LORD BUHDDA IS TOOPID AND FOOLISsT
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Totally agree. I'm a Buddhist, and I don't believe in 'testing' out people from other religions so that I can point out their 'flaws'.Originally posted by mahawarrior:I can see a lot of big ego here. Why should other people's faults and faith something for us to criticise?
...but of course, in pointing out other people's mistake, I'm having a big ego here too, lol.
I can too go to other religious forums and say their religion is this and that. And when their expected reactions come in, I can also accuse them of not being a calm person, not being a true follower of their own religion.
But what's the point in that? How many of us are perfect? How many Buddhist are perfect Buddhist?
I think that is one question we all know the answer to...
I may not be a Buddhist but I certainly don't believe in 'testing' out people so that we can point out their 'flaws'. -
there are all kinds in this world... live with it... concentrate on your own development...
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I must agree with TS as I understand any religion is stupid and foolish. There is no tangibility in any religion and everything is based on faith. What happens to a religion when there is no faith?
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walao, clone thread also so many replies
close la
i dunno if he is mocking buddhism, or all religions -
i simply saw no purpose in retaliating.
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THAT is not the point of the TS.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I must agree with TS as I understand any religion is stupid and foolish. There is no tangibility in any religion and everything is based on faith. What happens to a religion when there is no faith?
The TS is just trying to test water.
Furthermore, as I have said so many countless times, Spirituality is a Science that you can experience, see and verify it for yourself, and have provided you with lots of resources and explanations. (i.e Spirituality and the 3 Strands of Deep Science and Buddhism and Science) Apparently it just cannot get into your head because you are sooo dogmatic and narrow minded.
I am not going to repeat this time as it has proved pointless to repeat to a brain so filled up with junk that it can no longer accomodate any more good things. Unless you empty that junk, I'll ignore you from now on and simply delete your posts, because there is nothing to discuss other than your senseless and unconstructive trolling that has no value to the conversation at all and simply spoils the thread.
This is also to prevent HZ from creating any more unnecesary unwholesome karma that obstructs him from the path and forming any unnecessary karma that creates needless sufferings. And as Thusness said, "Giving in incessantly is not a sign of tolerance, rather, a sign of immaturity. There is always rooms for differing views but not the way he presented it. And that is what moderator is for."
Ok, any more nonsense from HZ, his post will definitely be removed.Once a man went to a Zen Master and asked him to teach what he doesn't know. Whenever the master begins to speak on a subject, he would immediately say, Oh! I know it already. The Master kept quite for a while. The man became impatient and pestered him. The Master asked him to fetch a cup filled with water and a jug full of water. He placed it before the man and started pouring water in the cup. The cup started overflowing. Seeing this, the exasperated man shouted at the Master saying, don't you see when the cup if full it can't take anymore? The Master gave a smile and said, that's your mind. Go. Empty it and come back. Only then it can take new thing.
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But as Ajahn Brahmvaso quoted "Buddhism has no sacred cows." However, it seems that Buddhism does not fit the requirements of a universal theory that applies to one and all. Can it be applied to the insane and the mad? Hence Buddhism cannot supplant science as they are in 2 different fields, one deals with facts and the other with faith.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
AEN likes to argue that the universe is a closed system while for a fact, that the universe is not a closed system and therefore chaos is always increasing. In fact, Man has to work very hard against the chaos created to define order but there are limits. -
Buddhism can be applied to every single being -- IF you are able to practice it. Animals can't understand dharma, so they can't practice. Insane people also may not be able to practice dharma, because their mental capacity prevents them from doing so.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:But as Ajahn Brahmvaso quoted "Buddhism has no sacred cows." However, it seems that Buddhism does not fit the requirements of a universal theory that applies to one and all. Can it be applied to the insane and the mad? Hence Buddhism cannot supplant science as they are in 2 different fields, one deals with facts and the other with faith.
AEN likes to argue that the universe is a closed system while for a fact, that the universe is not a closed system and therefore chaos is always increasing. In fact, Man has to work very hard against the chaos created to define order but there are limits.
BUT it does not mean that Buddhism is not universal. It is universal in the sense that it shows the only way to Enlightenment, but whether you are going to do it, or whether you can do it (i.e if you're an animal or a human) is another matter.
Secondly, I am fully supportive of the chaos theory, but as I said so many times, chaos theory does not deny order but denies a 'fixed pattern order'. -
If a philosophy cannot be applied to every human being, it just remains a philosophy.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Buddhism can be applied to every single being -- IF you are able to practice it. Animals can't understand dharma, so they can't practice. Insane people also may not be able to practice dharma, because their mental capacity prevents them from doing so.
BUT it does not mean that Buddhism is not universal. It is universal in the sense that it shows the only way to Enlightenment, but whether you are going to do it, or whether you can do it (i.e if you're an animal or a human) is another matter.
