Burning question on buddhism to be answered ?
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Originally posted by jacqn:
Hello Jacqn, not sure if you are a regular visitor/ participant to BWB, you may not be aware that HZ has taken upon himself to troll this forum with his nonsensical/ irrelevant /rude remarks. Comments like that from him are actually so common that most people here don't bother responding. Unfortunately AEN being the forum moderator, does not have this privilege
[quote]Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
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Not really, I am showing you Zen.
People are asking you properly, if you want to answer then answer properly.[/quote
it is not very zen of you to point out others mistakes and laugh out loud. people are trying to get answers here, its not polite to jump to conclusion saying there is no wisdom. i hope to get some respect for the others, if you can spare. thank you[/b] -
Nonsensical trolling removed. - AEN
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Maybe I should consider deleting all his ridiculous trolling.Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Hello Jacqn, not sure if you are a regular visitor/ participant to BWB, you may not be aware that HZ has taken upon himself to troll this forum with his nonsensical/ irrelevant /rude remarks. Comments like that from him are actually so common that most people here don't bother responding. Unfortunately AEN being the forum moderator, does not have this privilege -
hi beyond Religion, thanks for the comment. i am aware of him. notorious. i replied cos i could not stand the way he wrote. After i submitted my comment, i realised i quite senseless to reply at all..
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i think you should. quite a waste of time to see his post. makes himself look silly.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Maybe I should consider deleting all his ridiculous trolling. -
AEN, if you can't take the truth, what bother to study Buddhism?
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I have the priviledge to delete all his 'nonsensical/ irrelevant /rude remarks'.Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Hello Jacqn, not sure if you are a regular visitor/ participant to BWB, you may not be aware that HZ has taken upon himself to troll this forum with his nonsensical/ irrelevant /rude remarks. Comments like that from him are actually so common that most people here don't bother responding. Unfortunately AEN being the forum moderator, does not have this privilege -
Okay okay, let's stop focusing on unimportant stuff.
My question: what's 'emptiness'?
I remembered my teacher once said this (a long time ago, so I can't remember the exact words):
Imagine your hand. Now, if one finger is missing, is it still a hand? If two fingers are missing, is it still a hand? If all five fingers are missing, is it still a hand? If all fingers plus a-tenth of your palm are missing, is it still a hand? If all bla bla bla bla... If all fingers plus nine-tenth of your palm are missing, is it still a hand?
And somehow, she was able to link it to the statement that our hand is therefore empty of inherent nature (same goes for every other things)
But I still don't understand.
Wikipedia mentions that because things are never wholly self-sufficient, it is empty of an absolute identity. How so? -
This question should be asked for you.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:AEN, if you can't take the truth, what bother to study Buddhism?
I am accepting to truths, while you are narrow minded and dogmatic. -
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Any further nonsense by HZ will be deleted without any notice from now on. I do not want a serious topic be changed due to some trolls.
Emptiness means dependent origination, dependent arising, conditioned arising. And the nature of dependent arising, conditioned arising, dependent origination, is Emptiness.Originally posted by annoy-you-must:Okay okay, let's stop focusing on unimportant stuff.
My question: what's 'emptiness'?
I remembered my teacher once said this (a long time ago, so I can't remember the exact words):
Imagine your hand. Now, if one finger is missing, is it still a hand? If two fingers are missing, is it still a hand? If all five fingers are missing, is it still a hand? If all fingers plus a-tenth of your palm are missing, is it still a hand? If all bla bla bla bla... If all fingers plus nine-tenth of your palm are missing, is it still a hand?
And somehow, she was able to link it to the statement that our hand is therefore empty of inherent nature (same goes for every other things)
But I still don't understand.
Wikipedia mentions that because things are never wholly self-sufficient, it is empty of an absolute identity. How so?
This means that nothing has its own independent nature, independent of conditions. Every arising is relative to every condition, and without condition, it cannot be.
Therefore everything is empty of inherent existence.
This is a bad analogy that I just came up with with a moment's thought, just my simple attempt to explain it... You may think that the action and figures of the movie in the cinema is very real, you are obsessed in the development of the story, as if the actions and people in it are really existing. Then suddenly there is a power failure, immediately everything turns black.
Why? Because the appearances of the movie on the screen has no inherent existence. It is merely an appearance -- and when there is no condition, say this time the condition is Electricity, then the appearance subsides.
So there is no independent nature within appearances separate from conditions. The entire world is just that -- dream-like appearances, dependent arising, inseparable from Conditions. Yet it is a complete luminous expression of our Buddha Nature, an expression of our Pristine Awareness.
Our Buddha Nature (luminosity-emptiness inseparable) cannot be separated from Conditions, even though its essence is Unconditioned. Just like Emptiness cannot be seen apart from Dependent Arising -- Dependent Arising means Emptiness, vice versa. They are not-two. -
Do contemplate on the Principle of Conditionality as taught by Buddha:
When there is this, that is.
With the arising of this, that arises.
When this is not, neither is that.
With the cessation of this, that ceases.
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Also see the new thread I just created recently: All Form is Non-form (good article on what is Emptiness) -
Oh ya btw just interested which buddhist organisation you go to?Originally posted by annoy-you-must: -
None.
