Do you believe in the "truth" within human beings?
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Originally posted by SoulDivine:
Can you summarise a little for us? Thanks..
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Originally posted by SoulDivine:
Dr Ian Stevensons is a very famous scientist that studied and produced many research and evidence on rebirth.He died last year.
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Checked this guy out... is he into channeling?
Nevertheless I am always wary of channeling, you can basically channel from any sources, even so called 'Buddha' and 'Christ', but there is no way to know who are you are communicating with.
There are alot of spiritual inteference in such things and basically any spirits can interfere and communicate.
Could Longchen please comment...
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I just found the other 2 videos. I will get the link up...
As for who is Dr Ian Stevensons... I have no idea it is a male or female. Ian sounds like a man's name, but the person I saw in the video looks and sounds likes a woman, so I will stick with she to refer to the person shown on the video.
I try to summarise each video, give me sometime.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Nevertheless I am always wary of channeling, you can basically channel from any sources, even so called 'Buddha' and 'Christ', but there is no way to know who are you are communicating with.
There are alot of spiritual inteference in such things and basically any spirits can interfere and communicate.
Haha there I was just saying you can basically 'channel anyone'
This girl even channeled 'Acid' (the drug)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXh_rgd2hLc
She could probably channel a stone, your computer, or what not...
There's another on 'I am a PIMPLE on your face': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IeFUjl10M
well... some of the things are kinda interesting, but again, i cant verify some of the stuff they're talking about..
btw the one on "Masturbation Practicality 2" is kinda interesting but no comments and i cant verify -- (part two) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyCqbY_luDw
Maybe thusness, longchen and others can help comment..
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Video1:
I am Ian Stevenson, I died recently. I discovered a fascinating experience.
When I died, I am young again, I am feeling great.
You can see my expression, it is amazing, it is great.
I am here in this female human physical body as the inter-dimensional portal.
I was able to speak to you straight completely as myself like this is my body.
I crossed over, still standing next to my body, still seeing next to my body.
Everything went white. Instead of seeing human beings in their physical 3D form, I see their expressions, not energy. Their thoughts exist on every part of their body. These thoughts continuously running ... A being pop up to me and said ...
Question: What is going on inside human beings?
Answer: Every human being looks like a system. These system exist inter-demensionally. All your thoughts, feelings, emotions, expressions are part of the system that exist inter-dimensionally.
People don't want to know these stuff. It is very scary because people don't know these stuff. People keep thinking, thinking, thinking that feelings and emotions are normal.... but it is not.
End of Video1
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One thing about these kind of channeling is that even if they did channel from many sources, most of these discarnate spirits in communication are unenlightened beings.
You will see that most descriptions of reality by these beings does not come from the perspective of an enlightened being who is enlightened to the ultimate nature of reality...
again, longchen would have enough personal experiences on these materials to share on this.
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Video2:
People think that thoughts are normal, feelings and emotions are normal, But you know what? It is not. It is because I myself thought that emotions, feelings are normal.
You think thinking, you need your brain to be functioning in this world. You need the brain to do the work you require to do. Emotions, feelings, thinking are not part of the brain. Actually, your brain is your entire physical body. I know this is difficult for you to comprehen what I am saying, but it is true.
I am saying that this is the truth I have experienced and discovered for myself as I die.
Humans look normal in this world... But what the f**k is normal?
Three words, Thoughts, Emotions, Feelings.
These are what people think they are... My current passion is to have human beings realise that you are not that three liitle words... its so limited.
And when you get into the inter-dimension, only when you die, and then you realised... f**k here I am, and now I realised, why didn't I realised it when I was on Earth. What stopped me?
Then you realise, is all those thoughts up in your mind, and those emotions and those feelings, and those feelings that stopped you.
But there is a way to stop those thoughts, stop those emotions and feelings. Because in the dimension, I am slient, I am peaceful.
