《天龙八部》

• JitKiat

  2 Apr 08, 18:52

   

  鸠摩智

  鸠摩智æ�¥å¤´ä¸�å°�，他是å��蕃国的护国法王，精通佛法，开å�›è®²ç»�，连大ç�†å›½ä¿�定å¸�也去å�¬è¿‡ï¼Œé—»è€…æ— ä¸�赞å�¹ã€‚但鸠摩智å�ˆä¸�仅仅是说教者，还是一个武林高手。他自称与慕容å�šç»“为知已，曾在一起切磋武功。枯è�£å¤§å¸ˆçš„武功甚妙，但鸠摩智一眼就看出其所å�‚枯禅的æ�¥åŽ†ã€‚凡此ç§�ç§�，皆å�¯è§�鸠摩智确是佛é�“中人。 
  金庸本人信佛，但他在《天龙八部》中屡次让鸠摩智大出洋相，先是让鸠摩智在天龙寺连栽几个跟头，å�Žæ�¥å�ˆåœ¨ç‡•å­�å�žä¸Šé˜¿æœ±çš„当，对å°�丫鬟连连磕头。一路写下去，鸠摩智的å“�行越æ�¥è¶Šå·®ï¼Œä¿�定å¸�说的“æš—ç®—å�·è¢­ï¼Œå�‘鄙无耻”，正好与他所作所为相å�ˆã€‚我开始奇怪金庸的写法，å�Žæ�¥æ‰�明白他的寓æ„�，真正的佛教中人，并ä¸�是å�£å��莲花的鸠摩智之æµ�。 
  鸠摩智对佛ç»�ä¸�是ä¸�精，他的武功也ä¸�能算ä¸�高。他出场时，段誉曾被他的仪容所å�¸å¼•ï¼Œä»–çš„è°ˆå��与举止都显示其人的高雅与庄严。但仪容与武功å�ªæ˜¯ä¸€ä¸ªäººçš„表相。他在少林寺众僧å‰�演示大力金刚拳ã€�般若掌法ã€�摩诃指法，也令玄慈大师仰天长å�¹ã€‚鸠摩智以为众人为他的神功所慑æœ�，就大言ä¸�惭，显出其内心的“è´ªã€�å—”ã€�ç—´”三欲。 
  就类型而言，鸠摩智与慕容å¤�是犯了å�Œæ ·çš„毛病，一个想为å��蕃国争利，一个为兴å¤�大燕èˆ�命，说到底，都是逃脱ä¸�了å��利的引诱。在个性上说，鸠摩智ä¸�å�Šæ…•å®¹å¤�冷é�™é˜´é™©ï¼Œä»–身上多了一点戾气与蛮横。 
  金庸写鸠摩智，是想æ�­ç¤ºè¡¨é‡Œä¸�一的社会现象，鸠摩智言辞高雅，内心粗俗，“金玉其外，败絮其中”，这是一。第二，鸠摩智纵然讲解佛ç»�头头是é�“，但对佛学中的核心å�´ä¸€çª�ä¸�通。因为贪欲之念未ç»�，终究无法æˆ�为一代高僧。鸠摩智å�Žæ�¥åœ¨æž¯äº•ä¸­ä¸§å¤±æ­¦åŠŸï¼Œæ‚²æ�¨äº¤é›†ï¼Œç»ˆäºŽåœ¨å��çœ�中悟到如æ�¥ä½›çš„训诫，去贪ã€�去爱ã€�去å�–ã€�去缠。他将《易筋ç»�》é€�给段誉，回头是岸，泥地æˆ�佛，这æ‰�为弘扬佛教立下大功。 
  大轮明王鸠摩智的故事足å�¯å›žå‘³ã€‚一个人纵然熟知ç�†è®ºï¼Œå�ˆæœ‰æ™ºè°‹ï¼Œä½†ä¸€æ—¦æ²¾ä¸Šéœ¸æ°”，就会å�˜å¾—浅薄无知，å�˜å¾—蔑视众生，å�˜å¾—一æ„�孤行，那么他多年修炼的武艺å�ªä¼šå®³äº†è‡ªèº«ï¼Œè€Œç‹‚妄之心的必然表现便是凶残狰狞，这样的人虽能横行一时，å�´æœ€ç»ˆå¿…然归于失败。 
  世人大�从鸠摩智的泥地�佛认识到人生的真谛。（曹正文）

