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is it ture tat on the sixth day the decease will sneak back home and 7th day will be escorted back?
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When someone dies, he may be reborn from the moment the passes away up till 49 days. In between the 49 days, if he has not been reborn yet, and he is still feeling attached to his family or things like that, he might come back and visit. But it has nothing to do with which days. If he comes back, he comes back due to his attachment. It is best that you tell the deceased to leave peacefully, and that all is fine so that he can let go of his attachments.Originally posted by me_a_clone:is it ture tat on the sixth day the decease will sneak back home and 7th day will be escorted back?
And what do you mean by 'escorted back'? Back to where? -
Anyway you may want to read up on this: http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol8no4c.htm (Life after Life)
On the topic of rebirth and afterlife. -
Report to King Yan.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:And what do you mean by 'escorted back'? Back to where? -
I see. Not everyone who dies reports to King Yama, but I think those who are reborn in hell does.Originally posted by knightlll:Report to King Yan.
If one is reborn in hell one will not be able to 'come out' until the karma has been exhausted. -
i was inform like: on the sixth day after death, decease will sneak back w/o permission ( AWOL ) to whr he/she live when they r alive. but on the seventh day, they are on official leave to visit home and will be escorted back home by the hell 'officer'
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here is some info ,Originally posted by me_a_clone:is it ture tat on the sixth day the decease will sneak back home and 7th day will be escorted back?
ppl who have read the tibetan book of dying that on the first seventh day
the conscious of the deceased will visit the loved ones
as in "tou qi "
so the understanding is that consciousness will come and visit the family as long as he /she is in the first 49 days in the state of zhongyinsheng
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i understood the term touqi, erqi ===> qiqi= 49.. but will she sneak back w/o permission? becaz the decease in question is my mum.. i wan to understand will she be back today and tomorow...Originally posted by bohiruci:here is some info ,
ppl who have read the tibetan book of dying that on the first seventh day
the conscious of the deceased will visit the loved ones
as in "tou qi "
so the understanding is that consciousness will come and visit the family as long as he /she is in the first 49 days in the state of zhongyinsheng -
Where did you get this information from?Originally posted by me_a_clone:i was inform like: on the sixth day after death, decease will sneak back w/o permission ( AWOL ) to whr he/she live when they r alive. but on the seventh day, they are on official leave to visit home and will be escorted back home by the hell 'officer' -
from those 1 generation abv mine.. all my aunties and uncle.. i know the 7th day she will be back but 1st time hear the sixth day she will come back w/o permission..Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Where did you get this information from? -
I see..Originally posted by me_a_clone:from those 1 generation abv mine.. all my aunties and uncle.. i know the 7th day she will be back but 1st time hear the sixth day she will come back w/o permission..
There are many of such sayings/folklores esp among Chinese folk traditions or ming jian xing yang, but many of their understandings differs from Buddhism.
You may want to look up into the link I provided above.
Anyway it is best for people to be reborn quickly and not be so attached -- so it is important that when someone passes away, get a venerable to come and talk some dharma to the deceased, talk about things like impermanence suffering and emptiness.. so that he may let go of his attachments.
There are some people who are so attached that they become wandering ghosts after 49 days, maybe staying at a particular location due to his attachments. That is why some people keep seeing visions of the deceased... in that case one should dedicate merits to him in hope he be reborn in higher or human realms quickly.
So it is not that only particular days that the deceased may come back. If he is attached, he can stay very long.
Some people however are reborn very quickly, or even reborn immediately after death upon ripening of various wholesome or unwholesome karma.
So each individual's case of rebirth is different, though we can safely say that a person should be reborn within 49 days (unless due to strong attachments, etc).
The best however, is that you practise the Dharma, and at the time of death your consciousness immediately 'merges' or rather, recognises the Clear Light of your own true nature/Buddha nature and abides there. Such a person thereby attains liberation from the 6 realms and attains nirvana, and may return to samsara again not due to ripening of karma, but rather due to the vows of the Bodhisattva, much like Guan Yin Pu Sa returns to samsara to lead sentient beings to Enlightenment. So practise the Buddhadharma, until you are able to transcend the cycles of samsara and the influences of your karma. It is truly possible.
Regarding this... I've posted before --
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I am sorry to hear about your mum. You could find out from the monks what sutra and what merits to make on behalf of your mum. Certain actions are very powerful to create merits to the deceased.Originally posted by me_a_clone:i understood the term touqi, erqi ===> qiqi= 49.. but will she sneak back w/o permission? becaz the decease in question is my mum.. i wan to understand will she be back today and tomorow... -
Sorry to hear about that.. and I missed this post.Originally posted by me_a_clone:from those 1 generation abv mine.. all my aunties and uncle.. i know the 7th day she will be back but 1st time hear the sixth day she will come back w/o permission..
If your mom is still within the 49 days period, I really advise you to find a venerable who can come and help 'chao du' and speak the dharma to your mom.. that would be of help to her.
As for which day she is there, a Zhong Yin Sheng can be around every day until the day he/she is reborn. Therefore if you chant it will have a positive impact on the deceased, and also encourage the deceased to chant along as well.
Rather than coming back on the 7th day, actually, every 7th day there is usually a high chance to be reborn... until 49th day. -
Please read through this thoroughly:
Life after life
1) After a person dies, approximately how many days does it take for him to be reborn?