Btw I'm Mahawarrior, if you still remember that name. -
How is it that because things and phenomenon can never exist on their own without the aid of external factors, they lack an inherent existence?
What is an inherent existence?
Let's say a tree. It has to depend on soil, nutrients, water, sunlight and many other things to exist. Without that, it does not exist. But yet, when all these things are present, the tree do exist. It's standing there right in front of our eyes.
It's only when the nutrients, water and sunlight are removed do the tree cease to exist. But nevertheless, the tree had once existed.
Is impermanence the same as, or related to, emptiness? -
Originally posted by annoy-you-must:
all this cycle of impermanence are devoid of a PERMANENT nature
How is it that because things and phenomenon can never exist on their own without the aid of external factors, they lack an inherent existence?
[b]What is an inherent existence?
Let's say a tree. It has to depend on soil, nutrients, water, sunlight and many other things to exist. Without that, it does not exist. But yet, when all these things are present, the tree do exist. It's standing there right in front of our eyes.
It's only when the nutrients, water and sunlight are removed do the tree cease to exist. But nevertheless, the tree had once existed.
Is impermanence the same as, or related to, emptiness?[/b]
its to a higher extent , emptiness as IMPERMANENCE will also stop one day
by realising the emptiness -
annoy-u-must ,the world we live in is a virtual existence .
Its just like when Morphius show Neo that the truth that this world is an illusion in Matrix -
Wikipedia explanation is wrong .Originally posted by annoy-you-must:Okay okay, let's stop focusing on unimportant stuff.
My question: what's 'emptiness'?
I remembered my teacher once said this (a long time ago, so I can't remember the exact words):
Imagine your hand. Now, if one finger is missing, is it still a hand? If two fingers are missing, is it still a hand? If all five fingers are missing, is it still a hand? If all fingers plus a-tenth of your palm are missing, is it still a hand? If all bla bla bla bla... If all fingers plus nine-tenth of your palm are missing, is it still a hand?
And somehow, she was able to link it to the statement that our hand is therefore empty of inherent nature (same goes for every other things)
But I still don't understand.
Wikipedia mentions that because things are never wholly self-sufficient, it is empty of an absolute identity. How so?
i only take wikipedia for factual
the spiritual part of wikipedia is lacking ...... -
Who's the real dogmatic one? I got as much justifiable proofs and logic as you. Rebirth seems to be a cultural theory as in culture only India has such a strong rebirth influence.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:This question should be asked for you.
I am accepting to truths, while you are narrow minded and dogmatic. -
Nonsensical trolling and off topic messages removed. - AEN
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Nope. Rebirth is everywhere, even in U.S. and among westerners there's a lot a lot of such cases. And they are Christians.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Who's the real dogmatic one? I got as much justifiable proofs and logic as you. Rebirth seems to be a cultural theory as in culture only India has such a strong rebirth influence.
an example, The Boy Who Lived Before -
I see. Yes I remember youOriginally posted by annoy-you-must:None.
Btw I'm Mahawarrior, if you still remember that name.
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If so, everyone would have some part of their past lives with them but some people who had be hypnotised to trace their past lives have nothing on them which means they do not have a past.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Nope. Rebirth is everywhere, even in U.S. and among westerners there's a lot a lot of such cases. And they are Christians.
an example, The Boy Who Lived Before -
Yes, EVERYONE can access their past lives. It depends on how experienced is the hynotist, and a whole list of other factors whether that can be successful. Also sometimes, one session is not enough, but a few sessions before it becomes successful.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:If so, everyone would have some part of their past lives with them but some people who had be hypnotised to trace their past lives have nothing on them which means they do not have a past.
Anyway I wouldn't recommend that method, but Meditation as it is the most proven and effective method -- but it requires discipline and real practice for a period of time.
Anyway to remember past life shouldn't even be a goal in Buddhism to begin with, but merely a side effect of our real practice. If one meditates only to remember past lives, then he has unfortunately missed what Buddhism has to offer.
update: I should also quickly note that Practice and the 8 fold path in Buddhism is NOT confined to sitting meditation alone but is an entire way of life. Meditation should be 'done' constantly moment to moment, whether in standing, sitting, sleeping and being silent. -
Not everyone can meditate without guidance and training. With a hypnotist to guide you, it will be faster than trying to master meditation by oneself. However, as I said, not everyone has a past life.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes, EVERYONE can access their past lives. It depends on how experienced is the hynotist, and a whole list of other factors whether that can be successful. Also sometimes, one session is not enough, but a few sessions before it becomes successful.
Anyway I wouldn't recommend that method, but Meditation as it is the most proven and effective method -- but it requires discipline and real practice for a period of time.
Anyway to remember past life shouldn't even be a goal in Buddhism to begin with, but merely a side effect of our real practice. If one meditates only to remember past lives, then he has unfortunately missed what Buddhism has to offer.
update: I should also quickly note that Practice and the 8 fold path in Buddhism is NOT confined to sitting meditation alone but is an entire way of life. Meditation should be 'done' constantly moment to moment, whether in standing, sitting, sleeping and being silent.
But having a past life can prove to oneself the accuracy of Buddhist concepts. So if you ever get to the point knowing your own past, you know certain Buddhist concepts are true beyond doubt.