Words of Blessing for South Koreans Christians held hostage
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It is so hard to pray for people like that isn't it? The human instinct if to wish them a slow tortured death... but still..... *sigh*Originally posted by LazerLordz:The militia won't have a united voice because they are just dogs running around a campfire. -
It's never easy..Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:It is so hard to pray for people like that isn't it? The human instinct if to wish them a slow tortured death... but still..... *sigh* -
Taliban Threatens to Start Killing 'A Few' Korean Christian Captives
By
Michelle Vu
Christian Post Reporter
Wed, Jul. 25 2007 08:02 AM ET
A purported Taliban spokesman said Wednesday that talks over the fate of the 23 South Korean Christian hostages have stalled and that the militants plan to kill “a few” of the captives.
Breaking News
According to Reuters, the Taliban has killed one of the 23 South Korean hostages. Confirmation pending.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070725/28599_Taliban_Threatens_to_Start_Killing_'A_Few'_Korean_Christian_Captives.htm -
NHK (Nippon Hoso Kyokai), 21:58
8 hostages have been confirmed released by a Taliban spokesman, however, the identities of those released have not been confirmed. -
yep. very sureOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Are you sure? -
Not in Google news leh....Originally posted by dumbdumb!:yep. very sure -
ok, this is gonna sound really stupid. But why can't USA send their "John McClaine" or UK send their "James Bond" characters to help?
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Because it is unrealistic to think that some super hero figure can storm in and save the people without killing lots of innocents.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:ok, this is gonna sound really stupid. But why can't USA send their "John McClaine" or UK send their "James Bond" characters to help? -
but if the hostages were their own people, i'm sure they would hv sent in their secret service to take them out.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Because it is unrealistic to think that some super hero figure can storm in and save the people without killing lots of innocents. -
Taliban kill one Korean hostage: Taliban spokesman
Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:28AM EDT
Afghan Taliban set new deadline for Korean hostages
KABUL (Reuters) - Afghanistan's Taliban killed one of the 23 Korean hostages on Wednesday after Kabul failed to free Taliban prisoners, a spokesman for the group said, adding insurgents would kill more if their demands were not met.Afghan Taliban say patience running out on Koreans
Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:09AM EDT
KABUL (Reuters) - Taliban spokesman Qari Mohammad Yousuf said patience was running out in talks over 23 South Korean hostages kidnapped by insurgents in Afghanistan and said rebel prisoners must be freed by 0930 GMT on Wednesday.
"We had assurance from the Koreans that Kabul will release Taliban prisoners in batches and we will reciprocate," Yousuf told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location.
"We gave them eight Taliban names and they should have been freed by 7 pm (1430 GMT) yesterday, but nothing happened ...
"The Koreans should put pressure on Kabul on this for there is the risk that at any moment, any time something can happen to the hostages. If by two o'clock today (5:30 a.m. EDT), the Taliban are not freed, then some of them will probably be killed. Our patience is running out." -
If I were President Roh, I'd have slipped a few ROK Special Forces in for Plan B ..Originally posted by dumbdumb!:but if the hostages were their own people, i'm sure they would hv sent in their secret service to take them out. -
If they really killed one, then the special forces would have moved in... and they did not throw out the body of the Korean allegedly killed... hope... hope... hope...
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Taliban Claim to Kill 1 Korean, Free 1
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 25, 2007
Filed at 8:57 a.m. ET
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AP) -- Taliban militants claimed they shot and killed one South Korean hostage on Wednesday while a group of abductees was freed and taken to a U.S. military base, officials said.
Purported Taliban spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi claimed that one of the hostages had been shot and killed around 4 p.m., and a police official who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the situation said militants told him the hostage was sick and couldn't walk and was therefore shot.
Some of the 23 Korean hostages, meanwhile, had been freed and were taken to a U.S. base in Ghazni, two Western officials said who asked not to be identified. The officials did not know how many had been freed. The South Korean news agency Yonhap said eight Koreans had been freed.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Afghan-Kidnappings.html?ex=1342756800&en=04c49ecc5ea86035&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss -
Hmmm....u come Buddhism forum to gain sympathy?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:If the Koreans that sacrificed themselves and put themselves in danger to become medical aid volunteers and if people like that, are stupid, then people that sacrificed themselves like Mother Theresa must also also be stupid to you.
