Any Comments On Mr. Xiao Pingshi?

• Uncreated

  3 Jun 08, 13:30

  Would love to hear some comments here about him and his

  books.

  Despite the enormous controversy swirling around him,I still

  calmly listen to both camps,and validate their views with the

  canonical texts,chiefly from from www. cbeta.org.

  My humble opinion is that both camps could be arguing over

  words rather than the realities behind the words.The latter

  might turn out to be the same.

  Now mulling over his"zheng ru lai zang" and his comments on the

  differences between "jie tuo dao" and "pu ti dao".

  There seems to be a great deal of animosity in other forums

  when it comes to him,especially after he he appeared to

  "attack" Venearable Yin Shun.Is he really "attacking" him?

  We should not get so easily agitated over seemingly pseudo-

  Buddhist matters,but read them calmly and objectively,then

  refute them(if they are erroneous)with evidence from the Canon.

  No attacks on the person,but critical assessment on his/her views.

• bohiruci

  3 Jun 08, 16:44

  Try not to read his book .

  He claim he is realised but he have yet to show the realised nature of Prajnaparamita

   

  He make attacks towards so many established tradition and its becoming very ugly.

   

  Only read realised teacher who write calm words

   

   

• An Eternal Now

  3 Jun 08, 20:15

  Oh I love controversy! (ego at work... lol) hope such ppl dont create too much karma though.
  
  Anyway could you elaborate on what the debate is all about?

  Can recommend some articles by him too... thanks.

• An Eternal Now

  3 Jun 08, 20:17

  Originally posted by bohiruci:

  Try not to read his book .

  He claim he is realised but he have yet to show the realised nature of Prajnaparamita

   

  He make attacks towards so many established tradition and its becoming very ugly.

   

  Only read realised teacher who write calm words

   

   

  Does he claim enlightenment? Or just theoretical understanding.

  Maybe you can refer some articles for us also...

• An Eternal Now

  3 Jun 08, 20:18

  Originally posted by Uncreated:

  Would love to hear some comments here about him and his

  books.

  Despite the enormous controversy swirling around him,I still

  calmly listen to both camps,and validate their views with the

  canonical texts,chiefly from from www. cbeta.org.

  My humble opinion is that both camps could be arguing over

  words rather than the realities behind the words.The latter

  might turn out to be the same.

  Now mulling over his"zheng ru lai zang" and his comments on the

  differences between "jie tuo dao" and "pu ti dao".

  There seems to be a great deal of animosity in other forums

  when it comes to him,especially after he he appeared to

  "attack" Venearable Yin Shun.Is he really "attacking" him?

  We should not get so easily agitated over seemingly pseudo-

  Buddhist matters,but read them calmly and objectively,then

  refute them(if they are erroneous)with evidence from the Canon.

  No attacks on the person,but critical assessment on his/her views.

  Can you pls elaborate what the mulling is about:

  "Now mulling over his"zheng ru lai zang" and his comments on the

  differences between "jie tuo dao" and "pu ti dao"."

• Uncreated

  4 Jun 08, 03:06

  One reference here:

   

   

  http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/chitin-00/

   

     Just read with an open mind.All readers please

  comment after reading,but try to not to disparage him,only point out where he went wrong according to the Canon.

• bohiruci

  4 Jun 08, 07:33

  I have a headache in the past after reading xiao pingshi book

  he really know how to scold people in writing

  the more he scold the more people will not believe him

  REMEMBER BUDDHA of all AEONS SMILE ,not FROWN!

  How can heart be so hard ,to show signs of realisation

  If realisation is by words ,then Stephen Hawking would be Buddha

  just like what Shurangama sutra says "Wrongfully using sand to cook as rice .After aeons later, sand is still sand and never rice ."

  Practice must be in the most gentle ,loving kindness writing as a realised master

  to assert "I am right " is already an Ego sickness at Play...

  I want all forummer in Wisdom Bliss to reflect for a while .

  Whats the point of winning an argument in writing and in speech ?

  its all plain empty Ego .

  With the "I" ,how to see the selfless nature of Bodhisattva ?????

   

   

   

• Display Name

  4 Jun 08, 09:42

  Got so many orthodox buddhist book to read, why bother to read a controversy one.
  Even if 95% of what he said is true, 5% is wrong. Are we able to identify that 5% and still respect the other 95%? Better be careful.

• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 11:40

  Hi Uncreated, the traditional Chinese is giving me a headache... I come from a generation that isn't used to traditional chinese... (i'm 18 right now) so I have some problems with that.

  Regarding Mr Xiao Pingshi's criticism of the master in the article, I really don't know the master and don't know the teachings, so I cannot make any comments at all... it could be entirely possible that Mr Xiao Pingshi completely mistaken the master's teachings.