   

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  è�§è¿œå±±ã€�慕容å�šåœ¨å°‘林寺潜ä¼�三å��余年，肆æ„�阅é��å°‘æž—ç»�技秘集，æ�¥åŽ»è‡ªå¦‚，而玄寂玄慈这些一æµ�高手竟懵然ä¸�觉，使人å�³æ—¶é¢†ç•¥åˆ°è¿™ä¸¤äººçš„高ä¸�å�¯æµ‹ï¼Œè¿™ä½�æ— å��è€�僧一直知é�“他两人的行动ä¼�图，而这两人毫ä¸�觉察，更令人感到这ä½�è€�僧æ‰�是真正的高ä¸�å�¯æµ‹ã€‚少林寺果然是å�§è™Žè—�龙的武林圣地。 
  è¿™ä½�æ— å��è€�僧çª�然现身，主è¦�是è¦�说出一段æ„�义深长的哲ç�†ã€‚è�§è¿œå±±ã€�è�§å³°çˆ¶å­�å�Šæ…•å®¹å�šã€�慕容å¤�父å­�，互相追é€�至è—�ç»�é˜�，斗室相逢，正è¦�把血海深仇，作一了断，彼此正在裂毗相å�‘之际，无å��è€�僧忽然介入，指出è�§è¿œå±±ã€�慕容å�šå�Šé¸ æ‘©æ™ºä¸‰äººï¼Œè‡ªé�“练æˆ�ç»�世武功，其实已ç»�为自己招æ�¥å¤§éš¾ã€‚ 
  ä»–æ��出æ�¥çš„é�“ç�†ï¼Œçœ‹ä¸ŠåŽ»ä¼¼ä¹ŽçŽ„虚得近乎无稽，但细æ€�其实是æž�有æ„�义的。他说，佛门å­�弟学武，乃是在强å�¥èº«ä½“，è¯�法ä¼�魔，修习之时，总是心存慈悲ä»�善之念，若ä¸�是这样，练武一定伤å�Šè‡ªèº«ï¼Œç»ƒçš„越是上乘的武功，便越具这个效果，æ¯�æ—¥ä¸�以慈悲佛法调和化解，则戾气深入è„�腑，越陷越深。 
  其实，ä¸�但武功，任何学识技术也是一样。一个人所学的，总ä¸�å…�å½±å“�别人，而在影å“�别人的过程中，转回æ�¥å½±å“�自己。科学家ã€�医生ã€�商管学家，都是一样。学识越高，越有力é‡�å½±å“�世界，越容易掉入狂妄，若ä¸�以慈悲ä»�慈之念平衡，必然害人害己。 
  “ä¸�存慈悲布施ã€�普渡众生之念，虽然典ç±�淹通，妙辩无ç¢�。å�´ä¸�能消解修习这些上乘武功时所中的戾气，”就是这ç§�æ„�念，把《天龙八部》æ��å�‡è‡³æž�高的境界。无å��è€�僧指出的，ä¸�但是越高武功便越需以慈悲之心化解这个看法，更深的用æ„�是在指出，由å�‚悟佛法而æ�¥çš„慈悲心是最å�¯è´µçš„，武功是下乘得多的东西，å�³ä½¿æœ€ä¸Šæµ�的武功也是。世人ä¸�了解，往往èˆ�本é€�未，但å�¯æƒœçš„是，æ‰�智超å�“之辈如è�§è¿œå±±ã€�慕容å�šå�Šé¸ æ‘©æ™ºï¼Œä¹ŸæŽ‰è¿¸äº†è¿™ä¸ªé™·é˜±ï¼Œæ‰§è¿·ä¸�悟。
  无��僧现身说法，目标就是为他们指点迷津。本�这套��，由什么高僧�者说出�都�以，但由一个无人认识�供人差�的�僧说出，效果�自��。
  最明显的效果是�外�悬疑，使人格外留神，但这�过是表�。更值得留�的是无�僧人对这些大��的轻�淡写。智慧�是供在殿堂�为高人一等的人所宣扬的，而是在日常生活中实践的事，高深佛法，于这�无��僧，就如呼�一样。
  地ä½�高低是ä¸�é‡�è¦�的。事实上，能够看破，地ä½�高或是武功高强也ä¸�妨事。无å��僧人ä¸�是å�•å�ªè¯´è¯´ï¼Œä»–就是身怀ç»�技而å�ˆä¸�当它值得什么的人。他的目标在渡è�§è¿œå±±ã€�慕容å�šäºŒäººï¼Œä»–毫ä¸�在æ„�地让è�§å³°ä¸€æŽŒæŠŠä»–打得胸骨折断，å�£å–·é²œè¡€ã€‚慷慨的èˆ�己为人值得钦佩，毫ä¸�在æ„�çš„èˆ�己为人，就ä¸�是èˆ�己为人那么简å�•ï¼Œå› ä¸ºè¿™ç§�æ€�度已是无人无我，对自身自然更ä¸�é‡�视，这ç§�慈悲心，å�ˆä¸�与一般ä»�善之心å�Œç±»äº†ã€‚ 
  （å�´éœ­ä»ª·é‡‘庸å°�说的男å­�） 

