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Why are you asking this?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:What do you think makes joy infinite in a person's life? Can a person be sad for eternity? As I oft said, the believe that each and every person having a Buddha nature is a questionable philosophy.
To answer -- what makes joy infinite in one's life? Attaining Nirvana.
Can a person be sad for eternity? No, but suffering will continue until the attainment of Nirvana. -
After attaining Nirvana, is a person still human? If so, he will still suffer from pain and lost.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Why are you asking this?
To answer -- what makes joy infinite in one's life? Attaining Nirvana.
Can a person be sad for eternity? No, but suffering will continue until the attainment of Nirvana. -
After attaining Nirvana, one no longer cherishes the idea of himself as a 'self' or a 'human self'. There is no self to be found, so this question becomes irrelevant, and does not suffer.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:After attaining Nirvana, is a person still human? If so, he will still suffer from pain and lost. -
With the complete death of the notion of the separate self, the separate individual... there is just everything arising spontaneously, to no one. It is a complete DEATH... after which life is lifeless... as what Steven Norquist said:
You see, with enlightenment comes the knowledge that even though there is much activity in the world, there are no doers. The universe is in a sense, lifeless. There is no one, only happenings and the experience of happenings. Enlightenment reveals that the universe emerges spontaneously.
With such insights, whatever happens, happens to no one... how can self-centered suffering arise? There is simply arising, thoughts, physical pain, or any sensations, but to no one. Self-arisen, self-liberated, simultaneously.. As Jeff Foster said, "This is breathing, this is the heart beating, this is an entire world arising out of nothing and falling back into nothing, ceaselessly, playfully, like waves in the ocean, like icy breath on a winterÂ’s day, like the memory of a loved one, long since departed."
Here's a great article:
http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/10.html
What is Nonduality? - Reflections on the utterly obvious....
by Jeff Foster
This is the end of all hope, because it is the end of a future, and what is the future but a hope?
And with the end of hope comes the death of the one who hopes. But this death is not something a person could ever bring about, for what is the attempt to bring this about but the Hope of all Hopes?
And so, the end of all hope is death, death of the individual, death of the one who hopes. And death looks like this:
Breathing, the heart beating, sounds in the room, sensations in the body.....
In fact, death looks a lot like life, except now there is nobody there living that life, just life itself playing out spontaneously, of its own accord, in its own time. This is a life lived by nobody, and yet there are still faces, places, feelings, ups and downs. Although now the ups are equal to the downs, pain is equal to pleasure, the most excruciating suffering is equal to the greatest joy. Because with the death of the person comes the death of all opposites, all opposition, all duality, which is to say that everything now exists in perfect balance (as it always has done). And yet, there is nobody to know that balance, nobody who could name it, nobody who could even speak of it even if they wanted to.
And of course, what is being written here cannot capture it at all. How to use dualistic concepts to describe that which is beyond duality? And anyway, isn’t “beyond duality” just another concept, perhaps the biggest concept of them all?
Perhaps. But no matter. What is being said here has nothing to do with words. Once we get lost in words and concepts and meanings we’ve missed the point entirely. Because this message is about what is presently happening – present sights, sounds and smells. It’s about the utterly obvious present appearance of life, an appearance which appears to nobody, an appearance which dances and swirls and pretends to be solid but actually has no solidity at all, an appearance which cannot be grasped in any way (and the attempt to grasp it would only lead to suffering…)
ItÂ’s an appearance which cannot be escaped, cannot be denied, cannot be transcended, because the person who would try and do any of these things in the first place does not even exist. He is an apparition, a ghost, a mirage, a thought. And what power does thought have?
And so this is the end of choice, the end of control.
This is the absolute freedom which cannot be reached through any sort of effort or non-effort.
This is the end of duality because it is the wide open space, the vastness in which duality appears to arise in the first place.
This is totally extraordinary, and yet it is nothing special.
This is the miracle of all miracles, and yet it is as simple as breathing.
This is death, and yet it is also the source of all life.
This is not something a mind could ever hope to grasp. This is not a concept to be understood, not a new belief to be believed.
This is breathing, this is the heart beating, this is an entire world arising out of nothing and falling back into nothing, ceaselessly, playfully, like waves in the ocean, like icy breath on a winterÂ’s day, like the memory of a loved one, long since departed.
This is not a state to be reached; it is not something that some people have and others donÂ’t.
This is just a description of the utterly obvious.