Human beings have to realise this... is that with that silence, with that no thought, with that no emotions and feelings.. where you are massive, you are infinite, you are vast... you are not those little thoughts
Each human have to realised these, but I wouldn't want everyone have to die to realise this. Believe me, because there are dead people that don't have the ability to talk to you like I do.
End of Video2.
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I am going sleep.. dont think I will continue video 3 and 4.
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Originally posted by SoulDivine:
Video2:
People think that thoughts are normal, feelings and emotions are normal, But you know what? It is not. It is because I myself thought that emotions, feelings are normal.
You think thinking, you need your brain to be functioning in this world. You need the brain to do the work you require to do. Emotions, feelings, thinking are not part of the brain. Actually, your brain is your entire physical body. I know this is difficult for you to comprehen what I am saying, but it is true.
I am saying that this is the truth I have experienced and discovered for myself as I die.
Humans look normal in this world... But what the f**k is normal?
Three words, Thoughts, Emotions, Feelings.
These are what people think they are... My current passion is to have human beings realise that you are not that three liitle words... its so limited.
And when you get into the inter-dimension, only when you die, and then you realised... f**k here I am, and now I realised, why didn't I realised it when I was on Earth. What stopped me?
Then you realise, is all those thoughts up in your mind, and those emotions and those feelings, and those feelings that stopped you.
But there is a way to stop those thoughts, stop those emotions and feelings. Because in the dimension, I am slient, I am peaceful.
Human beings have to realise this... is that with that silence, with that no thought, with that no emotions and feelings.. where you are massive, you are infinite, you are vast... you are not those little thoughts
Each human have to realised these, but I wouldn't want everyone have to die to realise this. Believe me, because there are dead people that don't have the ability to talk to you like I do.
End of Video2.
What he said contains truth.
But it is a little vague...
Perhaps you may want to read Longchen's article on his initial realisations:
http://www.dreamdatum.com/who-are-we.html
During deep meditative states, an all-pervading Presence is detectable. This Presence, is most often experienced when thoughts are momentarily suspended. This Presence which exists in the Eternal Present Moment is our true self. This Presence has been described by mystics since ancient times.
Under most circumstances, attention is focused on perception, thoughts and sensations. We have wholly identified ourselves with these experiences and believed that to be the entirety of our self.But we are more than that! We are the eternal Presence. The direct experience of this, will dispel all false beliefs which are almost blindly accepted by all who had not awakened. This understanding of 'Presence as our true essense' alone should put us in a greater sense of security and allow one to be less fearful of eventual physical death, which happened to all (almost all) of us.
For your necessary ponderance. Thank you for reading.
Important! The realisation that is being described above is NOT a complete understanding. At this level, there is only the understanding of Presence as an Eternal Watcher or Witness or I AM Presence. At this stage, I had not yet realised non-duality. Please read the next article and the subsequent ones for a more complete understanding.
These articles are parts of a series of spiritual realisation. Each article represents my understanding at that given stage and may not be fully reflective of the current state.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Important! The realisation that is being described above is NOT a complete understanding. At this level, there is only the understanding of Presence as an Eternal Watcher or Witness or I AM Presence. At this stage, I had not yet realised non-duality. Please read the next article and the subsequent ones for a more complete understanding.
Some of the articles I have seen in their website's FAQ (written/channelled by discarnate spirit 'Jack') also clearly describe this level of realisation (I AM), but not non-dual.
Also see our moderator Thusness's six stages of experience: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
The glimpse of 'I AM' is an initial awakening into the luminosity aspect of our nature, but without realisation of non-dual/no-self and emptiness. Only the realisation of non-dual/no-self and emptiness is considered enlightenment in Buddhism.
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I have heard of Dr Ian Stevenson. In fact some time ago I posted a topic in which I gave 2 examples of his more well-known works about reincarnation.
I don't really understand what the video was about after watching it. It sounds quite bizzare and I don't quite know to describe it..
But whatever it is, I hope for people to constantly remind themselves as to what the Buddha has taught; everything is impermanent, unsatisfactory and empty of fixed state or notion of self.