After a person dies, before he is reborn, he becomes a Zhong Yin Shen. (Chung-ying-shen: It is an intermediate existence between death and rebirth to the next life. When ordinary people die, they are not immediately reborn. Between death and their next birth, there is a short period of one to 49 days, during which the soul is of a dank gaseous form. It is invisible to the ordinary people at large, and is a mind-consciousness without a physical body.) There is a 49-day period for rebirth. Although it is stated to be 49 days, it is not necessary that rebirth takes place only on the 49th day. A person who has great virtuous roots and has performed great virtuous deeds ascends immediately to the heavens as soon as he dies. If he had been a great sinner in his lifetime, he immediately descends to hell. During the 49-day period, the conditions for rebirth are not predetermined for the average person who neither was virtuous nor evil in his lifetime. Such a person will search for the condition for his rebirth within the 49 days. The 49-day period is divided into terms of 7 days. If the condition for rebirth arises during any of these 7-day terms, he can be reborn. Which realm is he reborn to? That is determined by his conduct during his lifetime. If all seven 7-day terms expire but he still finds no condition for rebirth, then he naturally enters into the realm of ghosts.
2) During this 49-day period, how can we help the deceased to be reborn in a virtuous realm?
After human beings die, they have a Zhong Yin Shen. This is the soul. Upon death, doers of great virtuous deeds, ascend immediately to heaven, while doers of great evil deeds, descend immediately to hell. But average people who have neither been virtuous nor evil will go in search of conditions for rebirth during the 49-day period.
You can seek the help of a cultivated monk (or nun) to perform merits for such a person to lessen his negative karma so as to help him to be reborn to a virtuous realm. In this way, no matter which realm he is reborn in, his negative karma will be reduced. If you perform merits on his behalf, he will be able to receive the effects even if he should descend into hell. And performing merits for him would add to his heavenly blessings if he should ascend into heaven.
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dear me_a_cloneOriginally posted by me_a_clone:i understood the term touqi, erqi ===> qiqi= 49.. but will she sneak back w/o permission? becaz the decease in question is my mum.. i wan to understand will she be back today and tomorow...
recite Namo Amituofo to your mum , tell her to remember the strength of Amitabha , she will be able to liberate and never to reborn in Saha world again
keep reciting for whole day without stop ,only stopping for meals
then target 7000 times tml -
i will also transfer merit for your mum
be strong ,faced the world
so you will be a good son to your deceased mum ,and she dun have to worry abt you and concentrate on going Western Paradise
Namo Amituofo -
hi me_a_clone
sorry to hear about that.
one important thing is, don't cry in front of the deceased, they will get very disturbed emotionally.
If according to tibetan buddhism, shouldn't anyhow touch their body when they just pass away. -
we did not touch her body when she pass away and i did cry a bit when the coffin is being wheel in to be cremated. Me and my bros did on behalf of her buy (ka sa) <== thai monk robe and gift it to them.
i myself know that death is a must for all living bodies. and accept that ( you yin, bi you guo ) we can only help her by transfering merit to her now. but still maybe she is my mum, i still miss her alot and wan her to be back here. -
Originally posted by justdoit77:
Yes and therefore best to replace crying with chanting.. And best to chant as much as possible.
hi me_a_clone
sorry to hear about that.
one important thing is, don't cry in front of the deceased, they will get very disturbed emotionally.
Yes and according to mahayana as well
If according to tibetan buddhism, shouldn't anyhow touch their body when they just pass away.
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Sad to say that as long as you are in samsara, forever you have to suffer for the lost of family members and friends.Originally posted by me_a_clone:we did not touch her body when she pass away and i did cry a bit when the coffin is being wheel in to be cremated. Me and my bros did on behalf of her buy (ka sa) <== thai monk robe and gift it to them.
i myself know that death is a must for all living bodies. and accept that ( you yin, bi you guo ) we can only help her by transfering merit to her now. but still maybe she is my mum, i still miss her alot and wan her to be back here.
cheer up, go and do something practical and beneficial -
I understand that you are sad because of the passing away of your mother..Originally posted by me_a_clone:but still maybe she is my mum, i still miss her alot and wan her to be back here.
But the least you would want to do is to increase her attachments and hindering her from being reborn quickly. Therefore, rather than wanting her to stay around, you should practise chanting and wish for her to be reborn in pure land or the higher realms.
http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol8no4c.htm
5. When a person dies, why do we chant "Amitabha Buddha"?
When a person passes away, at the instant of his death he experiences extreme suffering. Chanting "Amitabha Buddha" provides him with a spiritual reliance, thus relieving some of his suffering. Helping him chant in this way reinforces his faith and his wishes to be reborn in the Western Pure Land. Thus, chanting at his moment of death is very important and helpful for the dying person. -
once upon a time ......... like all fairy tales, they are meant to help you sleep!Originally posted by me_a_clone:is it ture tat on the sixth day the decease will sneak back home and 7th day will be escorted back? -
please be tactful .. the deceased is the forummer mum .show the forummer some tactness in sensitive issue .....Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:once upon a time ......... like all fairy tales, they are meant to help you sleep! -
she did not came back on her 7th day.. does it mean she no longer have clinging to her family and is comfortable? actually when we go 'pick' the bone up, we found something on her skull cap, and was inform by the person assisting us to 'pick' the bones those were 'se li hua'.. maybe my mum have reach a certain stage that she no longer cling on the this world....
