Myanmar Marching Monks
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maybe monks need to have an underground assassination team like the vatican:
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Aiyo.. Monks don't have such things one. Buddhism is the only religion without religious wars and fighting in the world, much less any assasination grps.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:maybe monks need to have an underground assassination team like the vatican: -
haha i know i know.
but it'd be cool la. imagine shaolin monks activate their assassination group.
Codename: 18 Bronzemen.
As elusive as the shadows, silent as the still dark forest, quick as lightning, and with the passion of a raging fire. mysterious as the dark side of the moon.
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hmm....
But Shaolin ppl always say they learn solely for self-defence.... -
haha jihad is self defence wat. hahaha
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How do you know that it's the only religion without religious war and fighting? There could be other.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Aiyo.. Monks don't have such things one. Buddhism is the only religion without religious wars and fighting in the world, much less any assasination grps.
But Buddhism had abused the word of expedient means and degraded many other faith in subtle ways.
As an organised faith, it is not as perfect as you think so. -
No, Jihad is holy war.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:haha jihad is self defence wat. hahaha
But I also wrote before in the Islam forum, http://islam.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=162957Originally posted by An Eternal Now:The true Jihad, is the Jihad against the Self.
http://www.uga.edu/islam/sufismstruggle.html
In this regard, the struggle with one's own nafs has been called the greater struggle or greater "holy war" (al-jihad al-akbar) in contrast to the lesser struggle (al-jihad al-asghar), which is against injustice and oppressors in this world. The concept derives from the popular hadith of the Prophet, in which he said to Muslims returning from a battle, "You have returned from the lesser struggle to the greater struggle." And he was asked, "What is the greater struggle?" He answered, "The struggle against one's self (nafs), which is between the two sides of your body." Needless to say, in Sufism these two struggles are mutually reinforcing and occur simultaneously. In particular, the practice of "engaged surrender" in the "greater" struggle with one's own nafs diminishes certain obstacles in the consciousness of the Sufi, obstacles that--if not stuggled against--will hinder the Sufi's capacity to engage in the "lesser" struggle in their life in the world.
Like the Buddhist saying, the greatest enemy is one's self.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:...the greater Jihad is the inner struggle against the inner enemies, the Seven Deadly Sins ( lust, greed, anger, jealousy, sloth, covetousness & gluttony)... -
Originally posted by yamizi:
I mean historically, it seems to me that Buddhism is the only organised religion that has not engaged in religious wars. I cldnt think of other examples at the moment.
How do you know that it's the [b]only religion without religious war and fighting? There could be other.
But Buddhism had abused the word of expedient means and degraded many other faith in subtle ways.
As an organised faith, it is not as perfect as you think so.[/b]
Of course it is not perfect, never said it was.
update: i think jainism cld be another religion that doesnt have a violent history of engaging in religious fighting. In some ways the pacifist and non-violent teachings are being shared with Buddhism. -
Burma monks shld ask reinforcement from shaolin.Originally posted by An Eternal Now: hmm....
But Shaolin ppl always say they learn solely for self-defence....
those pple are not afraid of bullets
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okok guys, dun fight. my post was a joke la.
more impt is to pray for minimum casualties -
Who says so?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Aiyo.. Monks don't have such things one. Buddhism is the only religion without religious wars and fighting in the world, much less any assasination grps.
Buddhist monks had participated in battles towards the end of the Yuan dynasty in China. The common Chinese folk then were heavily taxed to support the Mongol invasions in Europe and Africa so much that survival became a problem. So in the end, the monks too joined the rebellions and chased away the Mongol tyrants. -
Pls read carefully before commenting.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Who says so?
Buddhist monks had participated in battles towards the end of the Yuan dynasty in China. The common Chinese folk then were heavily taxed to support the Mongol invasions in Europe and Africa so much that survival became a problem. So in the end, the monks too joined the rebellions and chased away the Mongol tyrants.
I am talking about religious fighting and wars, not wars for political purposes.
Of course if you want to talk about that, I think there are also Buddhist rulers who have fought wars before. -
I still think having a special assassination team is cool.
The 18 Bronzemen
The Iscariot Organization: -
At the end of the Yuan dynasty, the sangha in China on the whole committed itself to battle an oppressive government with violence. That was a war against injustice. There was no recourse as doing nothing would leave the common people to fight alone. So we are not talking about Buddhist rulers having wars but whole groups of monks and nuns actively participating in war for the sake of the common people.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Pls read carefully before commenting.
I am talking about religious fighting and wars, not wars for political purposes.
Of course if you want to talk about that, I think there are also Buddhist rulers who have fought wars before. -
Originally posted by yamizi:
Agreed. With any form of religious organisation, the objectives are no longer altruistic. Politics, personal goals, leadership josting, size of membership, money, positions, recognition - all these human failings are so apparent that unless you are blind then you cannot see!
How do you know that it's the [b]only religion without religious war and fighting? There could be other.
But Buddhism had abused the word of expedient means and degraded many other faith in subtle ways.
As an organised faith, it is not as perfect as you think so.[/b]
What I said here is going to attract denial - but that is exactly what it is: refusal to see the truth! -
But of cos, what I am talking about is simply based on facts and history.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Agreed. With any form of religious organisation, the objectives are no longer altruistic. Politics, personal goals, leadership josting, size of membership, money, positions, recognition - all these human failings are so apparent that unless you are blind then you cannot see!
What I said here is going to attract denial - but that is exactly what it is: refusal to see the truth!
