Which organised religious movement doesn't has ego?
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why??? am I expected to defend my faith to my death?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Interesting view from unker Chin Eng of EH forum.
I believe what I believe to be true.... I don't expect anyone else to....
no need to argue till kingdom come to prove who's right or wrong.
you believe, you believe.... you don't believe, you don't believe lor.
at the end of the day, we are all victims of our own choices ---- religious or atheists... and at the end of THE day, we cannot come back to disprove or prove anything. -
Of course not. A workable experiment does not need to be physical experiment. Especially when we are dealing with things like consciousness and memory, which is deeply personal and non-physical, or even spiritual. Brainscans can only detect patterns, but cannot interprete the precise contents of what you are remembering.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:It cannot be proven true nor false by physical experiments, so is it a half-truth? -
when a person cannot accept that other people can hold differing points of view
he is acting egoistically -
Oh yes definitely! This reminded me a true classic Zen story...Originally posted by theSquelch:when a person cannot accept that other people can hold differing points of view
he is acting egoistically
A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's overfull! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "You are like this cup," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup." -
Question is now if the Zen master goes to the professor and keeps spouting that Buddhism is a higher science than physics... I would like to use the same adage to enlighten the Zen master.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Oh yes definitely! This reminded me a true classic Zen story...
A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's overfull! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "You are like this cup," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup." -
No Buddhist master will tell you that Buddhism is higher than physics. Because they are dealing with different matters.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Question is now if the Zen master goes to the professor and keeps spouting that Buddhism is a higher science than physics... I would like to use the same adage to enlighten the Zen master.
However, there are certain things that Buddhist discovers, that are beyond the comprehension of classical physics, which means maybe it will be some time before quantum physics can fully comprehend. -
Nope, more like organised jibbing on our part at AEN and his religion.Originally posted by Chin Eng:why??? am I expected to defend my faith to my death?
I believe what I believe to be true.... I don't expect anyone else to....
no need to argue till kingdom come to prove who's right or wrong.
you believe, you believe.... you don't believe, you don't believe lor.
at the end of the day, we are all victims of our own choices ---- religious or atheists... and at the end of THE day, we cannot come back to disprove or prove anything.
Nevertheless, I would like to state that it isn't intentional and it came through our individual conclusion. -
So how do you verify something beyond all reasonable doubt?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Of course not. A workable experiment does not need to be physical experiment. Especially when we are dealing with things like consciousness and memory, which is deeply personal and non-physical, or even spiritual. Brainscans can only detect patterns, but cannot interprete the precise contents of what you are remembering. -
I couldn't say Buddhism is higher than physic and rather both are dealing things differently but yet does have certain relationships.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
No insults and jibbing allowed, only discussions.
Nope, more like organised jibbing on our part at AEN and his religion.Nevertheless, I would like to state that it isn't intentional and it came through our individual conclusion.
No, through your ignorance and dogmatism. -
Depends on what you are trying to find out. Different things will have different ways of finding out.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:So how do you verify something beyond all reasonable doubt?
To attain enlightenment, or find out other spiritual truths, or past lives, it is through meditation. Meditation is like the telescope of galileo, look into it and see your own mind. -
If you consider times-space mechanics and theory of relativity as classical physics then you are in for a rude shock.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No Buddhist master will tell you that Buddhism is higher than physics. Because they are dealing with different matters.
However, there are certain things that Buddhist discovers, that are beyond the comprehension of classical physics, which means maybe it will be some time before quantum physics can fully comprehend. -
The only way you can practice a religion non-egoistically is to believe what you believe, learn whatever you want to learn and don't make any comments on other people's religion.
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You method will still leave doubts.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Depends on what you are trying to find out. Different things will have different ways of finding out.
To attain enlightenment, or find out other spiritual truths, or past lives, it is through meditation. Meditation is like the telescope of galileo, look into it and see your own mind. -
So what is your intention really? I think ETN and CE are pretty kind with words while making this.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:You method will still leave doubts.
You are just talking about the chicken and egg issue. Seriously, i think you need a life. -
There is no ignorance unless you want to consider yourself. We are stating facts for facts.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No, through your ignorance and dogmatism. -
No it will not leave doubts. What is being remembered through meditation will be more real than real, clearer than you know you had a cup of coffee this morning. You cannot possibly doubt that.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:You method will still leave doubts.
Furthermore, you can trace your memories to facts, such as the boy who remembered his past life's involvement in WW2. -
Some of your posts are based on assumptions such as your previous post.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:There is no ignorance unless you want to consider yourself. We are stating facts for facts. -
Just to make a statement about why metaphysics should never be linked to physics.Originally posted by sLeEpWaLkErInG:So what is your intention really? I think ETN and CE are pretty kind with words while making this.
You are just talking about the chicken and egg issue. Seriously, i think you need a life. -
Wiki is your friend,Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Just to make a statement about why metaphysics should never be linked to physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics -
hah? what question did TGE posed????Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:A question posed by TheGoodEarth:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=280413&page=7
I really wonder is there really any religious movement without ego?
I mean the Judeo/Christian/Islamic religions all have an egoistic Diety. Hinduism have multiple such Dieties.
Buddhism,Jainism and Sikhism all have a self-righteous insistence that the religious views of the workings of the world is right.
So where's the religion without ego? -
hahaha, can spot this one without galileo's telescope. Are you complaining here? I thought you just found the meaning of bigot and you admit you are a bigot. So what's your issue? I think it is your EGO. You have to get this off your chest. Like I replied to your other post: if it makes you happy to think that everyone is also a bigot and TGE is also one, it is OK with me. I want you to be a happy bigot! That's is certainly egoistic "I want" !Originally posted by Chin Eng:the reverse is also true - those without a religion or without a belief in the existence of god also has an ego - the ego of "knowing better" or "smarter"... and that those that embrace religions are more stupid then them..... so go figure.... ++++ those who called others bigots are also bigots themselves. -
Matter of fact: I am a simpleton. That is egoistic?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Self-righteousness doesn't have to be egotistic.
When one speaks from a matter-of-factly way, it doesn't have to be. Only when you make it an identity then it is ego.
For example, it does not take an egotistic man to say that the Earth is round. -
no advertisement please - that is rule # 9Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Interesting view from unker Chin Eng of EH forum. -
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Buddhists do not quote half-truths, but truths that can be tested and realised by everyone.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
It cannot be proven true nor false by physical experiments, so is it a half-truth?
There are no half-truths. There are Four Noble Truth. But if you don't think they are truth or noble, that is fine with me. I suffer nothing.