Any prayers that i can say for my friend who commited suicid
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hello.. hmm commiited suicide.. if u really want to help him.. u go do good deeds in his name.. the punishment below for committing suicde is to make u commit suicide again n again n again.. den nxt time when u r born.. u wll commit suicide again.. no end .. unless u do good deeds .. and y u commit suicide again n agaian n again ? bcus tis is ur karma ..
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They make u die over and over in hell .
When ur die , they resurrect u again and again ........
if u jump well , maybe they make u repeat the thing over and over again . -
very very severe, the suicide karma will set one back for a long long time on the path because you basically snuffed out your chances of enlightenment willingly, just thinking about it is unsettling
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I have never heard that the karma of suicide is to be reborn in hell, and neither are those who committed suicide 'punished' as if there is a higher judge of karma. Karma means we are not judged, but our intentional actions ripen into its effect and consequences.Originally posted by goldevil:They make u die over and over in hell .
When ur die , they resurrect u again and again ........
if u jump well , maybe they make u repeat the thing over and over again .
However, it is true and I have heard that those who commit suicide will likely be born in the ghost realm, and the last scene will be repeated. That last moment of his action will be replayed again and again until that 8th consciousness seed is exhausted. -
this saying keeps coming to mind when i think about the topic on suicide.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
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I tot the seed of suicide should ripen in the 3 lower realms .Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I have never heard that the karma of suicide is to be reborn in hell, and neither are those who committed suicide 'punished' as if there is a higher judge of karma. Karma means we are not judged, but our intentional actions ripen into its effect and consequences.
However, it is true and I have heard that those who commit suicide will likely be born in the ghost realm, and the last scene will be repeated. That last moment of his action will be replayed again and again until that 8th consciousness seed is exhausted.
nid nt be suffering in hell .
maybe become animal or go into ghost realm . -
You should have prayed for him before he commited suicide ,you could have been that friend in his need, He would have listened to you.
Should have/could have/would have -too late for that now. -
Then if you die c0ck stand???Originally posted by goldevil:They make u die over and over in hell .
When ur die , they resurrect u again and again ........
if u jump well , maybe they make u repeat the thing over and over again .
You shiok !! like Hell Izzit??? -
It depends on your mental state. The last mental state before death can influence your next rebirth. If your mind is full of lust at that moment, it is easy for you to fall into the animal realm.Originally posted by Short Ninja:Then if you die c0ck stand???
You shiok !! like Hell Izzit??? -
It is difficult to imagine a person on the verge of dying , still think of lust. Hatred is possible , but it is hard to imagine lust.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It depends on your mental state. The last mental state before death can influence your next rebirth. If your mind is full of lust at that moment, it is easy for you to fall into the animal realm. -
My uncle on the verge of dying wanna go genting to gamble and eat roasted meat .Originally posted by knightlll:It is difficult to imagine a person on the verge of dying , still think of lust. Hatred is possible , but it is hard to imagine lust. -
Aiyo... if such case try to advise him to let go... talk about impermanence, suffering, emptiness... don't be so attached until become ghostOriginally posted by goldevil:My uncle on the verge of dying wanna go genting to gamble and eat roasted meat .
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falling into the animal realm? Rebirth means being reborn as a human being right? I also believe that when you die your mental state does not end there it goes into the different bardo state of mind just like when you are in a dream state.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It depends on your mental state. The last mental state before death can influence your next rebirth. If your mind is full of lust at that moment, it is easy for you to fall into the animal realm. -
Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Not always. There are six realms of rebirth, which can be divided into 31 planes of existence. Whta are the six realms?
falling into the animal realm? Rebirth means being reborn as a human being right?
The 3 higher realms: Humans, Asura, Devas (Heaven)
3 lower realms: Hell, Ghost, Animal
That makes up the six realms of existence in samsara. Every single sentient being who are still not enlightened and liberated from samsara, at the time of death, will undergo rebirth to the six destinations of rebirth, depending on what karma he has.
One who is evil -- i.e never keep 5 precepts, does unwholesome deeds, these beings will fall into the 3 lower realms and undergo much suffering until that karma has exhausted, then he can be reborn in the higher realms again.
One who has wholesome karma, i.e having abided by the 5 precepts, done the 10 virtuous deeds, practised generosity, filiality, etc, these people can be reborn in the higher realms, human realm, and even the deva (celestial) realm in the afterlife.
Therefore we must avoid doing all that is evil and do all that is good. In this way we will not accumulate any unwholesome karma that will affect our next birth negatively.
But not only that! Because by avoiding evil and doing all that is good, you are only accumulating good karma for future lifetimes. No matter what amount of good karma you accumulate, one day they will be used up, and you might then fall back into the lower realms. Samsara is a world of sufferings, everyone here will undergo the pain of birth, ageing, sickness, death, the 8 distresses, and so on, and even those in heaven will eventually suffer the pain of death, etc. One who can recall his countless previous lives will realise how much sufferings one undergoes through the many lifetimes of being in samsara. Therefore we must also practise purifying our mind, developing wisdom, to become liberated from the cycles of birth and death, and liberate from the wheel of samsara.
Through practising the dharma, we can then liberate from all the sufferings in our lives, attain everlasting bliss of nirvana and clarity.I also believe that when you die your mental state does not end there it goes into the different bardo state of mind just like when you are in a dream state.