Secondly, I am fully supportive of the chaos theory, but as I said so many times, chaos theory does not deny order but denies a 'fixed pattern order'.
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It applies to all humans.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:If a philosophy cannot be applied to every human being, it just remains a philosophy.
Please define your idea of "fixed pattern order". Thank you.
Fixed pattern order means thinking cause and effect in terms of entities. -
Even mad humans?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It applies to all humans.
Fixed pattern order means thinking cause and effect in terms of entities.
Isn't Fixed pattern order self-limiting? -
Not good enough. Fixed pattern order means thinking that events must happened within a fixed perceivable pattern. Then our mind grasp on expectations and conform our experience with that expectation instead of experiencing it in its full dynamics, creating separation and boundaries. 'Order' and the truth of Dependent Origination is not mean to be like that.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It applies to all humans.
Fixed pattern order means thinking cause and effect in terms of entities.
Thusness: Chaos theory breaks determinism, breaks boundary, yet does not deny order... a higher order that is too complex to be determined. Initial cause does not result into a predetermined action. From a spiritual perspective,
the rigidity of ‘I’ as a fixed pattern order must be broken down for life to be experienced in its full dynamics as wondrous manifestation.
And yes, of course, a fixed pattern order is so self limiting, and 'world limiting'. I'm so glad you realised that. -
Buddhism truths applies to all humans even mad humans, but it doesn't mean they may understand it. Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean that it isn't true.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Even mad humans?
Isn't Fixed pattern order self-limiting?
Just because you are blind doesn't mean that the microscope doesn't apply to everyone in order to find out about the microorganism -- but it is just too unfortunate you are blind and cannot look into it.
Similarly, if one is blind to the truths it doesn't mean the dharma doesn't apply to him, it just means he is blind and cannot look into his mind. -
sry... side track a little...Originally posted by kenn3th:Please Show Respect To The Religion And Beliefs Of The Buddists Who Discuss issues related to buddism here.
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and under singapore's computer misuse act, you can and will be jailed if you post statements that critise one's religion and sgforums reserve a right to sue you for slander.
LOL! Nice One kenn3th!
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Even though i have read some things on buhddism, i still realise that it is a very hard to make out even though u might have understand so.
The blood might not be as red as you think it is,
Only being there and done it can one understand it.
When one say someone is foolish, he or she is sunk into a bottomless pit and have lost wisdom and mindfullness at that moment.
I can still smoke my way through with a concept of is the water half-filled or water not half-filled strategy. What is your definition of priceless, is it worthless or money cant buy thing.... -
Originally posted by cheskiz:
u cannot judge the teachings of buddhism when u see the practitioners ard u not abt to fully follow wat they learnt.
[b]Lord buhdda is nothing but a normal person, his deeds and achievement are nothing measurable,
Lord buhdda is empty and originate from a human form, his achievements are nothing measurable because it is infinite, far too great to be measured and experience cannot be gauge, true?
Well, Lord buhdda is toopid and foolist, the right words for lord buhdda is stupid and foolish, its what the content that matter, i will give u a nicely covered book with hilarious content.
I said about his followers, yea?
Apparently, i am half impressed by some who here who indeed speaks of great wisdom whereas some who jsut preach the teaching of buhdda. I am personally in awe of the teaching of buhdda but in my recent stay here. I am very curious, i seen few religion threads, islam to christian, many are jsut an opposite of what their religion preaches.
I have a relative who practise buhdda teaching, meditate, go to temple, talk to his master, But i am pratically in shock that he is just someone who didnt have the right temper and attitude, wish you all can see what i am trying to say.
A chinese saying, real gold will withstand the heat. How much faith do you have in buhdda. Why is there such a strong reaction? Did the teaching buhdda indicate so? i beg to differ, why not go to read up some of the article An Enternal Now have put up.
I have found the answer i seek, to pick up buhddism for the sake of magic or pick up buhddism for sake of cultivating and alternatives. I been to quite afew forums and most are aggressive, Buhddism:wisdom bliss is a forum so far the friendliest of my walks of life, so i have decided to put a test to it.
Is those who practise buhdda teaching really practising buhddas teaching or are they in the pretext of it, initially, i have no faith in much religion except buhdda because his teaching speak the most sense but my question arrive to the point of his followers. How much impact can it have on the devotee.