  You know, there are a couple of understandings of Alaya Consciousness... even among the sutras... so by seeing this we can know that the teachings are expedient means and is spoken depending on the audience's level of understanding, to take one view as right and another wrong is to miss the essence.

  But, when he said that the master holds an eternalist view of the Mind... it reminds me that a few famous Ajahns in the Thai Forest Tradition also holds an eternalist view of the Mind. Please understand that I'm not refering to the master that Mr. Xiao Pingshi is talking about, it's a completely different thing I just remembered.

  These Ajahns have certain meditative experience of the pure I AMness, and mistaken Mind as the Upanishadic [hindu scriptures] understanding of the Atman... holding a subtle eternalist view. They see it that Citta is an unborn and undying entity that experiences reincarnation, it's like the view of an Eternal Witness... It is very subtle... there is a moderator, a Theravada monk, in E-Sangha who is criticising these masters' teachings. He also compared with the Upanishads and provided quotes from the Suttas to support his statements and the Buddhist view of the matter.

  Of course it received lots of counter-attacks and unhappiness... but the monk has his points... btw the Ajahns in question are very very famous... I actually read their teachings and find them to be quite good (apart from the problem I mentioned).

  The thing about the forest tradition is that they overemphasized the personal experience of the master over the scriptures teachings... so they emphasize more on the master's authority as an enlightened being, but the sutras contains many teachings that helps clarify the subtleties of our nature that will be missed and misunderstood without a grasp of the teachings.

  Update: Please understand I am making an over-generalized statement about the Thai Forest Tradition and have no intention of criticizing it as a whole... the tradition has come out with many highly-enlightened meditators and practitioners.

  Also, there is a recent development in the Thai Forest Tradition that sees the importance of understanding Buddha's teachings as well (and I mean reading and understanding the teachings of the Suttas...)
  

• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 11:53

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Store_consciousness

• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 13:07

  BTW can someone translate or at least explain what is Mr Xiao Pingshi's arguments on the web URL. Thanks :)

• cycle

  4 Jun 08, 14:15

  Originally posted by Uncreated:

  Would love to hear some comments here about him and his

  books.

  Despite the enormous controversy swirling around him,I still

  calmly listen to both camps,and validate their views with the

  canonical texts,chiefly from from www. cbeta.org.

  My humble opinion is that both camps could be arguing over

  words rather than the realities behind the words.The latter

  might turn out to be the same.

  Now mulling over his"zheng ru lai zang" and his comments on the

  differences between "jie tuo dao" and "pu ti dao".

  There seems to be a great deal of animosity in other forums

  when it comes to him,especially after he he appeared to

  "attack" Venearable Yin Shun.Is he really "attacking" him?

  We should not get so easily agitated over seemingly pseudo-

  Buddhist matters,but read them calmly and objectively,then

  refute them(if they are erroneous)with evidence from the Canon.

  No attacks on the person,but critical assessment on his/her views.

  
  What is 'zheng ru lai zhang'? What is ' jie tuo dao' ? What is 'pu ti tao'?

  Except the rare few, most of us don't really understand. So we are in actual fact can't really differentiate what is right or wrong, or which is of higher level than the other, or who is more versed in Dharma etc. We must admit this point before we can go any futher. As for Mr Xiao, no comments.

  I think we must not forget to always go back to the right track ie. The Four Noble Truths, The Eight Fold Paths, then practise, pratise, and practise. When we have diligently practised the path, we will reach the stage where we don't even have to come to this point of assessing Mr Xiao comments or works anymore. So in this regard i agree with Display Name, ie there are so many orthodox dharma books around, start from there. Time is precious.

   This is indeed Dharma Ending age, there are many theories, comments, arguments, challenges whatsoever everywhere you turn. How many are right views? How much can we digest? How wise are we to have proper discernment? Once we admit that we are no good in any, then we can improve as we will be careful...and we will remind ourselves to stick to the the path, then practise, practise, and practise.

   

   

• Bodhi hut

  4 Jun 08, 15:23

   

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• Bodhi hut

  4 Jun 08, 15:30

  Originally posted by Bodhi hut:

   

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  阿难。修��者永断五辛。是则�为第一增进修行�次。

   

  阿难，修���的行者，一定�永远断�五辛，这就是第一步的修行�次。

   

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• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 15:30

  Originally posted by Bodhi hut:

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  Well said!

  I also want to add something. By Buddha :)

  
  Kinds of speech to be avoided by contemplatives
  
  "Whereas some priests and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to talking about lowly topics such as these -- talking about kings, robbers, ministers of state; armies, alarms, and battles; food and drink; clothing, furniture, garlands, and scents; relatives; vehicles; villages, towns, cities, the countryside; women and heroes; the gossip of the street and the well; tales of the dead; tales of diversity [philosophical discussions of the past and future], the creation of the world and of the sea, and talk of whether things exist or not -- he abstains from talking about lowly topics such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue.
  
