is Buddhist knowledge same as wisdom
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Dear AEN....pls help old ppl like me summary in 20 words.
"poltergeist effect" aka "Edit ("energy" + " life" cloning)" aka "edit(karmic seeds forward)"
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The taxs on thai temples are high and maintenance fees are highOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:I think wherever you are born it's still the same -- there will be the bad side and the good side.
In Thailand, Buddhism is corrupt in many places, corrupt by money and so on, mixed with superstitions and no longer teach true dharma and practice. But there are also enlightened beings, arhats, in modern days (i.e. today) that still live and teach dharma... especially in the Thai forest tradition.
Similarly there are sincere practitioners, enlightened ones, who still live in Singapore, along with others who aren't practicing. There's a mix of both sides.
As long as you are sincere in your practice, with an intense desire for truth and liberation... your practice will certainly come to fruition.
In order to raise funds
Temples have resorted to make amulets to sell at as cheap as 20 baht since locally the donations collected cannot sustain the high costs like taxs and food
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There is no "a self" or a "soul-entity" that is the subject of reincarnation. No such "self" can be found".Originally posted by Ser~pent:Dear AEN....pls help old ppl like me summary in 20 words.
"poltergeist effect" aka "mind cloning" aka "karma..."
Reflect on:space time dimension
There is only momentary selves, rebirth, becoming, due to dependent arising, i.e. conditions. There is no separate independently existing self, but a process of conditioned becoming, passing, becoming, passing, self1, self2, self3, that is rebirth.
Consciousness does not arise independent of conditions. -
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:There is no "a self" or a "soul-entity" that is the subject of reincarnation. No such "self" can be found"..
If there is no "a self" in reality of buddhadharma then subject of rebirth is fraud since "self" cannot be found...... traces the origin of the elements out of which our bodies are made, we are star dust
and that is no rebirth!Consciousness does not arise independent of conditions.
So The theory states that psychokinetic energy may unconsciously leave the body of an emotionally charged person who is harboring repressed emotions, such as, anger, fear, or rage which manifest themselves as physical disturbances of the immediate surroundings is purely nonsense?
There are many Proofs that "poltergeist" aka edit ("energy cloning") exist that generated or separated the "body" of an emotionally charged person...
'Feeling(emotion) is the condition of craving, and craving is the condition of clinging.'" -
simi not to cause ppl lose faithOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:[message removed in order not to cause people to lose faith and sent by PM]
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If there is no "a self" in reality of buddhadharma then subject of rebirth is fraud since "self" cannot be found...... traces the origin of the elements out of which our bodies are made, we are star dust
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that is no rebirth!A fixed self cannot be found, but there is momentary selves. Self1, self2, self3, self4, self5, self6. Made of karmic and mental conditionings. This is rebirth, not reincarnation of a soul.
So The theory states that psychokinetic energy may unconsciously leave the body of an emotionally charged person who is harboring repressed emotions, such as, anger, fear, or rage which manifest themselves as physical disturbances of the immediate surroundings is purely nonsense
There are many Proofs that poltergeist exist that generated or separated the "body" of an emotionally charged person...
'Feeling(emotion) is the condition of craving, and craving is the condition of clinging.'"I have no ideas about this theory.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
A fixed self cannot be found, but there is momentary selves. Self1, self2, self3, self4, self5, self6. Made of karmic and mental conditionings. This is rebirth, not reincarnation of a soul.
I have no ideas about this theory.
Edit: "Religious beliefs" are superstitious legends aka superstitious fears aka ignorance of thelaws of nature
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Originally posted by Ser~pent:
Religion is superstitious legends aka superstitious fears aka ignorance of thelaws of nature
What do you mean by religion and what is superstitious?
Is rebirth superstitious?There are enough evidence and proof, both meditative and scientific, on rebirth. There are many who remembered past lives, including some in our forum... and there are also many evidences on rebirth by scientists who have done researches and studies and published their findings in scientific journals.