Some people from ~EH~ are so illogical, irrational and unable to comprehend simple things, I am so glad this thread is in the Buddhist forum and not ~EH~.
As usual, Mr. Casino, what u talk dun make any connection.........mother teresa....and afganistan? -
Afghanistan is the only dangerous place in the world? Mother Theresa was serving in New Zealand and had body guards following her everywhere?Originally posted by laoda99:Hmmm....u come Buddhism forum to gain sympathy?
As usual, Mr. Casino, what u talk dun make any connection.........mother teresa....and afganistan?
Are you too juvenile to see the common denominator between MT and the Koreans, people sacrificing of themselves to serve in dangerous places?
To you, if Mother Theresa was raped and murdered in the streets of Calcutta, then she was similarly "stupid" like the Koreans for trying to make a difference for good in this world?
Sure, I came to the Buddhism to gain sympathy for the Koreans so that people can offer some blessings and prayers for the Koreans because I see in ~EH~ many Christians like you cursing them for being "stupid" for volunteering themselves as medical aid workers and sacrificing themselves. -
Just to add... and your Mr Casino snide remark was made because you think that I too am stupid for trying to prevent people from gambling at the casino (going against the wishes of this gahmen well know for their treacherous acts against people opposing them)?
I would think that it is better to lose everything and do something you believe in then to be a coward and call people sacrificing their lives as volunteer aid workers in places like Afghanistan "stupid" and "brainless". -
South Korean hostage found dead; others freed
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/25/asia/afghan.4-102785.php
The Associated Press
Published: July 25, 2007
KABUL: The body of a South Korean hostage shot 10 times was discovered Wednesday by Afghan police officers, and the Kabul police said that because of the danger from insurgents, foreigners would no longer be allowed to leave the Afghan capital without police permission.
The male South Korean victim was found with 10 bullet holes in his head, chest and stomach in the Mushaki area of Qarabagh district in Ghazni Province, the region where 23 South Koreans were kidnapped last week, said Abdul Rahman, a police officer.
A police official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation said militants told him the hostage was sick and could not walk, and was therefore shot.
Two Western officials said some of the 23 hostages had been released. One of the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to share the information, said six women and two men had been taken to the main U.S. base in Ghazni.
The South Korean church that the victims attend has said it will suspend at least some of its volunteer work in Afghanistan. It also stressed that the Koreans abducted were not involved in any Christian missionary work, saying they only provided medical and other volunteer aid to distressed people in the war-ravaged country.Korean Pastor Killed by Taliban
http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=596&Itemid=31
Our Correspondent
26 July 2007
The minister who led a group of South Korean church volunteers on a summer mission trip to Afghanistan has been killed by the Taliban militants who kidnapped the group last week, according to Korean media reports.
Pastor Bae Hyeong-gyu, 42, was killed Wednesday, according to the JoongAng Daily and KBS, a South Korean broadcaster, quoting Taliban spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi.
The pastorÂ’s body was tossed on a highway between Kabul and Kandahar in Ghazni Province, bringing a grizzly end to his mission ‑ along with his young parishioners ‑ to bring relief services to Afghanistan. -
1 killed... and eight released... 9
14 remain. Please bless and pray for them and if you find it in your hearts... the hostage takers as well... -
Taliban kill SKorean hostage in Afghanistan
How does one even talk to such barbarians?! What kind of "muslims" are these people?!!!
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan
A deadline imposed on 22 surviving South Koreans kidnapped by the Taliban passed early Thursday, hours after the rebels demanded a prisoner swap after killing their first hostage.
There was no immediate news on the fate of the abductees following the 2030 GMT deadline (1.00am local time) and a leading Taliban figure called for more foreign kidnappings.
The South Korean government confirmed the death and appealed for the other hostages to be released unharmed.
"One of our citizens kidnapped in Afghanistan has been confirmed to have been killed on July 25," foreign ministry spokesman Cho Hee-yong told a press briefing on Thursday.