  "Whereas some priests and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to debates such as these -- 'You understand this doctrine and discipline? I'm the one who understands this doctrine and discipline. How could you understand this doctrine and discipline? You're practicing wrongly. I'm practicing rightly. I'm being consistent. You're not. What should be said first you said last. What should be said last you said first. What you took so long to think out has been refuted. Your doctrine has been overthrown. You're defeated. Go and try to salvage your doctrine; extricate yourself if you can!' -- he abstains from debates such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue."
  
  -- DN 2
  
  Ten wholesome topics of conversation
  
  "There are these ten topics of [proper] conversation. Which ten? Talk on modesty, on contentment, on seclusion, on non-entanglement, on arousing persistence, on virtue, on concentration, on discernment, on release, and on the knowledge & vision of release. These are the ten topics of conversation. If you were to engage repeatedly in these ten topics of conversation, you would outshine even the sun & moon, so mighty, so powerful -- to say nothing of the wanderers of other sects."
  
  -- AN X.69

• rokkie

  4 Jun 08, 15:33

  http://www.shijian.org/html/2007-01/7347p8.htm

  this website u can get a gimpls of the debate between xiao pingshi and the tibetan buddhist

• Bodhi hut

  4 Jun 08, 15:40

  Originally posted by rokkie:

  http://www.shijian.org/html/2007-01/7347p8.htm

  this website u can get a gimpls of the debate between xiao pingshi and the tibetan buddhist

  
  This kind of argumentative better not see..for my cultivation standard i know i would not want to see such things..because once I see, I get to differentiate and get confuse..so leave it alone..

   

  Dharma is not for debating..its sharing..who win now not important, important is the person will he be able to win himself in the end..

• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 15:47

  Originally posted by Bodhi hut:

  
  This kind of argumentative better not see..for my cultivation standard i know i would not want to see such things..because once I see, I get to differentiate and get confuse..so leave it alone..

   

  Dharma is not for debating..its sharing..who win now not important, important is the person will he be able to win himself in the end..

  Good advise!

  Dharma is not found in debating, in words, or in concepts.

  Rest fully and mindful and see for yourself... dharma is exhibited in every moment.

• rokkie

  4 Jun 08, 16:26

  Originally posted by Bodhi hut:

  
  This kind of argumentative better not see..for my cultivation standard i know i would not want to see such things..because once I see, I get to differentiate and get confuse..so leave it alone..

   

  Dharma is not for debating..its sharing..who win now not important, important is the person will he be able to win himself in the end..

  in fact in tibetan tradition ,dharma is hotly debate among the monk,in the afternoon to sun set.But a proper debate should with a premise which is 清净心.Like xiao pingshi,he is a �闻沙门.He found some rediculous tradition in his own institutions.Dreaming ,he think what's he dreamt is true,and he claimed he have been a guru in a school of tibetan buddhism,and he believe it's true.

  Buddhism don't not afraid of debate because �越辩越明.

• rokkie

  4 Jun 08, 16:29

  his basically founding  points is that all the school of tibetan buddhism fall in both eternalism and nihilism.He think he is the true follower of the nagarjuna 's middle way thinking ,and the tibetan buddhism are fall into 应æˆ�中观,which is inferior.

• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 16:30

  Originally posted by rokkie:

  in fact in tibetan tradition ,dharma is hotly debate among the monk,in the afternoon to sun set.But a proper debate should with a premise which is 清净心.Like xiao pingshi,he is a �闻沙门.He found some rediculous tradition in his own institutions.Dreaming ,he think what's he dreamt is true,and he claimed he have been a guru in a school of tibetan buddhism,and he believe it's true.

  Buddhism don't not afraid of debate because �越辩越明.

  Debate is not a problem, addiction to debate is. :)

• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 16:31

  Originally posted by rokkie:

  his basically founding  points is that all the school of tibetan buddhism fall in both eternalism and nihilism.He think he is the true follower of the nagarjuna 's middle way thinking ,and the tibetan buddhism are fall into 应æˆ�中观,which is inferior.

  His ego must be damn big... lol

  But who am I to judge anyway

• rokkie

  4 Jun 08, 16:35

  his name is�平实 a taiwannese,like a old saying ,有师法隆积.无师法隆性,because he basically self learning,so he think whatever come into his mind is right.

• An Eternal Now

  4 Jun 08, 16:36

  Hui-neng said, 下下人有上上智，上上人有没�智

• rokkie

  4 Jun 08, 16:39

  Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

  Hui-neng said, 下下人有上上智，上上人有没�智

  
  he should be a 下下人,但没有 上上智,but i learn something in the debate