Buddhists believe rebirth happens (as it is happening right now in this present life, all the time for us) as long as we are still stuck in samsara and it continues life after life. But there is no agent or subject of rebirth, and therefore we do not teach the reincarnation of a soul like Hinduism. We teach rebirth, not reincarnation.
The greatest mistake and impediment in accepting rebirth among many people is the materialist reductionist belief that consciousness or mind is entirely a material realm. This is definitely not the case. Consciousness cannot be reduced to the material realm, they are mutually conditioning but not mutually dependent. Experiences of out of body experiences, near death experiences and so on proves this to be true. As Thusness once said years back,
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Originally posted by casino_king:
Consciousness exists with the human brain, that is clear...
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Perhaps if we were to live in the 17th centuries applying the Newtonian viewpoint, what you said might still be acceptable in the scientific community. Unfortunately, we donÂ’t. In light of quantum mechanics and neuroscience, I think that is a bold statement and you may want to substantiate it with some valid scientific findings.As Science progresses, especially beyond the field of classical science (such as quantum physics), it discovers that reality is much more than the physical, material world that we usually know. That to treat the physical world as having true inherent existence on its own is an optical delusion of our consciousness.
It is completely limiting to reduce mind and consciousness to mere material existence.
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"Separate existences"...no rebirth...no simi reincarnation of a soul like Hinduism
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Originally posted by Ser~pent:
In a way yes... karma is a form of mental energy that continues to be recreated due to conditionings moment to moment and life after life. -
In my opinion, knowledge is not wisdom. So Buddhist knowledge is not wisdom.
True wisdom allows one to be totally ease with oneself and with others, regardless of the circumstances and the length of time. There is compassion, there is constant high awareness of the 'empty' nature of all things and phenomena.
If Buddhist knowledge equals to wisdom, then Buddhist scholars or those who have taken Buddhist studies for academic research would be regarded as having wisdom.
True wisdom, whether from the Buddhist point of view or secular point of view, has to have the ultimate effect of helping others and self to gain everlasting happiness and peace for all. If not, there is no point discussing about the word 'wisdom' for it would become nothing more than a word game or different personal interpretations of what is 'knowledge' and what is 'wisdom'
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
In a way yes... karma is a form of mental energy that continues to be recreated due to conditionings moment to moment and life after life.
Rebirth is a form of "separated edit(karmic seeds) energy" that is no "you" aka Edit(NO)an eternal existence...Life is short......So live life to the fullest!
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Originally posted by Ser~pent:
Rebirth is a form of "separated mental energy" that is no "you" aka an eternal existence...Life is short......So live life to the fullest!
EXIT
Yet karmic conditioning can continue to an afterlife.Actually there is not only no "you" that is an eternal existence, there is no "you" that is the same one moment ago and now.
On investigation no "you" can be found at all!
All there is is thoughts, feelings, sensations, and NO moment of thoughts, feelings, sensations are the same. They are only as it is, appearing vividly as clarity, and gone, in an instant.
Just like drawing made on water, appearing vividly but immediately gone, leaving no trace. (See our moderator Thusness's topic, Thusness is just so.) Our entire existence are merely appearances as such.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Yet karmic conditioning can continue to an afterlife.Actually there is not only no "you" that is an eternal existence, there is no "you" that is the same one moment ago and now.
On investigation no "you" can be found at all!
All there is is thoughts, feelings, sensations, and NO moment of thoughts, feelings, sensations are the same. They are only as it is, appearing vividly as clarity, and gone, in an instant.
Just like drawing made on water, appearing vividly but immediately gone, leaving no trace. (See our moderator Thusness's topic, Thusness is just so.) Our entire existence are merely appearances as such.
Simi is no " You" that is an eternal existence
...æ— æˆ‘ as star dust. No consicous light itself in you! when we drop dead.........Corpses decompose..decay...dust to dust...ashes to ashes!