"The government once again urges (the kidnappers) to immediately release the hostages and we will continue to do our utmost to win their safe release," the foreign ministry spokesman was quoted as saying by the Yonhap news agency.
Police found the bullet-riddled body of the Korean, one of a group of Christian aid workers, a few hours after the Taliban said they had executed him because talks to secure the release of eight insurgent prisoners had stalled.
"We killed one of the Koreans today because the government is not being honest in talks," Taliban spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP by telephone from an unknown location on Wednesday.
The police chief of Ghazni province, where the Taliban are holding the Koreans, said the badly-wounded body was dumped in a remote area several miles from the nearest road.
"We've recovered the body. It had 10 bullet holes," police commander Alishah Ahmadzai said.
In an alarming intervention, the Islamist militia's apparent new military commander used a television interview to urge rebels to kidnap as many foreigners as possible.
Speaking to Britain's Channel 4 News from an undisclosed location along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, Mansour Dadullah, who took over from his brother Mullah Dadullah killed by coalition troops in May, also said that the Taliban planned to use children to behead hostages.
He advocated kidnapping foreigners to trade them for Taliban captives -- Dadullah himself was released from prison by Afghanistan in exchange for a kidnapped Italian journalist earlier this year.
"Of course, kidnapping is a very successful policy and I order all my mujahideen to kidnap foreigners of any nationality wherever they find them and then we should do the same kind of deal," Dadullah told the broadcaster.
As tensions mounted on Wednesday, the head of the government delegation negotiating the release of the Koreans, Waheedullah Mujadadi, said the Taliban had opened fire on him in a buffer zone between Taliban and government controlled areas.
"I managed to escape the attack. They were trying to kidnap me as well or kill me," he said.
The militants -- who were ousted from power in Afghanistan by US-led forces in late 2001 -- set the 2030 GMT Wednesday deadline for Afghan authorities to accede to their demands for the release of the jailed Taliban fighters.
"We call on the South Korean government, parliament and its people to pressure the Afghan government to accept our demands or we'll kill more hostages after the deadline passes," Ahmadi said.
An Afghan governor and the Taliban both denied a report by South Korea's Yonhap news agency, quoting an unidentified government official in Seoul, that eight of the Koreans were freed Wednesday.
"Talks continue but no one has been freed so far," said Ghazni governor Mirajuddin Pattan. Rebel spokesman Ahmadi said the claim was "government propaganda."
South Korean and Afghan officials earlier travelled to Ghazni to lead efforts to free the Koreans, the biggest group of foreigners to be abducted during the Taliban's nearly six-year insurgency.
Any prisoner exchange would run counter to President Hamid Karzai's pledge not to allow the practice after his government in March freed Dadullah and four other Taliban militants in exchange for the Italian reporter.
A fresh hostage crisis was defused Wednesday when Taliban rebels freed a Danish journalist and his Afghan companion several hours after abducting them overnight in eastern Kunar province bordering Pakistan.
Officials earlier said the reporter was German.
Provincial governor Shalizai Didar said the pair were abducted after they travelled to the restive Watapour district to report on a NATO-led air strike which killed several Afghan civilians some two weeks ago.
"They were freed with no conditions through the power and cooperation of peace-loving local elders," Didar said. -
Hi to all, just to share my view on this.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:1 killed... and eight released... 9
14 remain. Please bless and pray for them and if you find it in your hearts... the hostage takers as well...
I just watched CNA less than half an hour ago, it seems that the 'eight released' is not confirmed by the official. The 1 that was killed is the pastor who is leading this missionary trip. My personal assumption would be that he had probably volunteer to sacrifice in place for others.
Being safe in our home, probably the only thing we can do is to pray for these unfortunate hostages and pray for their safe returns.
Regarding on secret services, well, as its name proposed, their mission will be highly classified and you don't expect to see it publicize in the news. Assuming Taliban's kidnapping was well planned, it will not be easy for the secret services to accomplish the mission. Remember the kidnappers will have an upperhand of we-can-kill-hostages-anytime and the secret services cannot afford to take such risks.