• TWE

  3 Apr 08, 00:30

     I think you watch too much movies and louis cha novells .

• airgrinder

  3 Apr 08, 00:40

  wah!! I love louis cha novels.

  Hmm.. to add on to TS's point, In "return of the condor heros", there is a part when yang guo, xiao longniu and guo xiang encountered yi deng and ci en at the hut on snow mountain. Yi deng also selflessly allow Ci en to attack him, such that he was seriously injured, in hoping Ci en to gain control of his own emotions and hopelessness to seek the light.

• Bodhi hut

  3 Apr 08, 00:51

  There is 天龙八部 in buddhism(�密)fyi, its not the novel from 金庸.

• An Eternal Now

  3 Apr 08, 02:17

  Originally posted by Bodhi hut:

  There is 天龙八部 in buddhism(�密)fyi, its not the novel from 金庸.

  Nope, 天龙八部 does not belong to Tibetan Buddhism (�密), it is found in all traditions of Buddhism whether Theravada, Mahayana or Vajrayana.

• justdoit77

  3 Apr 08, 08:47

  Originally posted by TWE:

     I think you watch too much movies and louis cha novells .

  Yeah. But come to think of it, our life is also like a novel, isn't it?
  If we look at our life like how we read a novel, we can view it a more objective manner, a lot of things can be looked through easily.
  
  Imagine if you are 鸠摩智, don't think you will admit your own mistake so easily, right?

• JitKiat

  3 Apr 08, 08:56

  八部龙天指：一�天，二�龙，三�夜�，四�干闼婆，五�阿修罗，六�迦楼罗，七�紧那罗，八�摩�罗伽
  “天龙八部这八ç§�神é�“精怪，å�„有奇特个性和神通，虽是人间之外的众生，å�´ä¹Ÿæœ‰å°˜ä¸–的欢喜和悲苦。这部å°�说里没有神é�“精怪，å�ªæ˜¯å€Ÿç”¨è¿™ä¸ªä½›ç»�å��è¯�，以象å¾�一些现世人物。” 　 ——金庸《天龙八部·é‡Šå��》 