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Yet karmic conditioning can continue to an afterlife. Separated edit(existences of recreated karmic energy) that from this no " a self" conditioning continue to an "new aka another life" !Edit( this life itself) ... component elements gone back to mother earth!
空 空 空 空 空 空 空 空
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Originally posted by Ser~pent:
Simi no " You" that is an eternal existence
...æ— æˆ‘ as star dust. No consicous light
itself! No God in you! when we drop diedCorpses decompose..decay...dust to dust...ashes to ashes!
The 'conscious light' is talking about the subtlest level of Clear Light, the luminous nature of the mind:
http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/rebirth_reincarnation.html
Question: When people hear of luminosity of clear light that dawns at the moment of death they ask why it is called clear light. What has this got to do with light as we know it?
Dalai Lama: "I don't think that in the term clear light, light should be taken literally. It is sort of metaphoric. This could have its roots in our terminology of mental will. According to Buddhism, all consciousness or all cognitive mental events are said to be in the nature of clarity and luminosity. So it is from that point of view that the choice of the term light is used. Clear light is the most subtle level of mind, which can be seen as the basis or the source from which eventual experience or realisation of Buddhahood, Buddha's wisdom might come about, therefore it is called clear light. Clear light is a state of mind which becomes fully manifest only as a consequence of certain sequences or stages of dissolution, where the mind becomes devoid of certain types of obscurations, which are again metaphorically described in terms of sun-like, moonlike and darkness. These refer to the earlier three stages of dissolution which are technically called, including the clear light stage, the four empties. At the final stage of dissolution the mind is totally free of all these factors of obscuration. Therefore it is called clear light. Sort of a light. It is also possible to understand the usage of the term clear light in terms of the nature of mind itself. Mind or consciousness is a phenomena which lacks any obstructive quality. It is non-obstructed."But even it has no 'self existence', is also empty by nature. If luminous clarity is our nature, emptiness is its essence.
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Originally posted by Ser~pent:
Separated karmic from this no " a self"
conditioning continue to an "another life" !No afterlife as this life itself ... component elements gone back to mother earth!
空 is this life!
Yes, body decompose, but due to the mental conditioning as a process rebirth takes place, they are neither the same nor different.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Yes, body decompose, but due to the mental conditioning as a process rebirth takes place, they are neither the same nor different.
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Separate existences
Phagguna Sutta
"Who, O Lord, craves?"
"The question is not correct," said the Exalted One. "I do not say that 'he craves.' Had I said so, then the question 'Who craves?' would be appropriate. But since I did not speak thus, the correct way to ask the question will be 'What is the condition of craving?' And to that the correct reply is: 'Feeling(EMOTION) is the condition of craving, and craving is the condition of clinging.'"
"Who, O Lord, clings?"
"'Craving is the condition of clinging; and clinging is the condition of the process of becoming.' Such is the origin of this entire mass of suffering.Separate existences
The theory states that psychokinetic energy leave the body of an emotionally charged person who is harboring repressed emotions, such as, anger, fear, or rage which manifest themselves.There are many Proofs that so called "poltergeist" aka "energy cloning" exist that generated or separated the "body" of an emotionally charged person...
Human is work like "generator!"
Out-of-body experienceOut-of-body experience
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
An out-of-body experience (OBE or sometimes OOBE), is an experience that typically involves a sensation of floating outside of one's body and, in some cases, perceiving one's physical body from a place outside one's body (autoscopy). About one in ten people has had an out-of-body experience at some time in their lives.[1] Scientists know little about the phenomenon.[2] OBEs are often part of the near-death experience, and reportedly may also lead to astral projection. It is claimed that those experiencing an OBE sometimes observe details which were unknown to them beforehand.[3]
é�—ä¼ genetic relationship ties of blood
Parent:biological relationshipDNA is the prime constituent of chromosomes and it controls the hereditary characteristics and synthesis of proteins within the cells of virtually all living beings, and that's so called "cloning" or simply "your next generation!" aka " separate existences theory"
Soft buddhist 10 cent tnought:
"Paranormal phenomena " aka "ignorance of the laws of nature!"
