Let Wisdom fill our life -Wisdom Bliss Book Printing Prj01
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I think you made a fundamental mistake in saying legal consultation costs 2 grands. It depends which law firm or more specifically which lawyer you go to. Probably you may get it for free if you know the right guy.Originally posted by bohiruci:Free distribution book have no legal procedure , if required , will you be willing to pay a legal fee for consultation , per consultation cost 2 grands
Since we are printing free distribution material , karma is owner of this printing , not Legal parties .
I would strongly suggest you go and take a look at free distribution books in Buddhist lodge
If we need legalised the copies ,we need to apply for ISBN number and this takes months to register and must be registered with fees paid to the US national library of Congress for registered publication .
by then 4 times the amount is needed to print a mere 2000 copies of it spend on legal issue and ISBN registration
I am selecting sutra and from dhammapada .
May I ask ,have you heard that Dhammapada have a copyright issue ?
who is the owner ? sakyamuni Buddha rite ?
All this is addressed in the past , so please dont worry
Kindly noted that whatever obstruction ,the printing will still
proceed as planned
ISBN is not a necessary "legal" procedure in book publishing. Having ISBN is simply allowing an easier cataloging and it is our local library's requirement if you would like to have the book to be put inside our library (I may be wrong in this part, if anyone know the library's requirement please verify).
Quoting from sutra of course have no copyright issue but the images and pictures that you are going to insert may have copyright issues.
Since you had suggested to gather the articles from forummers here, you shall have the obligation in telling them what will happen after their articles are been collected. This is quite different from the free distribution books in buddhist lodge. Most of those books are probably having those legal issues solved, be it books from Taiwan or simply chanting books which I think have no legal issues at all.
I think it is justifiable for justidiot77 to raise these issue. Probably he didn't have such experience. Trying to put it off by simply using expensive legal fee doesn't seem that "good hearted" at all. -
Well , I can agree on your points but I am not going to ask wisdom bliss as a forum to be involved ,it totally a voluntary effortOriginally posted by yamizi:I think you made a fundamental mistake in saying legal consultation costs 2 grands. It depends which law firm or more specifically which lawyer you go to. Probably you may get it for free if you know the right guy.
ISBN is not a necessary "legal" procedure in book publishing. Having ISBN is simply allowing an easier cataloging and it is our local library's requirement if you would like to have the book to be put inside our library (I may be wrong in this part, if anyone know the library's requirement please verify).
Quoting from sutra of course have no copyright issue but the images and pictures that you are going to insert may have copyright issues.
Since you had suggested to gather the articles from forummers here, you shall have the obligation in telling them what will happen after their articles are been collected. This is quite different from the free distribution books in buddhist lodge. Most of those books are probably having those legal issues solved, be it books from Taiwan or simply chanting books which I think have no legal issues at all.
I think it is justifiable for justidiot77 to raise these issue. Probably he didn't have such experience. Trying to put it off by simply using expensive legal fee doesn't seem that "good hearted" at all.
Whether you want to donate or not , its totally a personal affairs
I dun see any need to tell the forummers , its among well-wisher and those who hope to help others .
there isnt a notice to ask for donation for something
and I helping a printing company from collapsing ,
if you will take a moment to think about Bodhisattva practice ,you will
feel that you will abide by the Nation's law in carrying out such thing
am I wrong
To a person who embodies compassion in all aspect , there isnt any need to worry .I will write in the book the amount used and the remaining in the witness of all well-wisher donated to temple organisation if there is any excesses
Kindly hold the lotus on your heart ,Yamizi
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Originally posted by bohiruci:
Well , I can agree on your points but I am not going to ask wisdom bliss as a forum to be involved ,it totally a voluntary effort
Then you shouldn't have name this "Wisdom BLiss Book Printing Prj01". The mere mention of the name of this forum could possibly amount to misrepresenting the forum. However AEN had made clear that this project is your sole effort. If you truly want to do it out of your personal effort, I suggest you start off a new thread and not carry on in this as misunderstanding might still happen.
Whether you want to donate or not , its totally a personal affairs
Now you post it in the forum, any forummer has the right to enquire the details of your project.
I dun see any need to tell the forummers , its among well-wisher and those who hope to help others .
