -
when everybody becomes monk, there will be no reproduction, then there will be no suffering ...cos when everybody else die off ... there will be no one on earth to suffer ..
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u r asking a stupid question.
it is as if asking wat happen if everyone are to become taxi drivers one day? who will be the passagers? -
Originally posted by 798:u r asking a stupid question.
it is as if asking wat happen if everyone are to become taxi drivers one day? who will be the passagers?
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I have concluded from your posts that you are a complete dickhead. First it was your comments about me and now this. Why do you have to say shit like monks are useless in the buddhism forum just to incite anger? Well you obviously have such a sad life that you can't find anything better to do so I guess I should pity you. Should but I don't.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:Monks are useless people.
Imagine one day 70% of the guys in this world become monks.
Then who going to re produce? The other 30% surly not enuff.
So what will monks do? Stay firm on their "ethics"
Or break the rule?
PS: Those hardcore monks that totally devoid of any sexual activities one. -
i read your post with much amusements. your case is a typical of someone with low-esteem. come on, you're trying to seek attention. posting some irresponsible remarks on hopes of trying to generate attention is pathetic.
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anyway, i think monks n bichuni r noble persons. they rather give up their status and desire to the sake of buddhism.
alot of ignorance pple think pple who enter monkhood are heartless. but this is not true, cos the love is now on sacrifice oneself to spread universal love to all sentient beings. -
http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol4no2d.htm
8. If the majority of the society renounce to be Buddhist monks or nuns, wouldn't this affect the material development and progress of the society?
The reality is that there are very few monks or nuns in this world.
THAT SHOULD not be the case. The people of the Western Pure-land are all monks or nuns. Think about it - the kind of happiness and the scientific and technological development, they are many times more advanced than our *Saha World. The Western Pure-land is filled with extreme happiness. Suffering exists in our world because of male and female forms. There is no gender amongst the Bodhisattvas of the Western Pure-land, and therefore they are all very happy. Since male and female forms do not exist therefore marriage also does not exist! There is also no such thing as renunciation to be monks or nuns! Emotions, love and desire arise amongst human beings due to the male and female forms; because of these forms, the world is a boundless sea of suffering. It is not easy to find even a few monks or nuns in this world. Let us not question if it is possible for all people to renounce and become monks or nuns. It is not meaningful to discuss such a question. As long as our mind is pure, that should be good enough. -
Mind your words.
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http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn07/sn07.011.than.html
Kasi Bharadvaja Sutta
To the Plowing Bharadvaja
I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was living among the Magadhans at Dakkhinagiri in the brahman village of Ekanala. Now at that time approximately 500 of the brahman Kasi Bharadvaja's plows were yoked at the sowing time. Then, in the early morning, putting on his lower robe and taking his bowl & robes, the Blessed One went to where Kasi Bharadvaja was working. Now at that time Kasi Bharadvaja's food-distribution was underway. so the Blessed One went to Kasi Bharadvaja's food-distribution and, on arrival, stood to one side. Kasi Bharadvaja saw the Blessed One standing for alms, and on seeing him, said to him, "I, contemplative, plow & sow. Having plowed & sown, I eat. You, too, contemplative, should plow & sow. Having plowed & sown, you (will) eat."
"I, too, brahman, plow & sow. Having plowed & sown, I eat."
"But, contemplative, I don't see the Master Gotama's yoke or plow, plowshare, goad, or oxen, and yet the Master Gotama says this: 'I, too, brahman, plow & sow. Having plowed & sown, I eat.'"
Then the Kasi Bharadvaja addressed the Blessed One with a verse:
You claim to be a plowman,
but I don't see your plowing.
Being asked, tell us about your plowing
so that we may know your plowing.
[The Buddha:]
Conviction is my seed,
austerity my rain,
discernment my yoke & plow,
conscience my pole,
mind my yoke-tie,
mindfulness my plowshare & goad.
Guarded in body,
guarded in speech,
restrained in terms of belly & food,
I make truth a weeding-hook,
and composure my unyoking.
Persistence, my beast of burden,
bearing me toward rest from the yoke,
takes me, without turning back,
to where, having gone,
one doesn't grieve.
That's how my plowing is plowed.
It has
as its fruit
the deathless.
Having plowed this plowing
one is unyoked
from all suffering
& stress.
Then Kasi Bharadvaja, having heaped up milk-rice in a large bronze serving bowl, offered it to the Blessed One, [saying,] "May Master Gotama eat [this] milk-rice. The master is a plowman, for the Master Gotama plows the plowing that has as its fruit the deathless."
What's been chanted over with verses
shouldn't be eaten by me.
That's not the nature, brahman,
of one who's seen rightly.
What's been chanted over with verses
Awakened Ones reject.
That being their nature, brahman,
this is their way of life.
Serve with other food & drink
a fully-perfected great seer,
his fermentations ended,
his anxiety stilled,
for that is the field
for one looking for merit.
"Then to whom, Master Gotama, should I give this milk-rice?"