My conclusion have finally urge me to pick buhddism as a religion even though its teaching do not have much influence on all but i can see it on some, which is a good thing.[/b]
we are humans, all of us carry with us our past habits and even present life habits started since we're born.
and unless that particular practitioner was already having great wisdom, the usual case is that it will take yrs and yrs, maybe even several lifetimes(if conditions are he's still practicing buddhism for those lifetimes) for the habits to slowly eradicate.
it has nothing to do with the teachings. it is the human nature that u see. i hope u do not confuse one with the other. learning and not able to follow is not the fault/flaw of the teachings. it is dependant on the individual.
may i noe wat sort of answers you are looking for and which aspects(branch of school) of buddhism u would wish to pick up?
it would help if u tell us, then we can give u some suggestions if u dun mind.
cheers.
btw, i hope u will try to cease the actions of testing faith on individuals, regardless of religion. becoz it shows a certain disrespect on the religion as well as the individuals coming from u.
p/s : pardon me as i picked up buddhism using mandarin as a medium, so i cannot explain a lot of terms well in english -
may i noe wat's the sutra/articles/information that u have read?Originally posted by cheskiz:Even though i have read some things on buhddism, i still realise that it is a very hard to make out even though u might have understand so.
The blood might not be as red as you think it is,
Only being there and done it can one understand it.
When one say someone is foolish, he or she is sunk into a bottomless pit and have lost wisdom and mindfullness at that moment.
I can still smoke my way through with a concept of is the water half-filled or water not half-filled strategy. What is your definition of priceless, is it worthless or money cant buy thing....
becoz the most common sutra, which is the heart sutra, is a summarized sutra of the diamond sutra, of which can be considered as a summarized sutra of the maha prajna(i'm only familiar of chinese names) sutra, which is 600 scripts of text.
and the heart sutra is, highly profound. u cannot just understand by the literal meaning of the words. even if u understand the meaning, u will not be able to realise the way(understanding and realising is very different).
perhaps u would like to start with something not as profound? seriously when i started reading and reciting the heart sutra at 17 yr old, i have no idea wat it means.
until ard 5-6 yrs of exploring in buddhism, finally practising under my master for 2-3 yrs, i can more or less understand about half of wat the heart sutra is implying. -
some people who felt the effects of karma in the present, do not mean they did bad before in this life, they may have done wrong in previous lives( if you believe), and karma only catch up with them this life. what you see now is the effect of what you did. and what you do will indirectly cause effect in your future. it may not happen in this life too.Originally posted by cheskiz:Guess yer too engross with karma.
People use magic in the name of some god to curse people,
Who receive the karma?
Animals see humans as cruelty and humans see animals as beastly and cruel.
So how is karma going to judge?
whatever you do, you will have confidence that you will not suffer bad if you do nothing bad to yourself and others. its like saving money in the future. if you do come across unhappiness, tell yourself that you are just getting rid of the bad karma you may had accumulate in the past unknowingly. after overcoming, it will be good.
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buddism is a teaching not a religion. so we don't follow blindly, instead, we read and understand the knowledge and hence we apply it in our everyday life.
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yes, it is a teaching, not religion. i agree with most of the teachings and follow, not blindly, but becos it is my natural reaction. if you follow your heart and it goes in line with the teachings, then even if you are not a buddhist, it really doesnt matter.
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Hi.. you're in True Buddha School right? This school is not recognised in our forum as well as in mainstream Buddhism. For more information, see Schools/Traditions/Sects NOT Recognised In Our ForumOriginally posted by vegitto:may i noe wat's the sutra/articles/information that u have read?
becoz the most common sutra, which is the heart sutra, is a summarized sutra of the diamond sutra, of which can be considered as a summarized sutra of the maha prajna(i'm only familiar of chinese names) sutra, which is 600 scripts of text.
and the heart sutra is, highly profound. u cannot just understand by the literal meaning of the words. even if u understand the meaning, u will not be able to realise the way(understanding and realising is very different).
perhaps u would like to start with something not as profound? seriously when i started reading and reciting the heart sutra at 17 yr old, i have no idea wat it means.
until ard 5-6 yrs of exploring in buddhism, finally practising under my master for 2-3 yrs, i can more or less understand about half of wat the heart sutra is implying.
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http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=52411 (E-sangha topic, "who is this "PADMAKUMARA" OR Sheng-Yen Lu, I HEARD THAT HE IS FAKE MONK IZIT TRUE?" ) -- contains a very long essay by global moderator Henry on the school.
http://www.shcstory.com/
http://www.buddhismaustralia.org/cults.htm
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TS is an ASS
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Stop! Generalization is percieved on your posting. How can you be sure that Dharma can be applied to everyone and anyone? Next, your analogy on being blind is being unable to use a microscope is politically incorrect and technologically inaccurate.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Buddhism truths applies to all humans even mad humans, but it doesn't mean they may understand it. Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean that it isn't true.
Just because you are blind doesn't mean that the microscope doesn't apply to everyone in order to find out about the microorganism -- but it is just too unfortunate you are blind and cannot look into it.
Similarly, if one is blind to the truths it doesn't mean the dharma doesn't apply to him, it just means he is blind and cannot look into his mind.