icchantika
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What are you talking about? ALL persons are born without faith. A baby cannot possibly have faith, he don't even know anything.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Question is whether a person who is born without faith can believe in any religion. It is not a mental position. -
Then how can a baby trust its parents?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:What are you talking about? ALL persons are born without faith. A baby cannot possibly have faith, he don't even know anything. -
I didn't know you need a religion to trust your parents.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Then how can a baby trust its parents? -
Talking about faith not about religion.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I didn't know you need a religion to trust your parents. -
One who is just borned doesn't know anything about 'faith' or 'trust'. Trust is learnt. When a baby is first borned, he doesn't know anything at all. When hungry, he just cry.
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How can a baby trust its parents and even know who actually is its parents? That is instinctive trust between parent and child.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:One who is just borned doesn't know anything about 'faith' or 'trust'. Trust is learnt. When a baby is first borned, he doesn't know anything at all. When hungry, he just cry. -
Originally posted by yamizi:
actually, same goes for AS(Amitabha sutra). the word "believe" appeared 9 times to be exact.
No wonder Sakyamuni Buddha kept stressing in the earlier chapters that LS is Nan Xing Nan Jie (difficult to believe in; difficult to comprehend).
"Shariputra, just as I am now one who praises the merit and virtue of all Buddhas, all those Buddhas equally praise my inconceivable merit and virtue, saying these words: 'Shakyamuni Buddha can complete extremely rare and difficult deeds in the Saha land, in the Evil Time of the Five Turbidities, in the midst of the Kalpa Turbidity, the View Turbidity, the Affliction Turbidity, the Living Beings Turbidity, and the Life Turbidity. He can attain Annutara-Samyak-Sambodhi and, for the sake of living beings, speak this Dharma which in the whole world is hard to believe.'
"Shariputra, you should know that I, in the Evil Time of the Five Turbidities, practice these difficult deeds, attain Annutara-Samyak-Sambodhi, and for all the world speak this Dharma, difficult to believe, extremely difficult!"
http://web.archive.org/web/20041011204348/http://www.amitabha.com/sutras/amitabha_sutra/ami_sutra.htm
ps: dunno why ppl this day like to so fast jump into conclusion. better dun underestimate ppl. better be humble.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
Not jumping to conclusion but if so, why create a special class known as icchantika?
actually, same goes for AS(Amitabha sutra). the word "believe" appeared 9 times to be exact.
"Shariputra, just as I am now one who praises the merit and virtue of all Buddhas, all those Buddhas equally praise my inconceivable merit and virtue, saying these words: 'Shakyamuni Buddha can complete extremely rare and difficult deeds in the Saha land, in the Evil Time of the Five Turbidities, in the midst of the Kalpa Turbidity, the View Turbidity, the Affliction Turbidity, the Living Beings Turbidity, and the Life Turbidity. He can attain Annutara-Samyak-Sambodhi and, for the sake of living beings, speak this Dharma which in the whole world is [b]hard to believe.'
"Shariputra, you should know that I, in the Evil Time of the Five Turbidities, practice these difficult deeds, attain Annutara-Samyak-Sambodhi, and for all the world speak this Dharma, difficult to believe, extremely difficult!"
http://web.archive.org/web/20041011204348/http://www.amitabha.com/sutras/amitabha_sutra/ami_sutra.htm
ps: dunno why ppl this day like to so fast jump into conclusion. better dun underestimate ppl. better be humble.
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Knowledge without faith turn one into icchantika is 'Psycho' !