The url below leads to my post about Cause and effect and Dr Brian Weiss and Dr Ian Stevenson's works were briefly mentioned.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
btw the one on "Masturbation Practicality 2" is kinda interesting but no comments and i cant verify -- (part two) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyCqbY_luDw
(btw, part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLHl0uhYaY)
Just discussed this video (part 2) with Thusness this morning.
He thinks this video is very good, but it is not necessary (to practice masturbation) -- even as in walking, one must be able to experience that. When our feet 'touches' the floor... the 'solidness'.. is really the 'Form' we are always talking about in the conventional sense, and that is awareness. One will not be able to experience that in totality without understanding non-duality and emptiness.
One can also experience even before fainting, the entirety, the totality, if practice reaches certain stability in non-duality.. it is the totality of the experience and what he called 'self expresssion in the moment'. This is different from awareness as a behind reality or the I AM/Watcher, but reality as manifestation, non-dual.
The video provides the way of having non-dual experience but not necessarily the non-dual insight... non-dual insight is to understand that this is the natural state, always so. One should also know that karmic propensities prevent one from the natural state.
So basically the video is talking about vipassana, except it is in masturbation. However it is no good to practice this way, and one should not seek the pleasurable or intensity of experience... and it does your body more harm than benefits.
But one should experience it in vipasanna practice, practice dropping and mindfulness, like body mindfulness throughout the whole body. Not to practice this as masturbation, but practice in walking, hearing, seeing, as in in hearing, just the sound, in seeing, just the seen, in touching, just the sensation. Then it does not harm one's body, we do not give up and exhaust our body as in the case of masturbation described by that person. It is however a good description.
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Originally posted by Spnw07:
I have heard of Dr Ian Stevenson. In fact some time ago I posted a topic in which I gave 2 examples of his more well-known works about reincarnation.
I don't really understand what the video was about after watching it. It sounds quite bizzare and I don't quite know to describe it..
But whatever it is, I hope for people to constantly remind themselves as to what the Buddha has taught; everything is impermanent, unsatisfactory and empty of fixed state or notion of self.
The url below leads to my post about Cause and effect and Dr Brian Weiss and Dr Ian Stevenson's works were briefly mentioned.
What "Dr Ian Stevenson" is talking about is what we are is not just the common notion or belief that we are our thoughts, emotions, and feeling, and our true nature is much more vast and infinite. I think this is quite similar to Longchen's article which I posted above, however, that article by longchen is only an initial realisation/glimpse of our true nature. Maybe longchen can comment.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
(btw, part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLHl0uhYaY)
Just discussed this video (part 2) with Thusness this morning.
He thinks this video is very good, but it is not necessary (to practice masturbation) -- even as in walking, one must be able to experience that. When our feet 'touches' the floor... the 'solidness'.. is really the 'Form' we are always talking about in the conventional sense, and that is awareness. One will not be able to experience that in totality without understanding non-duality and emptiness.
One can also experience even before fainting, the entirety, the totality, if practice reaches certain stability in non-duality.. it is the totality of the experience and what he called 'self expresssion in the moment'. This is different from awareness as a behind reality or the I AM/Watcher, but reality as manifestation, non-dual.
The video provides the way of having non-dual experience but not necessarily the non-dual insight... non-dual insight is to understand that this is the natural state, always so. One should also know that karmic propensities prevent one from the natural state.
So basically the video is talking about vipassana, except it is in masturbation. However it is no good to practice this way, and one should not seek the pleasurable or intensity of experience... and it does your body more harm than benefits.
But one should experience it in vipasanna practice, practice dropping and mindfulness, like body mindfulness throughout the whole body. Not to practice this as masturbation, but practice in walking, hearing, seeing, as in in hearing, just the sound, in seeing, just the seen, in touching, just the sensation. Then it does not harm one's body, we do not give up and exhaust our body as in the case of masturbation described by that person. It is however a good description.
Hey sometime i just feel good inside but i don't necessarily see/feel/think thing as it is inside..
Ehhh i make sense here?
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Originally posted by Isis:
Hey sometime i just feel good inside but i don't necessarily see/feel/think thing as it is inside..
Ehhh i make sense here?
What is important is there is no further thoughts and mental projections or seeking... whatever sensations are only as they are, self-felt, 'self-expressing'
The first thing she said in the video is non-symbolic.. pure and thoughtless, non-symbolic, only manifestation.
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Watched the video .. a bit. Desteni is quite popular in the new age scene.
Just my opinion...
When we die, the thoughts and emotions can be dissolve in the death process... and what is left is the non-dual , all pervading experience of Presence. Here is usually when a 'being' discovered that it is not just the thought and emotion. But, the understanding is not clear here.
For those on an enlightenment path, we sort of 'experience death' before physical death. This experience of death happens many many times while still physically alive. And with gradual experiences, we understand the nature of the reality better.
In another word, we become more efficient and discard those ways of dealings that are not very helpful... Something like that...
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This new sgforum interface is not very user friendly..
Anyway... the important thing is not just to catch a glimpse of the Presence. You will expereince it anyway when you die.
The important thing is to 'do' the necessary practice for spiritual understanding while still alive. The effect of karma is very signifcant. and is always overlooked by these new age stuffs.
The point is that the karmic stuffs must be resolved while still physically alive.
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Originally posted by longchen:
This new sgforum interface is not very user friendly..
Anyway... the important thing is not just to catch a glimpse of the Presence. You will expereince it anyway when you die.
The important thing is to 'do' the necessary practice for spiritual understanding while still alive. The effect of karma is very signifcant. and is always overlooked by these new age stuffs.
The point is that the karmic stuffs must be resolved while still physically alive.
Hi.. thanks for the reply
It takes some getting used to in the new interface... there are some useful new features, but some features are also gone and hope they'll get it back soon.
BTW I was just reading one of Thusness's previous posts,
http://buddhism.sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/293246?page=2
Originally posted by Thusness:Truly so! You may want to see ‘clearing’ from another perspective.
Since there is merely letting whatever arises to subside on their own accord with luminous clarity, it is not so much of 'clearing' of karmic propensities. It is rather a ‘non-re-enforcing' process. Ignorance unknowingly deepens the tendencies due to dualistic action.
I used to find this a great challenge because the sense of self never fails to arise during challenging conditions but that is perfectly fine now.
However one
must know the exact reason why it is fine and the mechanism of how
karmic tendencies works. This knowing of 'exact reason' is not a
form of rational deduction but rather a form of reflection due to
clarity of the process when there is non-interference.
If it doesn’t arise, it is not cleared. The very arising is itself a clearing process; otherwise with a ‘seed’ latent and without condition for it to arise, how is it cleared? Therefore one must turn ‘conditions’ to practice.
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Originally posted by longchen:
When we die, the thoughts and emotions can be dissolve in the death process... and what is left is the non-dual , all pervading experience of Presence. Here is usually when a 'being' discovered that it is not just the thought and emotion. But, the understanding is not clear here.
Yes the process of gradual dissolution leading to the experience of Clear Light, which dawns in its splendor at the time of death, which the Tibetan Book of the Dead says ""Oh son/daughter of an enlightened family ... your Rigpa is inseparable luminosity and emptiness and dwells as a great expanse of light; beyond birth or death, it is, in fact, the Buddha of Unchanging Light." However a glimpse is probably not enough and without the wisdom/insight the experience will be lost in a moment, and the process of samsaric rebirth takes place again.
http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/rebirth_reincarnation.html
Question: When people hear of luminosity of clear light that dawns at the moment of death they ask why it is called clear light. What has this got to do with light as we know it?
Dalai Lama: "I don't think that in the term clear light, light should be taken literally. It is sort of metaphoric. This could have its roots in our terminology of mental will. According to Buddhism, all consciousness or all cognitive mental events are said to be in the nature of clarity and luminosity. So it is from that point of view that the choice of the term light is used. Clear light is the most subtle level of mind, which can be seen as the basis or the source from which eventual experience or realisation of Buddhahood, Buddha's wisdom might come about, therefore it is called clear light. Clear light is a state of mind which becomes fully manifest only as a consequence of certain sequences or stages of dissolution, where the mind becomes devoid of certain types of obscurations, which are again metaphorically described in terms of sun-like, moonlike and darkness. These refer to the earlier three stages of dissolution which are technically called, including the clear light stage, the four empties. At the final stage of dissolution the mind is totally free of all these factors of obscuration. Therefore it is called clear light. Sort of a light. It is also possible to understand the usage of the term clear light in terms of the nature of mind itself. Mind or consciousness is a phenomena which lacks any obstructive quality. It is non-obstructed." -
Originally posted by longchen:
Watched the video .. a bit. Desteni is quite popular in the new age scene.
Just my opinion...
When we die, the thoughts and emotions can be dissolve in the death process... and what is left is the non-dual , all pervading experience of Presence. Here is usually when a 'being' discovered that it is not just the thought and emotion. But, the understanding is not clear here.
For those on an enlightenment path, we sort of 'experience death' before physical death. This experience of death happens many many times while still physically alive. And with gradual experiences, we understand the nature of the reality better.
In another word, we become more efficient and discard those ways of dealings that are not very helpful... Something like that...
Hi Longchen,
Must be having a challenging time sustaining the vivid presence of non-dual experience. Just to share with you some of my thoughts:
When we die, the thoughts and emotions that are karmically linked to the body are temporarily suspended. The contrast in experience that resulted from the dissolution of the ‘bond of a body’ gives rise to a more vivid experience of Presence; although the experience of Presence is there, the insight into its non-dual essence and emptiness nature isn’t there. This is similar to the experience of “I AM”. Thoughts and emotions will continue to arise and subside with the bond of ‘I’ and ‘Mine’ after death.
Awareness is always non-dual and all pervading; obscured but not lost. In essence all manifestation, transient (emotions, thoughts or feelings) is really the manifold of Presence. They have the same non-dual essence and empty nature. All problems lie not at the manifestation level but at the fundamental level. Deep in us we see things inherently and dualistically. How the experience of Presence can be distorted with the ‘bond’ of dualistic and inherent seeing maybe loosely categorized as:
1. There is a mirror reflecting dust. (“I AM”)
Mirror bright is experienced but distorted. Dualistic and Inherent seeing.
2. Dust is required for the mirror to see itself.
Non-Dualistic but Inherent seeing. (Beginning of non-dual insight)
3. Dust has always been the mirror ( The mirror here is seen as a whole)
Non-Dualistic and non- inherent insight.
In 3, whatever comes and goes is the Rigpa itself. There is no Rigpa other than that. All along there is no dust really, only when a particular speck of dust claims that it is the purest and truest state then immediately all other arising which from beginning are self- mirroring become dust.
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Hi Thusness,
Thanks for the reply. :)
Yes, there are some challenging situations to non-dual presence. I will share it on the forum..
In my case, nondual is easier to experience when there are bodily movement. This is when i am walking or eating. The mind rest and just feeling the sensations.
However, when thinking kicks in... it is not so easy. This can be liken to a dog trying to bite its own tail. The habitual tendency to let go of these thoughts becomes the arising of the dualistic perception. 'Let go' becomes the very effort. and a loop cycle ensues. However, there are also time when the 'let go effort' drops and restfulness follows. ... and one wonders just how silly the 'let go' effort is. LOL.
The guess is that one must sustain a 'deeper' level of 'knowing' non-efforting.... that cannot be sought after.
Just a sharing.
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Originally posted by longchen:
In my case, nondual is easier to experience when there are bodily movement. This is when i am walking or eating. The mind rest and just feeling the sensations.
However, when thinking kicks in... it is not so easy. This can be liken to a dog trying to bite its own tail. The habitual tendency to let go of these thoughts becomes the arising of the dualistic perception. 'Let go' becomes the very effort. and a loop cycle ensues. However, there are also time when the 'let go effort' drops and restfulness follows. ... and one wonders just how silly the 'let go' effort is. LOL.
The guess is that one must sustain a 'deeper' level of 'knowing' non-efforting.... that cannot be sought after.
Precisely so and well experienced!
Non-dual brings u out of the mental loop, directly experiencing whatever touched, sensed, seen as IT. Before perception intervenes, it is thoroughly experienced. Non-dual eliminates the constant need of falling back to a source and see manifestation as source.
However in a practical world, there is no way we can avoid dirtying our hands and remain free from conceptualization; we have to face 'thinking'. It seems that whenever thinking steps in, the 'sense of self' surfaces and division is again experienced. The ‘background’, the ‘ultimate source’ will arise and there is no way of getting rid of this split for this is the nature of dualism. Ever time we recall or think there will always be a division; the background, the source will surface. And as long as our fundamental way of analyzing and thinking rest on a subject-object paradigm, there will always be a mismatched between non-dual experience and the 'views' for a non-dualist.
Although non-dual insight eliminates the split between the observer and observed experientially, it does not dissolve the deeply rooted dualistic framework. We continue to analyze and think and analyze using a subject/object dichotomy. Even tough there is sufficient non-dual experiences, when attempting to orientate in terms of ‘views’, a non-dualist can still be confused himself and at times appears incoherent. This is the de-synchronization between views and meditative experiences.In Buddhism there is a complete system of thought to orientate ourselves non-dually, that is, the viewless-view of Emptiness. It is a raft but it is the antidote for the conventional mind to orientate itself in a non-dual and non-local context. It also led to the amazing insight that ‘duality’ is really the result of seeing and taking things ‘inherently’ (You may want to the take up the challenge of re-engaging in thoughts penetrating this viewless view of Emptiness and thoroughly understand how this affect us into seeing things dualistically ).
At present, we experience our world through the lens of seeing things as existing dualistically and inherently. We deeply believe that entity possesses certain form of attributes. Deep in us we believe that ‘redness’ belongs to the flower and ‘blueness’ belongs to the sky. We were trained to see things not only dualistically but also objects consisting of attributes and functions. But in truth, there is no such ‘redness’ that belongs to the ‘flower’. There is no the ‘redness’ outside, nor inside us. There is no properties 'inherently' attached or attributed to any objects. The formation of the 'center' and the tendency to grasp is not just the problem of seeing things 'dualistically' but also 'inherently'. When we see in this way, all 'letting go' are mere illusions; For we are really 'holding' in our deep most consciousness and so the letting go' is only superficial. When we see things inherently, whatever state, whatever experience, no matter how profound, how blissful, how vivid, how mystical, will be objectify into an object for seeking; the tendency operates subtly. It is similar to how the experience of the Source "I AM" is distorted and later non-dual insight that sees the fundamental problem of the source.
Lastly, as stated in the Bahiya Sutta,
In seeing, (there is always) just the seen.
In hearing, (there is always) just sound.
The seen, sound are the non-dual luminous experience; but direct experience of non-dual luminosity is not suffcient. Though perfectly clear and vividly present as in non-dual experience, the 'seen' is radically different from the 'sound' -- this is its emptiness nature. This viewless view must be fused into our non-dual insight. When views are firmly established and non-dual experience thoroughly authenticated, a practitioner will see everything as Awareness without conflict in both views and experiences. Not bounded within an inherent and dualistic paradigm, he will not be confused. When the real cause and the empty nature of our pristine awareness are understood, this ‘Emptiness’ view too must be discarded.
Happy CNY!PS: editing using this new forum interface is truly a nightmare.
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Btw Longchen, r u thoroughly comfortable with:
In thinking, always just thought
In seeing, always just seen
In hearing, always just the sound.
The source is seen for what is it. Always so.