Its half logical, half illogical, which makes it strange "religious teaching!"
Science is to understand the laws of nature, mankind's creation.and provide solutions to problems simply shows us how to get to live life by logic.
Humans live life by superstitious fears aka superstitious legends aka superstitious fears aka ignorance of the laws of nature. But religious logic beliefs on its own contradicts itself.
The reality of quantum physics is stranger than "religious beliefs!" Edit(careless mistake)
Once Einstein said Science Without Religion Is Lame: Religion Without Science Is Blind!
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Yes, body decompose, but due to the mental conditioning as a process rebirth takes place, they are neither the same nor different.
é�—ä¼ genetic relationship ties of blood
Parent:biological relationshipDNA is the prime constituent of chromosomes and it controls the hereditary characteristics and synthesis of proteins within the cells of virtually all living beings, and that's so called "cloning" or simply "your next generation!" aka " separate existences theory"
æ— æˆ‘,universe truth( non-self) No consicous light itself in you....
When we drop died ,Corpses decompose..decay...dust to dust...ashes to ashes! but due to the "karma is a form of energy" that recreated " aka "energy or human cloning" aka "karmic seeds forward" take place conditionings life after life, they are sort of separate existences!
Reality is stranger than " religious beliefs" Human is work like "generator!"
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Additional details:
If you do not want to clone another " you", then be wholehearted buddhist!
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"Through the complete fading away and cessation of even these six bases of sense-impression, sense-impression ceases;8 through the cessation of sense-impression, feeling ceases; through the cessation of feeling, craving ceases; through the cessation of craving, clinging ceases; through the cessation of clinging, the process of becoming ceases; through the cessation of the process of becoming, birth ceases; through the cessation of birth, old age, death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of suffering."
http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/303025?page=2
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Originally posted by Ser~pent:
é�—ä¼ genetic relationship ties of blood
Parent:biological relationshipDNA is the prime constituent of chromosomes and it controls the hereditary characteristics and synthesis of proteins within the cells of virtually all living beings, and that's so called "cloning" or simply "your next generation!" aka " separated existences theory"
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AEN: While you can say that our traits are reborn in our next generation, in Buddhism, rebirth between lifetimes occur often in completely different realms, different time and place. This is because consciousness is not just a material phenomena, it is a nonmaterial phenomena that is mutually conditioning with material.
Soft buddhist 10 cent tnought:
"Paranormal phenomena " aka "ignorance of the laws of nature!"
Its half logical, half illogical, which makes it strange "religious teaching!"
Science is to understand the laws of nature, mankind's creation.and provide solutions to problems simply shows us how to get to live life by logic.
Humans live life by superstitious fears aka superstitious legends aka superstitious fears aka ignorance of the laws of nature. But religious logic beliefs on its own contradicts itself.
The reality of quantum physics is stranger than "religious beliefs!" Edit(careless mistake)
Once Einstein said Science Without Religion Is Lame: Religion Without Science Is Blind!
AEN:
I am fully supportive of scientific studies into spiritual phenomenon, and there is a lot that they can find.
However, we must also know the limits of modern science in dealing with things like spirituality. Spirituality is not just about 'logic' or 'beliefs', just as science is not just about 'belief'.
As Thusness has written this about 2 years ago - http://buddhism.sgforums.com/users/97367/posts?page=15
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Hi Casino_King,
It is inadequate to use rational thought to understand spiritual matters. Logic is only that branch of philosophy that deals with reasoning. It does not deal with all types of thinking such as remembering (Recalling past life included), dreaming (Dream Yoga), day dreaming, neurosis, learning..etc. These other types of thinking are the job of psychology and parapsychology.