  在佛教中，å¸�释天是众天神的领袖。乔峰虽出身异æ—�ã€�æ�€äººå¦‚麻，但ä¿�境安民，救天下è‹�生于水ç�«ï¼Œæ­¤æ­£ä¾ ä¹‹å¤§è€…；天人死å‰�有五哀，乔峰正是哀莫大于心死，故八部之“天”é�žä¹”峰莫属。
  段誉出身龙脉，自幼熟读ç»�书，宅心ä»�厚ã€�爱民如å­�，正是一代佛å�›ï¼ŒåŒ¹é…�八部之“é¾™”正得其所；而且段誉曾æœ�莽牯，真是一æ�¡å¥½å¤§æ¯’龙。
  八部众之“迦楼罗”一生以毒龙为食，体内积蓄毒气过多，临死时毒å�‘自焚，状况æž�惨。而慕容å¤�为求å¤�国梦想，æ�€äººæ— æ•°ï¼Œå†¤å­½æ·±é‡�，最å�Žç»ˆäºŽç—´å‘†ï¼Œå½¢å¦‚废人，报应报应ï¼�
  “摩呼罗迦”人身蛇头，是八部众中的大蟒神。阿紫虽容貌å�¯äººï¼Œå¯¹ä¹”峰一往情深，但她性情之怪ã€�用心之毒，皆令人直æ€�蛇蟒。
  “阿修罗”是八部众中最特别的神é�“，男的æž�丑陋，女的å�´æž�美丽，天姿ç»�色，ä¸�染纤尘，æ�°å¦‚惊世脱俗，ä¸�食人间烟ç�«çš„“神仙å§�å§�”王语嫣。
  “夜å�‰”者，æ�‰é¬¼ä¹‹ç¥žï¼Œå®žé¬¼çŽ‹ä¹Ÿã€‚虚竹身æº�少林，å�´æ˜¯å‰�生旧业，é�žæœ¬å¿ƒã€‚å�Šè‡³æŽ¥æŽŒç�µé¹«ï¼ŒæŒ¯è‡‚天山，以宅心神技统领三å��六洞，七å��二岛诸魔，使之弃æ�¶ä»Žå–„，歼敌ä¿�国。å�¯è°“以魔å�‘é�“，善哉虚竹ï¼�
  “紧那罗”在梵语中为“人é�žäºº”之æ„�。他形状和人一样，但头上生一å�ªè§’，善于歌舞，香气四溢，是å¸�释天的ä¹�神，木婉清论香无人过之，正得其所。
  “乾达婆”是æœ�ä¾�å¸�释天的ä¹�神，梵语为“å�˜å¹»èŽ«æµ‹”，阿朱精通音律，善易容之术，人所难辨，且为乔峰（å¸�释天）生死爱侣，当居此ä½�。

  Not my opinion, source is from Internet ...

• Bodhi hut

  3 Apr 08, 10:42

  I saw one book on 天龙八部 which is sold in people park complex, the pictorial illustration inside is very much in �密, perhaps someone can produce more information on 天龙八部 in the buddhism context which what AEN said, it is among the three school of thought, and possible provide under the three main school context, I am quite interested to know.

   

  Thanks

• JitKiat

  3 Apr 08, 11:38

  From Baidu:

        “天龙八部”，å�ˆç§°ä¸º“龙神八部”ã€�“八部众”，这些å��è¯�出于佛ç»�。许多大乘佛ç»�å�™è¿°ä½›å�‘诸è�©è�¨ã€�比丘等说法时，常有天龙八部å�‚与å�¬æ³•ã€‚如《法å�Žç»�：æ��婆达多å“�》：“天龙八部ã€�人与é�žäººï¼Œçš†é�¥è§�彼龙女æˆ�ä½›”

• rokkie

  3 Apr 08, 13:29

  鸠摩智就是鸠摩罗识。he is a great man ,translate a lot of buddhism sutra to chinese.I don't know why tianlongbabu portray him so bad

• JitKiat

  3 Apr 08, 14:13

  鸠摩智执著武功， 幕容父�执著�国， 段正淳执著女色， �峰父�执著�仇， 天山童姥等执著爱情。

  鸠摩智，幕容�，�远山最�能看破放下�是幸�的。

   