That is right. Our mental continuum does not cease at the time of death, and will go through the process and cycles in the bardo state and eventually be reborn into the 6 realms of existence.
Unless -- we practise the dharma, we may be reborn in pure lands/buddha lands of the Buddhas (i.e Amitabha's Western Pure Land), or best, if we recognise our innate Mind of Clear Light at the time of death as our true nature, we will then be liberated into this Clear Light, our primordial Buddha essence. However this requires us to practise right now.. when we are alive. If we are not even liberated in daily living, don't think it's likely to be liberated at death. -
BTW wanna relate a story about attachment to gambling (or even other forms of non-gambling indulgence) and also 'becoming lazy' in cultivation, or not sustaining one's diligence in practice of dharma...Originally posted by goldevil:My uncle on the verge of dying wanna go genting to gamble and eat roasted meat .
This is a true story. There was this disciple of my Master... his cultivation was very strong, he practiced many years diligently after my Master... and his meditation is so strong that people can see light emanating from him during his meditations. His practised has reached certain levels that during a long meditation/practise retreat at my Master's monastery, he had attained an intuitive glimpse of his true nature/buddha nature.
However, having 'jian zheng' (glimpsed/seen reality) does not mean he has 'xiu zheng' (perfect his cultivation and attain full liberation), which requires continuous practice and deepening of one's enlightenment/realisation even after an initial realisation.
Though having practised so diligently and even having glimpsed his own true nature, he later indulged himself in playing chess... and just forgot about his practise altogether. He no longer meditates or practise the dharma, and simply indulge himself in playing chinese chess. Which is such a pity because he probably will have gone far in his practise and attainments if he continued to practise diligently like before...
Anyway, so he continued to indulge in chess until some years later, he died. At that time, they were going to perform pujas on him and invited my Taiwanese teacher Missionary Chen Ming An to help him.... when my teacher arrived, he looked around and saw that the Anatarbhava (the intermediate Bardo body) was not around in the room. Using his psychic abilities, he then located his Anatarabhava in some streets away, watching his old friends playing chess, totally obsessed with the game. (if nobody were to guide him at that time, he might very well have become a ghost stuck in that place)
My teacher quickly brought him back... then gave him dharma guidance. Because of his past cultivation, he was able to quickly 'regain' his practise, and there are people who saw certain signs (if I remember, some light coming out from the top of his head) signalling that his consciousness has left and reborn in a higher realm. However, he has not attained liberation, because he did not continue his practise diligently even though his practice did bear some fruit in the beginning.
Update: SO for us, who do not even have much cultivation to begin with, better not be so attached with our indulgence... and especially at the time of death.... too much obsession can cause us to be stuck in the ghost realm. Even for someone who has certain level of cultivation, if he stop halfway, will not be able to gain liberation..
Also, as my Taiwanese teacher say, gambling is really no good. Why? Other than its ability to ruin your life and corrupt your mind... even in future lives it will have negative effect. Because if you gamble, your social circle is full of people who have agenda, i.e want to win your money. In your future lifetimes, you will also meet many people who has agenda and do certain things behind your back (i.e backstab you) and so on to gain something from you... -
wads asura realm ?
higher than humans ? -
http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol8no1a.htmOriginally posted by goldevil:wads asura realm ?
higher than humans ?
"...In the beginning when sentient beings started to transmigrate in the Six Realms, they were in the realm of Heaven. Then, they descended to the Human realm. Human beings have seven types of emotion and six types of lust and because of these they continually commit negative karma. These led them to descend to the realm of Asura. Why is the realm of Asura considered to be a good realm? It is because even heavenly beings can be inflicted by ignorance, causing them to fight among themselves. The more aggressive fighters eventually descend to the realm of Asura...." -
someone mentioned this idea that suicide will deepen one's reliance in the 'i' due to the intense craving for the object the victim was fixated upon believing death was the only way..
that one hard to turn back to the shore i suppose, at least for awhile. -
Death ends all your life problems in the shortest way, so long as you don't believe in karma as a condition of living.Originally posted by soemt:someone mentioned this idea that suicide will deepen one's reliance in the 'i' due to the intense craving for the object the victim was fixated upon believing death was the only way..
that one hard to turn back to the shore i suppose, at least for awhile.
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Even if you don't believe in karma, karma still exists for you.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Death ends all your life problems in the shortest way, so long as you don't believe in karma as a condition of living. -
truth exists even if u dun believe in it .Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Even if you don't believe in karma, karma still exists for you.
if u believe sun revolves around earth which is false .
truth need not be believed in order to be true .
even if most ppl in this world dun believe in karma , it still exists . -
possible if die of overdose of viagra .Originally posted by Short Ninja:Then if you die c0ck stand???
You shiok !! like Hell Izzit???
during sex , that guy heart fail and he died with his cock errected .
like that will fall into animal realm ?
sex with wife is nt negative karma right ?
how to get into asura realm ?
since they keep on fighting among themselves , y is asura a gd realm.
asura is one of the 4 unhappy rebirth . -
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a good friend has also made prior arrangement with me should he pass away in an accident.
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it is always good to make a will just in case u passed on..
Extra costs will not be incur for government procedure and a lot of Time can be saved.