As AEN mentioned and I believe, there are probably no such super hero that can save the world.
Lives are at stake, I hope that forummers in this thread will be more sensitive and avoid snide and sarcastic remarks.
Thank you.
Buddham Saranam Gachami
Dhammam Saranam Gachami
Sangham Saranam Gachami
May the merits of Refuge to the Triplegem dedicated to the affected people in this incident and may no more blood be drawn. May the blessings of the Buddha, the Dhamma and the Sangha guide and protect them all.
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and what have the terrorist gained by killing the pastor? nothing except increase people's hatred for them... if their actions fill you with hatred, even if it is hatred for them, they would have won a small insignificant victory... please deny them even this small insignificant victory...
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i don't think they were looking for people's approval. they killed him because they want to let the govt know that they mean business, so that they will stop stalling the negotiation.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:and what have the terrorist gained by killing the pastor? nothing except increase people's hatred for them... if their actions fill you with hatred, even if it is hatred for them, they would have won a small insignificant victory... please deny them even this small insignificant victory... -
Afghans say remaining Korean hostages still alive
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-07-26T033844Z_01_ISL42047_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-AFGHAN-HOSTAGES-COL.XML
Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:38 PM EDT161
By John Hemming
KABUL (Reuters) - The Taliban have not killed the remaining 22 South Korean Christian volunteers held hostage in Afghanistan despite a deadline passing, a senior official said on Thursday.
"I was awake all night and if the Taliban had killed any of them I would have known," said General Ali Shah Ahmadzai, provincial police chief of Ghazni province where the 22 remaining hostages are being held and where one was killed on Wednesday.
The Taliban said the Afghan government had been given until late Wednesday night (2030 GMT) to agree to exchange the group for eight imprisoned rebels, but the deadline passed without word from the kidnappers.
"No, they have not killed any of the hostages and we are trying to contact the Taliban for resumption of talks," the Ghazni police chief told Reuters.
Earlier reports by some media that eight hostages had been released have been denied by officials, negotiators and a spokesman for the Taliban.
The fate of the 22 Christian volunteers had hung in the balance overnight, after the rebels shot dead one hostage and dumped his bullet-ridden body near where the group was seized last week. -
Yes I agree on what you've said.Originally posted by yamizi:Hi to all, just to share my view on this.
I just watched CNA less than half an hour ago, it seems that the 'eight released' is not confirmed by the official. The 1 that was killed is the pastor who is leading this missionary trip. My personal assumption would be that he had probably volunteer to sacrifice in place for others.
Being safe in our home, probably the only thing we can do is to pray for these unfortunate hostages and pray for their safe returns.
Regarding on secret services, well, as its name proposed, their mission will be highly classified and you don't expect to see it publicize in the news. Assuming Taliban's kidnapping was well planned, it will not be easy for the secret services to accomplish the mission. Remember the kidnappers will have an upperhand of we-can-kill-hostages-anytime and the secret services cannot afford to take such risks.
As AEN mentioned and I believe, there are probably no such super hero that can save the world.
Lives are at stake, I hope that forummers in this thread will be more sensitive and avoid snide and sarcastic remarks.
Thank you.
Buddham Saranam Gachami
Dhammam Saranam Gachami
Sangham Saranam Gachami
May the merits of Refuge to the Triplegem dedicated to the affected people in this incident and may no more blood be drawn. May the blessings of the Buddha, the Dhamma and the Sangha guide and protect them all.
Sadhu
Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love, this is the eternal rule - BuddhaOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:and what have the terrorist gained by killing the pastor? nothing except increase people's hatred for them... if their actions fill you with hatred, even if it is hatred for them, they would have won a small insignificant victory... please deny them even this small insignificant victory... -
Hopefully the evil doers will see the futility of killing innocent people after they see that killing "Pastor Bae Hyeong-gyu" served no purpose.
I believe that as pastor, he felt that it was his responsibility to "protect" his people and was beaten and tortured till he could not walk.
"a police official ..... said militants told him the hostage was sick and couldn't walk and was therefore shot. "