Intention and Effect

• syncopation_music

  5 Dec 07, 05:44

  What alot of people tends to argue over the years is the intention concept
  
  When the intention is good , why bad things ?
  
  When the intention is bad ,how come smooth thing in the first place
  
  its still bring to this point of Karma on certain (heaviest) and uncertain(lighter)
  
  Heaviest karma ripen first and immediate fruition while lighter karma might not even take place now , but in the far far away future
  
  The heaviest karma for bad deeds is Causing Buddha to bleed , Damage to the sangha harmony , matricide ,patricide and killing of arhats
  
  Like in Tippet ,undebatably he ended World War , bringing a stop to killings of more people in the world due to World War ,but I dun think he have not seen the "black deadly mushroom " when he return to USA .though US media made it so scantily emphasized in their news .this is still a thing done .
  
  From my viewpoint ,its very hard to see what Tippet future birth is like ,becos I dun live his life from infant till the time he drop A bomb
  
  Effect ...maybe anyone can shed some light on this part ?
  
  Again ,comes to eating meat or non-meat .The issue is not on jacking up the supply chain or what ,but what is the intention and what is the source of the meat [alive and killed before sold , or already killed offered as a lump of meat]
  
  I dun regard that as grey area , becos intention plays a chief role in all this
  
  
• Herzog_Zwei

  7 Dec 07, 18:38

  Originally posted by syncopation_music:

  What alot of people tends to argue over the years is the intention concept
  
  When the intention is good , why bad things ?
  
  When the intention is bad ,how come smooth thing in the first place
  
  its still bring to this point of Karma on certain (heaviest) and uncertain(lighter)
  
  Heaviest karma ripen first and immediate fruition while lighter karma might not even take place now , but in the far far away future
  
  The heaviest karma for bad deeds is Causing Buddha to bleed , Damage to the sangha harmony , matricide ,patricide and killing of arhats
  
  Like in Tippet ,undebatably he ended World War , bringing a stop to killings of more people in the world due to World War ,but I dun think he have not seen the "black deadly mushroom " when he return to USA .though US media made it so scantily emphasized in their news .this is still a thing done .
  
  From my viewpoint ,its very hard to see what Tippet future birth is like ,becos I dun live his life from infant till the time he drop A bomb
  
  Effect ...maybe anyone can shed some light on this part ?
  
  Again ,comes to eating meat or non-meat .The issue is not on jacking up the supply chain or what ,but what is the intention and what is the source of the meat [alive and killed before sold , or already killed offered as a lump of meat]
  
  I dun regard that as grey area , becos intention plays a chief role in all this
  
  

  Can continue in thread on grey areas of karma or not? AEN, kindly close this thread. Thank you.
• Spnw07

  7 Dec 07, 21:51

  Originally posted by syncopation_music:

  What alot of people tends to argue over the years is the intention concept
  
  When the intention is good , why bad things ?
  
  When the intention is bad ,how come smooth thing in the first place
  
  its still bring to this point of Karma on certain (heaviest) and uncertain(lighter)
  
  Heaviest karma ripen first and immediate fruition while lighter karma might not even take place now , but in the far far away future
  
  The heaviest karma for bad deeds is Causing Buddha to bleed , Damage to the sangha harmony , matricide ,patricide and killing of arhats
  
  Like in Tippet ,undebatably he ended World War , bringing a stop to killings of more people in the world due to World War ,but I dun think he have not seen the "black deadly mushroom " when he return to USA .though US media made it so scantily emphasized in their news .this is still a thing done .
  
  From my viewpoint ,its very hard to see what Tippet future birth is like ,becos I dun live his life from infant till the time he drop A bomb
  
  Effect ...maybe anyone can shed some light on this part ?
  
  Again ,comes to eating meat or non-meat .The issue is not on jacking up the supply chain or what ,but what is the intention and what is the source of the meat [alive and killed before sold , or already killed offered as a lump of meat]
  
  I dun regard that as grey area , becos intention plays a chief role in all this
  

  . Good topic, have wanted to start a topic like that too. Maybe when I have gathered enough questions about it.
  
  The most negative karma is not just about hurting Buddhas. The most negative karma one can commit, if I recall correctly in Wu2 Liang4 Shou4 Jing1 is actually slandering the Buddha's teachings (like saying Cause and Effect is bulls*** or baseless, Buddhas don't exist, Triple Gems are no refuge for us, etc).
  
  Even an evil smile or wicked look at those praying to Earth-Store Bodhisattva would land you with a karma suffering so heavy that even after 1000 Buddhas are born and have gone into Parinibbana, you would still be in hell suffering day and night. For more details, please refer to the Sutra of Earth-Store Bodhisattva's Fundamental Vows.
  
• sinweiy

  8 Dec 07, 16:38

  to me, i think it's more like awareness than intention. unintented is like unknowing.
  
  sometimes, if people are originally ignorance/unaware, they might be guided by the other people, peers and surrounding media, and hence their intention are as if okay to them. eat only mah. people are all doing it. right or not, they wouldn't know.
  unknowingly eat already, next life come back, cycle happen again.
  there's still a fine-line between neutral action and non-intention, due to the root of ignorance, imh.
  it's not easy to stay aware all the time though.
  
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  One instance of intention is one instance of kamma. When there is kamma there is immediate result. Even just one little thought, although not particularly important, is nevertheless not void of consequence. It will be at the least a "tiny speck" of kamma, added to the stream of conditions which shape mental activity. With repeated practice, through repeated proliferation by the mind, or through expression as external activity, the result becomes stronger in the form of character traits, physical features or repercussions from external sources.
  A destructive intention does not have to be on a gross level. It may, for example, lead to the destruction of only a very small thing, such as when we angrily tear up a piece of paper. Even though that piece of paper has no importance in itself, the action still has some effect on the quality of the mind. The effect is very different from tearing up a piece of paper with a neutral state of mind, such as when throwing away scrap paper. If there is repeated implementation of such angry intention, the effects of accumulation will become clearer and clearer, and may develop to more significant levels.

  http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma1.htm#meaning
  
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