Kamma for mentally illed people
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Does mentally illed people who does things irrationally suffer from the effects of kamma?
Kleptomaniac likes to steal due to their pychotic condition, do they also suffer from kamma? -
this sort of question really hard to answer .
I might be wrong .
but that's what i think .
I think since they r metally ill , maybe it's due to past bad karma coming into fruition .
but i think it's still wrong as in even u have uncontrolled urge to steal or some like to burnt things like pryomaniac .
maybe diminished karma like diminished legal responsibility ?
in eyes of law , it's still wrong .
unless , they do not have even any sense of control over their state of mind , the law will not punish them . -
Do people born with disabilities are the effects of negative karma?
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maybe .....Originally posted by euc:Do people born with disabilities are the effects of negative karma?
like long short leg or any physical disabilities .
I know a bookie who was never caught for 30 years , must be his positive karma has nt been exhausted ...... -
Originally posted by goldevil:
Maybe he donated part of the money to charity..
maybe .....
like long short leg or any physical disabilities .
I know a bookie who was never caught for [b]30 years , must be his positive karma has nt been exhausted ......
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for donation in fear for retribution is nt really a gd deed .Originally posted by sLeEpWaLkErInG:Maybe he donated part of the money to charity..
cos there is an intention or agenda to it . -
Yes, there is the karmic factor for mental illnesses, but the karmic cause can differ from case to case.Originally posted by marcteng:Does mentally illed people who does things irrationally suffer from the effects of kamma?
Kleptomaniac likes to steal due to their pychotic condition, do they also suffer from kamma? -
Or there may be no cause at all.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes, there is the karmic factor for mental illnesses, but the karmic cause can differ from case to case. -
Whatever effects will have its cause. All arisings are conditioned, and all karmic consequences are the result of karmic causes and conditionings brought from the past.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Or there may be no cause at all. -
There may or may not be conditions arising for events such as this to happen.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Whatever effects will have its cause. All arisings are conditioned, and all karmic consequences are the result of karmic causes and conditionings brought from the past. -
No, everything that arise, arise due to the aggregation of causes and conditions.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:There may or may not be conditions arising for events such as this to happen.
Nothing happens by chance or by fate. These are false views of the externalists, knowers of reality know this to be false. -
I do believe that there's a chance element, just like falling ill due to a virus.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No, everything that arise, arise due to the aggregation of causes and conditions.
Nothing happens by chance or by fate. These are false views of the externalists, knowers of reality know this to be false. -
I doubt you know such people know reality as per.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No, everything that arise, arise due to the aggregation of causes and conditions.
Nothing happens by chance or by fate. These are false views of the externalists, knowers of reality know this to be false. -
Huh?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I doubt you know such people know reality as per. -
Falling ill due to a virus is also due to causes and conditions.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I do believe that there's a chance element, just like falling ill due to a virus.
It is not random, nor is it the act of God, nor is it fate.
Just because you didn't know the causes and conditions for falling ill doesn't mean there is no causes and conditions or that it is random. -
Not fate, as I said it's completely random. Virus happens to be in huge quatity in that area, your immune system is weak or unprepared, you get infected.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Falling ill due to a virus is also due to causes and conditions.
It is not random, nor is it the act of God, nor is it fate.
Just because you didn't know the causes and conditions for falling ill doesn't mean there is no causes and conditions or that it is random. -
Even virus outbreaks have many many conditions, you cannot possibly say there are no conditions!!Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Not fate, as I said it's completely random. Virus happens to be in huge quatity in that area, your immune system is weak or unprepared, you get infected.
The right conditions for outbreaks are perhaps bad hygiene, right weather conditions, non-immunity, etc etc... and of course karma does play a factor. There are countless causes and conditions that results in a virus outbreak, you cannot ever say that it happens by chance!
Everything is cause and conditions, there is nothing by chance at all! Only those who doesn't understand cause and conditions would say that things happen by chance.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma1.htmThe laws of nature, although uniformly based on the principle of causal dependence, can nevertheless be sorted into different modes of relationship. The Buddhist commentaries describe five categories of natural law, or niyama. They are:
1. Utuniyama: the natural law pertaining to physical objects and changes in the natural environment, such as the weather; the way flowers bloom in the day and fold up at night; the way soil, water and nutrients help a tree to grow; and the way things disintegrate and decompose. This perspective emphasizes the changes brought about by heat or temperature.
2. Bijaniyama: the natural law pertaining to heredity, which is best described in the adage, "as the seed, so the fruit."
3. Cittaniyama: the natural law pertaining to the workings of the mind, the process of cognition of sense objects and the mental reactions to them.
4. Kammaniyama: the natural law pertaining to human behavior, the process of the generation of action and its results. In essence, this is summarized in the words, "good deeds bring good results, bad deeds bring bad results."
5. Dhammaniyama: the natural law governing the relationship and interdependence of all things: the way all things arise, exist and then cease. All conditions are subject to change, are in a state of affliction and are not self: this is the Norm.
The first four niyama are contained within, or based on, the fifth one, Dhammaniyama, the Law of Dhamma, or the Law of Nature. It may be questioned why Dhammaniyama, being as it were the totality, is also included within the subdivisions. This is because this fourfold categorization does not cover the entire extent of Dhammaniyama. -
I have seen medical personnel giving aid to ebola patients without protective devices, why didn't they die? Everything is random in effect.Originally posted by An Eternal Now: -
Because the causes and conditions aren't there for the medical personnel to kena the illness. Maybe the virus hasn't entered his lungs yet, I don't know, or the medical personnel are more immune. And also the medical personnel may not have the karma to get infected? There are many causes and conditions.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I have seen medical personnel giving aid to ebola patients without protective devices, why didn't they die? Everything is random in effect.
Even seemingly random effects are conditioned arising -- nothing arises independently and not conditioned. Everything is conditioned. -
The cause and conditions were there for infection to occur...So as I said before, such things are random by nature.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Because the causes and conditions aren't there for the medical personnel to kena the illness. Maybe the virus hasn't entered his lungs yet, I don't know, or the medical personnel are more immune. And also the medical personnel may not have the karma to get infected? There are many causes and conditions.
Even seemingly random effects are conditioned arising -- nothing arises independently and not conditioned. Everything is conditioned. -
Cause and conditions means that things are not by chance!Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:The cause and conditions were there for infection to occur...So as I said before, such things are random by nature.
I do not know what you mean by 'random'. If you mean no perceivable order, then that is possible. Cause and conditions does not need to have any perceivable orders, though it does not deny order. -
I am talking about not necessary having a cause and effect.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Cause and conditions means that things are not by chance!
I do not know what you mean by 'random'. If you mean no perceivable order, then that is possible. Cause and conditions does not need to have any perceivable orders, though it does not deny order. -
Let's continue discussions at your own topic Which organised religious movement doesn't has ego? since it is exactly the same.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I am talking about not necessary having a cause and effect.
And leave this topic solely for the topic of marcteng. -
Maybe we might delve more into mental illness on this thread.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Let's continue discussions at your own topic Which organised religious movement doesn't has ego? since it is exactly the same.
And leave this topic solely for the topic of marcteng.
Mental illness usually involves mood afflictions, anxiety disorders,personality disorder, psychosis or neurosis or even a combination which is highly unusual.
Each of the illness should be viewed on a case by case basis in order to understand the psyche behind the issue/s. -
As i am a mental patient who have interact with mentally illed people a lot and who have been to imh before,i found mentally illed people are poorer than other people.They are more likely to talk about religions than other people.