• rokkie

  3 Apr 08, 14:18

  yes ,it's easy to say that from buddhist point of view,but u know what ,not everyone accept buddhism so easily.All of them are superior as a swordman,they choose their choice ,and face their result

• JitKiat

  3 Apr 08, 14:57

  幕容�，�远山，鸠摩智当在�世已接触佛法。 今生能接触佛法而起信，愿， 行是宿世善根善缘呀。

• yamizi

  4 Apr 08, 08:37

  Originally posted by JitKiat:

  幕容�，�远山，鸠摩智当在�世已接触佛法。 今生能接触佛法而起信，愿，行是宿世善根善缘呀。

  The article that you had put to describe 鸠摩智 (aka 鸠摩罗识 or Kumarajiva) is an introduction of the characters that appear in the novel itself. It may not be historically accurate.

  Kumarajiva may just ended up as just another reowned sutra translator, not necessary a highly skilled martial arts exponent.

  幕容�，�远山 are fictional characters.

  Not sure what's your aim in putting this up but it will be greatly appreciate not to mix up facts and fictions.

  Regards.

• JitKiat

  4 Apr 08, 11:34

  Comment about 鸠摩智 as a fictional character in 天龙八部 only... it is nothing to do with the translator Kumarajiva.
  

• justdoit77

  4 Apr 08, 15:06

  Originally posted by JitKiat:

  Comment about 鸠摩智 as a fictional character in 天龙八部 only... it is nothing to do with the translator Kumarajiva.
  

  To be fair, the author of this fiction never say 鸠摩智 is 鸠摩罗识.
  Just that their name, religion and nationality is very similar, that's all.
  Anyway, 鸠摩智 has later on back on the spiritual path again, so even if 金庸 refer them to the same person,  it doesn't matter.

• yamizi

  4 Apr 08, 17:46

  Originally posted by justdoit77:

  To be fair, the author of this fiction never say 鸠摩智 is 鸠摩罗识.
  Just that their name, religion and nationality is very similar, that's all.
  Anyway, 鸠摩智 has later on back on the spiritual path again, so even if 金庸 refer them to the same person,  it doesn't matter.

  I'm okay if 金庸 actually refering to the same person. But then I hope buddhists won't take fiction as fact to tell people that he used to attached to martial arts, etc then eventually back to spiritual path.

   

  If it happened that 鸠摩智 and 鸠摩罗识 to be the same person, then we are doing a disservice in not knowing the facts correctly.

  Regards.

• Ed11790

  4 Apr 08, 21:07

  this was a very cool show!
• yamizi

  4 Apr 08, 22:55

  Originally posted by Ed11790:

  this was a very cool show!

  Of course!!! Have 刘亦�!!! Actually she quite pity thing. She was only 16 or 17
  while filimg this drama and in one of the scene she was actually molested. She complained to the director but nothing was done...sighs...

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=eqICyGwXNGs

• Isis

  4 Apr 08, 22:58

  From wiki,

  Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils (traditional Chinese: 天é¾�八部; simplified Chinese: 天龙八部; pinyin: TiÄ�n Lóng BÄ� Bù) is a long wuxia novel written by Jinyong.

  It was originally published in 1963, and has since spawned several movies and television serials in both Mainland China and Hong Kong. The title of the novel has been a challenge for translators for years. It is based on the eight races of no-human entities described in Buddhist cosmology. In Buddhism, even though these demi-gods are ranked higher than humanity, they are still bound to the samsara by their own passions and desires. It is said that Jinyong originally modelled each major character after one of the Races. (eg. Qiao Feng obviously represents the Deva, due to his fall from grace, much like Indra in the Indian legends) But as he wrote on, the complexity of the story made it impossible for such a simplistic mapping. Today, the topic of which character corresponds to which Race is still an interesting matter of discussion among fans and readers.