If you want people to contribute, be it article or monetary or any other means, you are obliged to relate all details to everyone. Why don't you see a need? You have hidden agenda?
there isnt a notice to ask for donation for something
I didn't say there is in the first place. And I don't think it will be lawful to solicit fund in the forum.
and I helping a printing company from collapsing ,
if you will take a moment to think about Bodhisattva practice ,you will
feel that you will abide by the Nation's law in carrying out such thing
am I wrong
So now it's shedding light that you want to help salvage the fate of a collasping printing company, so it suggests that it may not be just a genuine and simple intention of printing Dhamma books, I see that it is an effort in helping someone, not necessary wrong but I hope that you will be more upfront about it. Whether one does Bodhisattva practice or not, one should abide the law! The fundamental reason for the existence of law in any country is to maintain order and justice. Irregardless of your beliefs.
To a person who embodies compassion in all aspect , there isnt any need to worry .I will write in the book the amount used and the remaining in the witness of all well-wisher donated to temple organisation if there is any excesses
Prevention is better than cure, that is why both Compassion and Wisdom should be practiced rather than relying solely on Compassion which may allow abuse to be taken place. Personally, if I want to make a monetary donation to publish books, then all of that amount should go to that and not due to excess and donate to any temple organisation. The intentions of the donars and the assurance to follow-through that intention is important.
Kindly hold the lotus on your heart ,Yamizi
Please open your heart and present your proposal in full in a new thread so that to stop any possibility of people mistake this as a project from this forum.
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No, I'm refering to the term 'Miao4' not often being referred to Buddhist places, our places are more referred to as 'Shi4'. I didn't imply anything about any term being low class.Originally posted by yamizi:I think you really need to get passed all these labelling of temple belonging to taoist and monastery for buddhist.
Dao4 Guan4 can be translated as a Taoist Monastery. Nothing much wrong with it.
In fact the word "temple" originated from the Old Testament, why don't you say temple should refer to churches?
I have the impression, I may be wrong, that you feel that temple is a much low-class term and therefore you are trying to shove it away from Buddhism. -
Yes justdoit77 do have some points there also, its just part of the things that needs to be considered when publishing a book.Originally posted by yamizi:I think you made a fundamental mistake in saying legal consultation costs 2 grands. It depends which law firm or more specifically which lawyer you go to. Probably you may get it for free if you know the right guy.
ISBN is not a necessary "legal" procedure in book publishing. Having ISBN is simply allowing an easier cataloging and it is our local library's requirement if you would like to have the book to be put inside our library (I may be wrong in this part, if anyone know the library's requirement please verify).
Quoting from sutra of course have no copyright issue but the images and pictures that you are going to insert may have copyright issues.
Since you had suggested to gather the articles from forummers here, you shall have the obligation in telling them what will happen after their articles are been collected. This is quite different from the free distribution books in buddhist lodge. Most of those books are probably having those legal issues solved, be it books from Taiwan or simply chanting books which I think have no legal issues at all.
I think it is justifiable for justidiot77 to raise these issue. Probably he didn't have such experience. Trying to put it off by simply using expensive legal fee doesn't seem that "good hearted" at all. -
And ending up with more CO2 in the environment, talking about being environmentally concious....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes. It is the appropriate and respectful method to dispose Buddhist materials. Just like Buddha cremated himself in his fire of samadhi resulting in many of the shariras and relics.
Throwing it into the rubbish chute is a disrespectful way.
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In the past, say if a Buddha image, be it statue or picture, was damaged, it would be consider to be disrespectful to keep it and therefore to have the spoilt image to be burnt so that the imcomplete, damaged images would not cease to exist. However this is just a tradition that is laid down. I think Buddha did not explicitly say how to dispose His stuffs (besides creamating His body).Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:And ending up with more CO2 in the environment, talking about being environmentally concious....
Personally, when I have buddhists books that's really very badly damaged or other books from pseudo-buddhist cults, I will just put them in the recycle bins.
I think the important thing is the intention you have while you're disposing. Whatever methods, to my understanding is not that important. Of course if you want to save Mother Earth, then probably just put them into recycle bin or something? -
I understand but I think there is no hard and fast rule that Miao4 has to translate as Temple and Si4 as Monastery or vice versa.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No, I'm refering to the term 'Miao4' not often being referred to Buddhist places, our places are more referred to as 'Shi4'. I didn't imply anything about any term being low class.