"Brahman, I don't see that person in this world — with its devas, Maras, & Brahmas, in this generation with its royalty & common people — by whom this milk-rice, having been eaten, would be rightly digested, aside from a Tathagata or a Tathagata's disciple. In that case, brahman, throw the milk-rice away in a place without vegetation, or dump it in water with no living beings."
So Kasi Bharadvaja dumped the milk-rice in water with no living beings. And the milk-rice, when dropped in the water, hissed & sizzled, seethed & steamed. Just as an iron ball heated all day, when tossed in the water, hisses & sizzles, seethes & steams, in the same way the milk-rice, when dropped in the water, hissed & sizzled, seethed & steamed.
Then Kasi Bharadvaja — in awe, his hair standing on end — went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, throwing himself down with his head at the Blessed One's feet, said to him, "Magnificent, Master Gotama! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to show the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has Master Gotama — through many lines of reasoning — made the Dhamma clear. I go to Master Gotama for refuge, to the Dhamma, and to the Community of monks. May Master Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone to him for refuge, from this day forward, for life. Let me obtain the going forth in Master Gotama's presence, let me obtain admission."
Then the brahman Kasi Bharadvaja obtained the going forth in the Blessed One's presence, he obtained admission. And not long after his admission — dwelling alone, secluded, heedful, ardent, & resolute — he in no long time reached & remained in the supreme goal of the celibate life, for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself in the here & now. He knew: "Birth is ended, the celibate life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for the sake of this world." And so Ven. Bharadvaja became another one of the arahants. -
They teach dharma of the deathless, practise the dharma of the deathless and help all the lays.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:Monks are useless people.
Anyone who says the statement 'monks are useless people' obviously does not know what Buddhism is about. So, I suggest you do some reading up on Buddhism. -
a) Monks are noble people. Enuff said
b) Our sole purpose in life is to reproduce? I find it sad, and respect people who break out of the cycle of that everyone else go through, as in, is life only study, find job, marry, give birth, get old and sick, die?
Thats what Buddhism is about, break out of the cycle of endless suffering
c) A bit biased leh...there are significant numbers of bachelors, spinsters, divorcee and whatnot...are monks pointed out simply because they are Buddhists? -
Originally posted by 798:u r asking a stupid question.
it is as if asking wat happen if everyone are to become taxi drivers one day? who will be the passagers? -
You have nothing better to do than to insult and attack ppl on the forum ?Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:Monks are useless people.
Imagine one day 70% of the guys in this world become monks.
Then who going to re produce? The other 30% surly not enuff.
So what will monks do? Stay firm on their "ethics"
Or break the rule?
PS: Those hardcore monks that totally devoid of any sexual activities one.
Monks and Nun are people who passed down the noble teachings , with pastor who choose to remain single or Bishop, Catholic nun
They are people who carry on the Teachings of the Good and ensure no infallibility of human in modern times
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Hello friends,
interesting i must say how Xephone thinks..
i'm do not know your intention for starting this thread, so i shall not speculate on it.
i wonder if you are into the idea that sexual reproduction is an important goal for humankind to to keep us from going extinct. That it would be the responsible thing for every human to try to have kids?
In human society today having kids will be expected of couples by their parents especially and other relatives and this is the norm. There are a variety of reasons for this, mostly it is a traditional norm. But the core reasons why it is still popular would i think are because bringing up children helps parents to develop good human qualities and that is valued in many levels of society.
Couples themselves would want kids for a variety of reasons, some considered less sound like too much pressure from families and people in their lives. Since such decisions are made under stress so it is a negative way to have children.
Considered more sound would be the couple want a child/children of their own, the joy that a child could bring into their lives, which they might feel incomplete without it. This one would be a much more positive way to consider childbearing and most couples i imagine would want it to be this way.
However both starts cannot guarantee a good child-rearing experience and even harder to say if the child will turn out as a good or bad person in society.
Looking at the idea that one would be responsible only if to have children for the perpetuation or even the good of of humankind, how is it different from the stress one gets from the first example? Not much i reckon.
Even if say one were to believe in such a responsibility, and enjoy fulfilling it, although it may agree with a national policy encouraging one to have more children to prevent an ever-growing graying population, does it seem morally right to you? Bringing a human life into the world is a decision you make for that life. The value should be worth more than just using that innocent life to make a country more populous or youthful for the sake of material prosperity. That goes the same for the idea to perpetuate the existence of the human species.
A responsible being, i would imagine, considers many factors before deciding whether to have offspring. Factors pertaining to whether it is even good or safe for the child to be born at that time or place. Taking into consideration the wellbeing of this life that you can bring into this world should take precedence over even the biological desire of all beings to have offspring even if that desire gives very "good vibes". Humans are capable of such thought which allows for compassion and altrusim usually attributed to higher beings and holy saints.
