Which organised religious movement doesn't has ego?
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Well it is possible. Perception is subjective in the end anyway.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Then, a true buddhist may also do evil acts as per perception of others. -
Thank you.Originally posted by uglyguy:ego is human nature, its not fair to compare it to religion.
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But I would like to bring out that while an individual's religious belief is the person's own problem but a whole religious movement's belief is a society's concern.With a society at stake, the religious movement's ego should be parred down. And the whole religious movement at large represents the religion itself. -
I do not have a need for lobotomy myself, but you do seem to be a likely candidate.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Hmmm .... then I wish you Eternal Bliss. Btw, have you lobotomise your brain? -
Please tell me enlightenment is tangible.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:quote:
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
I am very close to it, yet I do not see it...
You need a light?
Unless TheGoodEarth plans on dying early, I suggest he better go do some reading and thinking.
I've been thinking of a plan to get HZ out of CE's pants without dying or reading my eulogy.
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I know that TheGoodEarth is homosexual but he doesn't need to go sticking his head into everyone's anus and presuming that everyone is homosexual like him. -
Pot calling the kettle black. You got ego, that's fine. But any religion or religious movement having ego, that's terrible.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Buddhism have no rights and no claims except to iron out ego in Herzog. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Please tell me enlightenment is tangible.
I know that TheGoodEarth is homosexual but he doesn't need to go sticking his head into everyone's anus and presuming that everyone is homosexual like him.
[b]hahaha, now then you feel my stick in your arse? woh, its a bit too late liao!
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Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:
What stick? I just see a kayu trying to stick his head up everyone's anus and failing.
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Please tell me enlightenment is tangible.
I know that TheGoodEarth is homosexual but he doesn't need to go sticking his head into everyone's anus and presuming that everyone is homosexual like him.
[b]hahaha, now then you feel my stick in your arse? woh, its a bit too late liao!
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No no, you can't see anything. Remember you said that. You can feel but you took so long to feel my stick in your arse.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:What stick? I just see a kayu trying to stick his head up everyone's anus and failing. -
I don't have to see anything but it is common sense that you like to stick your head up people's anus.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:No no, you can't see anything. Remember you said that. You can feel but you took so long to feel my stick in your arse. -
er.. guys, i really like reading your comments but maybe if you stuck to the topic?
or is this your demonstration of how individual's egos can contribute to religious movements having egos?
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Sorry boss, just dealing with a troll.Originally posted by soemt:er.. guys, i really like reading your comments but maybe if you stuck to the topic?
or is this your demonstration of how individual's egos can contribute to religious movements having egos? -
Sorry boss, me also just dealing with a troll.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Sorry boss, just dealing with a troll. -
You are the only troll in sgforums, so please don't rattle off that you are not one as an excuse.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Sorry boss, me also just dealing with a troll. -
hahahaha, but you are the OTHER.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:You are the only troll in sgforums, so please don't rattle off that you are not one as an excuse. -
Singular not plural...Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:hahahaha, but you are the OTHER.
TheGoodEarth is the one and only troll... -
aiyaya, from TheGoodEarth you are the OTHER ONE & ONLY mah!Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Singular not plural...
TheGoodEarth is the one and only troll... -
Like I said 'superior' does not apply and is irrelevant here because they are dealing with different things.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Who you trying to kid? AEN is trying to prove metaphysics is superior to physics. Pratitya-samutpada is always true? How would anyone conduct a physical experiment to prove it?
As for dependent origination, it can be directly realised through practise, and the direct realisation of this truth intuitively is enlightenment.
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Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Sorry boss, me also just dealing with a troll.
Look within... look within...Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:You are the only troll in sgforums, so please don't rattle off that you are not one as an excuse.
Learned Audience, those who train themselves for 'imperturbability' should, in their contact with all types of men, ignore the faults of others. They should be indifferent to others' merit or demerit, good or evil, for such an attitude accords with the 'imperturbability of the Essence of Mind'. Learned Audience, a man unenlightened may be unperturbed physically, but as soon as he opens his mouth he criticizes others and talks about their merits or demerits, ability or weakness, good or evil; thus he deviates from the right course.
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That is a metaphysical belief and such realization is not intuitive in nature and must be formed by indoctrination. Reality does not neccessary coincide with Buddhist theories or vice versa.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Like I said 'superior' does not apply and is irrelevant here because they are dealing with different things.
As for dependent origination, it can be directly realised through practise, and the direct realisation of this truth intuitively is enlightenment.
And again as I said, a true experiment doesn't have to be 'physical experiment'.
As per, if there isn't any physical experiment, then there is negliable accurracy in the theory as the rest of the related theories fail to predict the truth or falsehood of the applicability of Buddhism to real life. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
No, I have said countless times, Enlightenment in Buddhism is INTUITIVE in nature and not in anyway affected by indoctrination.
That is a metaphysical belief and such realization is not intuitive in nature and must be formed by indoctrination. Reality does not neccessary coincide with Buddhist theories or vice versa.
There are people, recorded in the Suttas, who are too stupid to understand any Buddhist teachings. So the Buddha instructed this guy to chant "broom... broom" (can't remember the exact words), but one day he realised Reality and attained Arhatship.
On the other hand, there are lots and lots of people who study Buddhism academically but did not attain any experiential realisations. Nobody has ever attained (Buddhist) enlightenment through academic research.As per, if there isn't any physical experiment, then there is negliable accurracy in the theory as the rest of the related theories fail to predict the truth or falsehood of the applicability of Buddhism to real life.
Just because art failed to predict structures of an atom, that means atoms are not real?
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But the rest of the theories point out there is a possibility of the existence of atoms.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Just because art failed to predict structures of an atom, that means atoms are not real?
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And I think many theories including scientific theories doesn't contradict, and in fact support the teachings of the Buddha as well. In fact many modern findings are already found by Buddha 2500 years ago.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:But the rest of the theories point out there is a possibility of the existence of atoms.
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They contradict a lot, like the existence of Chaos theory.....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:And I think many theories including scientific theories doesn't contradict, and in fact support the teachings of the Buddha as well. In fact many modern findings are already found by Buddha 2500 years ago.
But all these are not very important, what is important is your own practise and realisations. -
That is you do not understand what is Chaos theory. It is directly related to conditioned arising and dependent origination. I also wrote previously about Chaos Theory:Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:They contradict a lot, like the existence of Chaos theory.....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Anyway Chaos Theory is really good. It really corresponds with Buddhism's interdependent co-arising teaching of Emptiness. Regarding this see recent thread, Net of Indra IS Dependent Origination?
Thusness says, Chaos theory breaks determinism, breaks boundary, yet does not deny order... a higher order that is too complex to be determined. Initial cause does not result into a predetermined action. From a spiritual perspective,
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It confirms the order there is by having no order.Originally posted by An Eternal Now: