What is the best answer?
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You were in the forest sitting under a tree.A rabbit ran and hide behind you.A minutes later,a hunter with a gun came and ask you,”did you see a rabbit run pass here”.
What is your answer to the hunter?
If the answer is behind you,the rabbit dies.If the answer is the opposite way,you are against the precept.What should i do?I dont use break precept because once broken cannot be mend again.I said offended because it can be repent.
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Originally posted by Canihelpyou02:
You were in the forest sitting under a tree.A rabbit ran and hide behind you.A minutes later,a hunter with a gun came and ask you,”did you see a rabbit run pass here”.
What is your answer to the hunter?
If the answer is behind you,the rabbit dies.If the answer is the opposite way,you are against the precept.What should i do?I dont use break precept because once broken cannot be mend again.I said offended because it can be repent.
Hi I notice that you have quite a lot of questions, like me, lol. Luckily most of the Buddhists here are quite patient and did not come down hard on me when I ask questions that sound as if I'm challenging Buddhist concepts.
The answer which I think I have already mentioned in my own post, is to tell the lie; I think the rabbit went the other way. And the Buddha clearly pointed out that telling such a lie in such circumstances do not constitute breaking the precept of false speech.
Why? Cos the intention is the deciding factor. The Buddha in his previous life as a practising Bodhisattva, told the lie out of compassion for both the rabbit and the hunter. This would instead be a virtuous and compassionate act and hence different from that of wilful lying.
The main thing is, are you, Canihelpyou02, able to make sure that your intention is the same as the Bodhisattva in the story when encountering a similar situation?
If you can, then I salute you. Not only did you not break a precept, you have taken a small step towards Buddhahood.
All the best. :)
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Hi,
one thing we must remember is that the precepts are NOT "commandments" where one is condemned if one breaks them. Precepts are guidelines, and depending on the situation one is in, can be amended, provided on the intention. Like in the above story, the Buddha did not break any precept, because His intention was good for both the rabbit and the hunter.
Gassho
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tell the truth, the rabbit dies.
dun say the truth, the hunter and his family may die of hunger.
so, tell the hunter to kill me. let him choose.
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To: Ah Cek
The hunter and his family wont die of hunger.They have plenty to eat,they have a farm.He is hunting just for hobby.
Kill you,for what,your meat is too salty to eat.More over is consider murder.But human beings kill animal,they said is for human to eat.
Why dont you ask the same question and i help you? Take care brother.
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Originally posted by Spnw07:
Hi I notice that you have quite a lot of questions, like me, lol. Luckily most of the Buddhists here are quite patient and did not come down hard on me when I ask questions that sound as if I'm challenging Buddhist concepts.
The answer which I think I have already mentioned in my own post, is to tell the lie; I think the rabbit went the other way. And the Buddha clearly pointed out that telling such a lie in such circumstances do not constitute breaking the precept of false speech.
Why? Cos the intention is the deciding factor. The Buddha in his previous life as a practising Bodhisattva, told the lie out of compassion for both the rabbit and the hunter. This would instead be a virtuous and compassionate act and hence different from that of wilful lying.
The main thing is, are you, Canihelpyou02, able to make sure that your intention is the same as the Bodhisattva in the story when encountering a similar situation?
If you can, then I salute you. Not only did you not break a precept, you have taken a small step towards Buddhahood.
All the best. :)
A wealthy merchant, who was a disciple of the Buddha, went with a very large caravan of other merchants and his servants to a certain island, to bring back for trade some of the gem stones for which this island was famous. On board ship, on the way back, the merchant learnt that another passenger on the boat intended to kill all the hundreds of people on board, in order to be able to steal the cargo of jewels.
The merchant knew the man, and knew that he was indeed capable of killing all those people, and he wondered what to do about it. In the end, despite the fact that he had taken a vow with the Buddha never to take the life of another being, he had no alternative but to kill the would-be robber.
He was very ashamed of what he had done, and as soon as he returned home he went to the Buddha to confess his bad action. But the Buddha told him he had not done wrong, because his intention had not been to take life, but to save life. Furthermore, since he had in fact saved the lives of hundreds of people, and had saved the robber from the very negative karma of killing hundreds of people and the inevitable consequences of such a bad action, the Buddha explained that the merchant had in fact done a good action.
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Originally posted by Canihelpyou02:
To: Ah Cek
The hunter and his family wont die of hunger.They have plenty to eat,they have a farm.He is hunting just for hobby.
Kill you,for what,your meat is too salty to eat.More over is consider murder.But human beings kill animal,they said is for human to eat.
Why dont you ask the same question and i help you? Take care brother.
I help him ask in behalf can?
You were in the forest sitting under a tree.
A rabbit ran and hide behind you.
A minutes later,a hunter with a gun came and ask you,”did you see a rabbit run pass here”.
What is your answer to the hunter? -
Spnw07
Hi, i am not trying to be funny in here because there are many tall people in here.(kao ren) In here is crouching tiger hidden dragon.
I believe the Dharma is like real gold.Real gold not afraid of fire.The more you debate the truth,it will become clearer.(truth not afraid of fire,a chinese proverb.)
My question put in here is always pointing to some direction.It look stupid at first but it does have direction in life.I am not trying to show off, neither do i get angry over our conversation in here.No anger ,no revenge,we are trying to help each other.
Cheers!
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Originally posted by Canihelpyou02:
Spnw07
Hi, i am not trying to be funny in here because there are many tall people in here.(kao ren) In here is crouching tiger hidden dragon.
I believe the Dharma is like real gold.Real gold not afraid of fire.The more you debate the truth,it will become clearer.(truth not afraid of fire,a chinese proverb.)
My question put in here is always pointing to some direction.It look stupid at first but it does have direction in life.I am not trying to show off, neither do i get angry over our conversation in here.No anger ,no revenge,we are trying to help each other.
Cheers!
Neither am I trying to be funny when I answered your question. I used 'lol' cos I was laughing at myself for having so many questions that people would simply find it simple to tell me to go and do my own research instead of answering me here.
I don't consider your question as stupid, nor do I think you are trying to show off. But it does sound like you feel uncomfortable with the tone of my answer. If that's the case, I apologise.
I answered your question in all seriousness and based on what I have heard or understood so far.
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AEN.
The answer is, the rabbit ran the other way.Save the rabbit and save the hunter.Dont worry about this I, mine & me.They always like to keep the precept pure and go to good place after they die.Kill the I,mine &me,then all the action is for all beings.To save all beings from sufferings.
I once ask a good friend of mine,a buddhist for many many years,this same question.The reply was to say the truth,the rabbit is behind him.He told me he want to keep the precept.I was shocked.
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Originally posted by Canihelpyou02:
AEN.
The answer is, the rabbit ran the other way.Save the rabbit and save the hunter.Dont worry about this I, mine & me.They always like to keep the precept pure and go to good place after they die.Kill the I,mine &me,then all the action is for all beings.To save all beings from sufferings.
Thanks v true..
I once ask a good friend of mine,a buddhist for many many years,this same question.The reply was to say the truth,the rabbit is behind him.He told me he want to keep the precept.I was shocked.
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Spnw07
No need to apologise!
No, no, dont misunderstood me.I like your speech.We are in the same boat.I am encouraging you to ask more question,as there are Kao Ren in here.I am fine with the tone of your answer,really.Just lol,i also do that during the conversation in here.Is o k just relax.I love conversing and discuss with you.Actually,i reply to you jokingly,saying there are crouching tiger hidden dragon in here.
Hope we grow in the Dharma.
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My answer is , I will break my precepts , to save the rabbit
because to save a rabbit who could be a future Buddha
I dun think i wanted to live with the notion of precepts and feel "righteous"
ppl like Ven Fahai in Madam White Snake , in an attempt to catch White Snake ,drown the village below Jinshan temple .That i feel is wrongdoing more than merits.
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but what if the rabbit due to some bad jarma last life have to die this way where by the lord karma need this to happen for this rabbit to clear his bad karma this sinerio if u save the rabbit u r letting this rabbit karma snowball to the next life is this good
for me i will tell the truth n then i will tell this hunter abt y is it no good to kill n if he had to kill the rabbit i will chant for it n i will feel happy as this rabbit had cleared his bad karma by this chance
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Originally posted by kumangal:
but what if the rabbit due to some bad jarma last life have to die this way where by the lord karma need this to happen for this rabbit to clear his bad karma this sinerio if u save the rabbit u r letting this rabbit karma snowball to the next life is this good
for me i will tell the truth n then i will tell this hunter abt y is it no good to kill n if he had to kill the rabbit i will chant for it n i will feel happy as this rabbit had cleared his bad karma by this chance
That is a wrong understanding of karma, and is the false view of Fatalism. Secondly, karma has no judge, so there is no "lord karma". Buddha never taught this way. Karma is also never fated, a rabbit is never fated to be killed, because karma is merely one of the conditions. Only when causes meets condition then something happens. You can be the positive condition to save the rabbit's life.