We have the brain power and thinking capabilities to break old habits and develop ones that make life more worthwhile, meaningful. We can literally, think our way out of problems. As some would agree as it was through thinking in particular ways that problems seem to exist in the first place. It is easy to follow a popular idea/belief and many examples exist in traditions, cultures around the world. Not many seem to take the time to piece the jigsaw in life on their own, checking if each piece fits with another.
It is good to think but more important to look. For what good is thinking when it is about things we did not look clearly at? We might just end up with a complete but mis-solved puzzle. -
a) I beg to differ, some people become monks/nuns as they cannot accept the cruelty of reality. Can we say that they are cowards? To each their own.Originally posted by laurence82:a) Monks are noble people. Enuff said
b) Our sole purpose in life is to reproduce? I find it sad, and respect people who break out of the cycle of that everyone else go through, as in, is life only study, find job, marry, give birth, get old and sick, die?
Thats what Buddhism is about, break out of the cycle of endless suffering
c) A bit biased leh...there are significant numbers of bachelors, spinsters, divorcee and whatnot...are monks pointed out simply because they are Buddhists?
b) And can you tell me the real meaning of life? But biologically, reproduction seems to be part and parcel of life in nature. And that is the grand or boring cycle of life according to personal preference.
c) Personal preference lah.... What can we say to a single banana?
Buddhism is about trying to hoodwink oneself that one is not suffering. -
OK.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:I have concluded from your posts that you are a complete dickhead. First it was your comments about me and now this. Why do you have to say shit like monks are useless in the buddhism forum just to incite anger? Well you obviously have such a sad life that you can't find anything better to do so I guess I should pity you. Should but I don't. -
OK.Originally posted by bohiruci:You have nothing better to do than to insult and attack ppl on the forum ?
Monks and Nun are people who passed down the noble teachings , with pastor who choose to remain single or Bishop, Catholic nun
They are people who carry on the Teachings of the Good and ensure no infallibility of human in modern times -
OK.Originally posted by theta:i read your post with much amusements. your case is a typical of someone with low-esteem. come on, you're trying to seek attention. posting some irresponsible remarks on hopes of trying to generate attention is pathetic. -
OK.Originally posted by bohiruci:You have nothing better to do than to insult and attack ppl on the forum ?
Monks and Nun are people who passed down the noble teachings , with pastor who choose to remain single or Bishop, Catholic nun
They are people who carry on the Teachings of the Good and ensure no infallibility of human in modern times
Define NOBLE.
Define GOOD.
And no infallibility. You seriously believe this bullcrap? -
Got to go school. Read when i come back.Originally posted by soemt:Hello friends,
interesting i must say how Xephone thinks..
i'm do not know your intention for starting this thread, so i shall not speculate on it.
i wonder if you are into the idea that sexual reproduction is an important goal for humankind to to keep us from going extinct. That it would be the responsible thing for every human to try to have kids?
In human society today having kids will be expected of couples by their parents especially and other relatives and this is the norm. There are a variety of reasons for this, mostly it is a traditional norm. But the core reasons why it is still popular would i think are because bringing up children helps parents to develop good human qualities and that is valued in many levels of society.
Couples themselves would want kids for a variety of reasons, some considered less sound like too much pressure from families and people in their lives. Since such decisions are made under stress so it is a negative way to have children.
Considered more sound would be the couple want a child/children of their own, the joy that a child could bring into their lives, which they might feel incomplete without it. This one would be a much more positive way to consider childbearing and most couples i imagine would want it to be this way.
However both starts cannot guarantee a good child-rearing experience and even harder to say if the child will turn out as a good or bad person in society.
Looking at the idea that one would be responsible only if to have children for the perpetuation or even the good of of humankind, how is it different from the stress one gets from the first example? Not much i reckon.
Even if say one were to believe in such a responsibility, and enjoy fulfilling it, although it may agree with a national policy encouraging one to have more children to prevent an ever-growing graying population, does it seem morally right to you? Bringing a human life into the world is a decision you make for that life. The value should be worth more than just using that innocent life to make a country more populous or youthful for the sake of material prosperity. That goes the same for the idea to perpetuate the existence of the human species.
A responsible being, i would imagine, considers many factors before deciding whether to have offspring. Factors pertaining to whether it is even good or safe for the child to be born at that time or place. Taking into consideration the wellbeing of this life that you can bring into this world should take precedence over even the biological desire of all beings to have offspring even if that desire gives very "good vibes". Humans are capable of such thought which allows for compassion and altrusim usually attributed to higher beings and holy saints.
We have the brain power and thinking capabilities to break old habits and develop ones that make life more worthwhile, meaningful. We can literally, think our way out of problems. As some would agree as it was through thinking in particular ways that problems seem to exist in the first place. It is easy to follow a popular idea/belief and many examples exist in traditions, cultures around the world. Not many seem to take the time to piece the jigsaw in life on their own, checking if each piece fits with another.
It is good to think but more important to look. For what good is thinking when it is about things we did not look clearly at? We might just end up with a complete but mis-solved puzzle.
The only intelligent post in this whole batch of reply. -
As it is, the world does not need more people.