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Hmm quite true..Originally posted by yamizi:I understand but I think there is no hard and fast rule that Miao4 has to translate as Temple and Si4 as Monastery or vice versa.
This is probably only a buddhist's preference. -
i think is just a label, be it Si4 or Miao4. It's still can be a place we house a statue of Buddha for paying respect.Originally posted by yamizi:I understand but I think there is no hard and fast rule that Miao4 has to translate as Temple and Si4 as Monastery or vice versa.
This is probably only a buddhist's preference.
On top of that I think there's still other terms like jing4 she3, xiao3 yuan4 for smaller monasteries. -
Yes you are right.Originally posted by path_seeker:i think is just a label, be it Si4 or Miao4. It's still can be a place we house a statue of Buddha for paying respect.
On top of that I think there's still other terms like jing4 she3, xiao3 yuan4 for smaller monasteries.
You should read the earlier thread as it was AEN who attempt to say that temple meant for taoists and monastry for buddhists. I'm just trying to help him to break that attachment of labelling. -
How about teaching him how to read the whole scientific report instead of just portion of the report? AEN needs to pay attention.Originally posted by yamizi:Yes you are right.
You should read the earlier thread as it was AEN who attempt to say that temple meant for taoists and monastry for buddhists. I'm just trying to help him to break that attachment of labelling. -
Originally posted by yamizi:
actually, according to my old tripitaka master, based on china's history, it's actually true in the dynasty/imperial era, but not true now in our mix modern era.
Yes you are right.
You should read the earlier thread as it was AEN who attempt to say that temple meant for taoists and monastry for buddhists. I'm just trying to help him to break that attachment of labelling.
si4 was actually meant for a place of Education for the emperor... as last time, not everyone can learn buddhism. emperor only kept the best advicer which were high monk(s) in his palace. they are called he2 shang4, ie he2 as in harmony. we mix modern era however don't know much, anyhow call monks he2 shang4 thru watching movies, which is actually not correct wan. one monestry can Only have One he2 shang4 who is like the Main master. like in a school, there's teachers and only one principal.
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I get you.Originally posted by sinweiy:actually, according to my old tripitaka master, based on china's history, it's actually true in the dynasty/imperial era, but not true now in our mix modern era.
si4 was actually meant for a place of Education for the emperor... as last time, not everyone can learn buddhism. emperor only kept the best advicer which were high monk(s) in his palace. they are called he2 shang4, ie he2 as in harmony. we mix modern era however don't know much, anyhow call monks he2 shang4 thru watching movies, which is actually not correct wan. one monestry can Only have One he2 shang4 who is like the Main master. like in a school, there's teachers and only one principal.
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My point to AEN was simply Si doesn't have to translate as monastry and Miao doesn't have to translate as temple.
On how did the term Si actually arise, I have no idea, probably your master is right on this. But I think it does not much affect the translation in this area.
And besides, I think there is not stringent rule that Monastry and Temple have to be translated in that buddhists' prefered manner. It depends on who is the translation in the end. -
Originally posted by yamizi:
cannot blame him.
I get you.
My point to AEN was simply Si doesn't have to translate as monastry and Miao doesn't have to translate as temple.
And besides, I think there is not stringent rule that Monastry and Temple have to be translated in that buddhists' prefered manner. It depends on who is the translation in the end.
i think he saw that i mentioned it before in the forum. i was conveying my master's intention.
ok i did a check. to be more accurate.
based on chinese english online dictionary.
http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?cdqchi=%E5%AF%BA%E5%BA%99
si can be court, office; temple, monastery.
miao is temple, shrine; imperial court. no monastery though.
tink there's reason for using 2 characters in the chinese literary culture, if not they would have use one character will do.
anyway, i think my master's point is to educated people with the correct command of chinese, with it's original meaning. because people nowaday often misuse the chinese word, which also lead to the mixing of buddhism with folk believes. they tot buddhism is for praying rather than it's original purpose of Educating. like last time there's actually no "zhong1jiao4" wan. it's the west that invented the word 'religion'.
having know this, master came up with an idea, since people already got both si and miao wrongly, my master had change it to "fo2 xue2 yuan4". there...back to the original meaning of Education.
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