Please read up what is karma here: http://www.budsas.org/ebud/whatbudbeliev/87.htm
You should never let someone die by telling the truth, and if need be, you should kill the person, as what I posted above. (if lets say he is going to kill 500 other people and there is no other way you can prevent it other than killing him)
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We should be flexible and think about other options.
I will tell the hunter I saw and get hold of the rabbit, it is now mine and ask him to leave.
Come on, he never own the rabbit before, he just saw it and chase it, who he is to ask me to return the rabbit.
If he want to use force, then I will see if I have enough money to buy the rabbit's life.Buddha last time also encountered a similar problem, whereby he found a bird wounded by his cousin devadatta during hunting, he insist not to give out the bird. Finally, the judges in their palace decided that the animal belongs to the one who saved it if it is still alive.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
That is a wrong understanding of karma, and is the false view of Fatalism. Secondly, karma has no judge, so there is no "lord karma". Buddha never taught this way. Karma is also never fated, a rabbit is never fated to be killed, because karma is merely one of the conditions. Only when causes meets condition then something happens. You can be the positive condition to save the rabbit's life.
Please read up what is karma here: http://www.budsas.org/ebud/whatbudbeliev/87.htm
You should never let someone die by telling the truth, and if need be, you should kill the person, as what I posted above. (if lets say he is going to kill 500 other people and there is no other way you can prevent it other than killing him)
There is another story in which the Buddha personally intervened to save a lot of people. He tried to save his clan by blocking an army led by Liu Li Prince (ç�‰ç’ƒçŽ‹å�）but was unable to block after the 3rd attempt.
For beginner buddhists, it is not easy to judge whether killing is the only right way to save lives for a particular desperate situation. The above story about the Buddha is an exception whereby the Bodhisattva has the wisdom to judge and at the same time, some number comparison can be done (kill one, save 500, simple enough right?). But what about say 499 pirates and 500 ship passengers, would you kill 499 pirates to save the passengers? Seriously if I'm such situations, I wouldn't arrive at the decision to kill so easily.
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My answer would be to "tell a lie" . By doing that I save the rabbit from being killed and since I know the intention of the hunter 'to kill', I am trying to stop him from accumulating another bad karma. Hence, I kill 2 birds with a stone.
Unless, it's the fixed karma that the rabbit has to be killed by the said hunter. Nothing we could almost do whether we lie or don't!
So long as my intention is good, nothing else matters.
" Even false words are true if they lead to liberation;
even true words are false if they become the object of attachment." -
Originally posted by fayans:" Even false words are true if they lead to liberation;
even true words are false if they become the object of attachment."
I like the above words.How about kill the hunter, to prevent more animals to be killed and also prevent him to commit more bad karma. I don't know, what you all think?
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i thought a better answer is to tell the hunter the rabbit is behind me. but ask how much would the rabbit fetch? i pay for the rabbit life.?
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I will reply "Do I look like I care where a rabbit went to?"
and the hunter will walk away.
so i'm not actually doing anything wrong
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Originally posted by extrinsic:
i thought a better answer is to tell the hunter the rabbit is behind me. but ask how much would the rabbit fetch? i pay for the rabbit life.?
How abt giving him something more valuable, teaching him the 3rd eye meditation. lol
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Originally posted by extrinsic:
i thought a better answer is to tell the hunter the rabbit is behind me. but ask how much would the rabbit fetch? i pay for the rabbit life.?
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Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:
I will reply "Do I look like I care where a rabbit went to?"
and the hunter will walk away.
so i'm not actually doing anything wrong
also a good answer -
I will reply "Do I look like I care where a rabbit went to?"
I wont reply in this way to a person holding a gun.( boom...... you dead)
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i thought a better answer is to tell the hunter the rabbit is behind me. but ask how much would the rabbit fetch? i pay for the rabbit life.?
The hunter goes behind,boom...........pick up the dead rabbit and left.
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