Although evidence is needed to serve as a base for inductive and deductive reasoning, full proof evidence to arrive at a certain conclusion is not necessary in logical analysis. In daily life, not all reasoning attempts to provide conclusive evidence for the truth of a given conclusion and more often than not, conclusive evidence cannot be produced. For pragmatic ground, we merely want the evidence we arrived at be 'well founded'.
As human, sleeping and dreaming took up pretty much percentage of our life. We are not just a rational being, to understand human, we have to deal with all these matters with spiritual issues included.------------
An additional point:
Science is but one way of understanding the phenomenon universe. It is neither the only way nor the best way. Just like it is not right to apply the same physical laws that govern a man size universe to the quantum world, we can’t apply the same laws when we deal with a world that is non-material and qualitative (It is not meant for that). We do not create a mathematical formula to define the meaning of ‘beauty’ and ‘love’. Using the wrong approach at times mislead us into conclusion that something is irrational and in turn, we might missed something truly valuable. Just my 2 cents worth. Happy discussing.------------
Yes Casino_King,
I certainly agree with what you said. Transcendental experience till now must remain at a personal level and it is not wise to over emphasize these experiences and make objective claims. Since science has ascended to become the ruling mode of knowing, it will have to do something to account for non-material phenomenon. Perhaps quantum mechanics will succeed in doing so in future but till then, it should not stop us from further investigating into our own existence, our nature and the meaning of life through other modes of knowing other than science. Nice chat.
-------------Originally posted by Isis:It does not matter much whether this or there things really exist. Science has tried to prove time over time and this kind of things can take super- long time.I agree with most of the points you said except this. Personally I think it does matter and our entire value system and the meaning of existence will change.
My personal view:
If we are serious about life and the meaning of our own existence, we have to take steps into understanding it. It is not just about fear, it springs from the love of life and to find out more about what it is. Religion offers what science has not yet able to offer and we have the choice to choose the religion that suits us. Even if we have experienced the reality of the transcendental and rebirth, it is not final, we will soon realize how little we know about our own reality. There is no point over emphasizing anything and make objective claims about a subjective experience. Let science remains as it is and not over/under assert what it is not. The journey must still continue but walk with a truthful heart. To truly gain, the sincerity must be there.
Asking the reality of ‘rebirth’ and experiencing our luminous clarity is “unlocking” the mystery of life, we should not expect it to come easy. To unlock this mystery, seriously make all effort into understanding the meaning no-self and emptiness and practice with all our heart. It is already taught, we have to take the steps. It is the gate towards unlocking the doubt we have in mind. This has to be subjective, it has to be personal, it is an individual ‘touch’ and authentication of what that is being taught by Buddha. All the core teachings of Buddhism are to be found here, now and this moment, it is not else where, not even a moment of thought away. We will be convinced by this ‘touch’ even it is not proven objectively by science. Resting in our pristine awareness and being authenticated by everything without gap, doubt cannot arise and by this, we remain undisturbed. My 2 cents, happy journey to all.------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Ser~pent:
Soft buddhist 10 cent tnought:
"Paranormal phenomena " aka "ignorance of the laws of nature!"
Its half logical, half illogical, which makes it strange "religious teaching!"
Science is to understand the laws of nature, mankind's creation.and provide solutions to problems simply shows us how to get to live life by logic.
Humans live life by superstitious fears aka superstitious legends aka superstitious fears aka ignorance of the laws of nature. But religious logic beliefs on its own contradicts itself.
The reality of quantum physics is stranger than "religious beliefs!"Yet it seems to me that religious "logic beliefs " are laws of nature.
Once Einstein said Science Without Religion Is Lame: Religion Without Science Is Blind!
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Originally posted by Ser~pent:
æ— æˆ‘,universe truth( non-self) No consicous light itself in you....
The conscious light is pure consciousness, and is impersonal. If you practice you will one day experience this undeniable Presence of clear light.