ItÂ’s so simple a newborn baby could see it: life already has no centre. -
You mean when one attains Nirvana, one is not human mentally? Pain is part and parcel of life.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:After attaining Nirvana, one no longer cherishes the idea of himself as a 'self' or a 'human self'. There is no self to be found, so this question becomes irrelevant, and does not suffer. -
He is, but he undergoes a psychological death. Death of being a separate self.. death of being a 'center' where things are happening to 'him'. In fact, there is just happenings happening to no one, spontaneously arising and passing. It is a lifeless life.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:You mean when one attains Nirvana, one is not human mentally? Pain is part and parcel of life. -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
yes, say for example, one is dreaming, and the dream seem so real to you. maybe you had a nightmare and u think you are suffering, but all of a sudden, you realised that it's just a dream, you just wake-up and poof, the dream is gone. when one awake, there's no ego, hence the dream had no effect on u.
After attaining Nirvana, one no longer cherishes the idea of himself as a 'self' or a 'human self'. There is no self to be found, so this question becomes irrelevant, and does not suffer.
ya, there's the kind of experience of Buddha.
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No such thing as a psychological death. I can understand diminished personality from having a lobotomy but your psychological death is kinda nonsensical.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:He is, but he undergoes a psychological death. Death of being a separate self.. death of being a 'center' where things are happening to 'him'. In fact, there is just happenings happening to no one, spontaneously arising and passing. It is a lifeless life. -
It is absolutely not nonsensical.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:No such thing as a psychological death. I can understand diminished personality from having a lobotomy but your psychological death is kinda nonsensical.
On the other hand, our ignorance and belief in a separate and permanent self is nonsensical.
Once one sees this 'separate self' as it is -- just a thought, a belief, a story, it is instantaneously dropped. We then separate 'self' from 'what is'. -
hehe i see why you are known for your references to lobotomy in your postsOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:No such thing as a psychological death. I can understand diminished personality from having a lobotomy but your psychological death is kinda nonsensical.
maybe try to see it like this:
if one sees and realises that what one has been using to identify and address oneself as is no longer true, no longer accurate, maybe even funny, what would one do?
what would you do? can you not say that this psychological image of your self has died? and if your thinking has changed then are you not psychologically changed? died and reborn? how many times have you actually changed this way in your life?
if one has not studied one's own being in terms of physical and mental phenomena to a certain degree, it may be hard to appreciate this concept not to mention understand it.
so take the simple-yet-often-passed footpath to the hills of self discovery sometimes, taking time off from the fast and furious highway to the shiny bright lights of the cities of desires and possesions
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To understand me, go kill yourself. Ignorance of self is bliss indeed, pun intended.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It is absolutely not nonsensical.
On the other hand, our ignorance and belief in a separate and permanent self is nonsensical.
Once one sees this 'separate self' as it is -- just a thought, a belief, a story, it is instantaneously dropped. We then separate 'self' from 'what is'.
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Maybe I have met people who are lobotomised before and I try to comprehen their thoughts and feelings.Originally posted by soemt:hehe i see why you are known for your references to lobotomy in your posts
maybe try to see it like this:
if one sees and realises that what one has been using to identify and address oneself as is no longer true, no longer accurate, maybe even funny, what would one do?
what would you do? can you not say that this psychological image of your self has died? and if your thinking has changed then are you not psychologically changed? died and reborn? how many times have you actually changed this way in your life?
if one has not studied one's own being in terms of physical and mental phenomena to a certain degree, it may be hard to appreciate this concept not to mention understand it.
so take the simple-yet-often-passed footpath to the hills of self discovery sometimes, taking time off from the fast and furious highway to the shiny bright lights of the cities of desires and possesions
Identity may not be important for some and of life-threatening issue for others but most geriatrics are still exploring their sense of self. Thoughts may change somethings or may not even change anything at all. So it is not an issue to everyone. -
wtf why got king yama now?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I see. Not everyone who dies reports to King Yama, but I think those who are reborn in hell does.
If one is reborn in hell one will not be able to 'come out' until the karma has been exhausted. -
King Yama is the Lord of Death, it is found in scriptures in Theravada, Mahayana and Vajrayana.Originally posted by Omniknight:wtf why got king yama now? -
Japanese call him King Emma. Quite a part of asian mytho-culture.Originally posted by Omniknight:wtf why got king yama now?
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bro. everything ard us is a myth. we did not see things with our own eyes.. Only a Belief. But there are somethings unexplainable but science itself. History and current suituation prove ur lobotomy is a fact. While history prove buddha/ christ exist. There are also unexplainable miracle by them.. So it is all in ur belief. Have or no have.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Japanese call him King Emma. Quite a part of asian mytho-culture. -
Do some experiments and prove that it is true. Try killing yourself and see what happens next. That's how we prove the actuality and reality of life.Originally posted by me_a_clone:bro. everything ard us is a myth. we did not see things with our own eyes.. Only a Belief. But there are somethings unexplainable but science itself. History and current suituation prove ur lobotomy is a fact. While history prove buddha/ christ exist. There are also unexplainable miracle by them.. So it is all in ur belief. Have or no have.